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  1. I feel Rhaegar and Lyanna was a love story - atleast by the time they concieved Jon until the end. I wouldn't really bet it was love at the time of Harrenhal or the kidnapping though. Sure it'll end up like some Shakesperean tragic love story, but its not like you need to like that. Plenty of other GRRM love stories are Shakespearen types to, and he makes them out to be the best love stories ever - for example Drogo and Dany. It started with her being forcefully wed to him, and raped for a time afterwards, but they eventually come to fall in love. So not your exact fairy tale love story, and not many readers like it either - but we choose to accept it for the sake of the story, and for Dany's character in general. That's probably what will happen with Rhaegar and Lyanna - the outcome of it will be the most saddest, tragic love story ever told in ASOIAF (based on what info we already have and coz of GRRM's well known weird story fetishes). And so what if no one likes this version? Readers really have a hard time seperating bias and likes from just accepting a characters personality or storyline, and this really affects the readers outlook in general I feel. About why Rhaegar didn't take Lyanna to Kings Landing or Dragonstone or any other castle: well he couldn't. A castle is where people can talk and find out info from. Rhaegar would have wanted Lyanna to stay hidden, so neither Robert nor Aerys can find her. He should take her to an isolated place with harder access where a). Neither the loyalists nor the rebels can find her to use as a political tool and b). Where Lyanna's pregnancy can stay unknown and hidden from everyone...until Rhaegar removes both obstacles (Robert at the trident and Aerys from the throne) so Lyanna can safely come out with a baby that does not get killed. But ofcourse several things went wrong with this: someone must have got wind of Rhaegar being the one to disappear with Lyanna and told Brandon about it, Brandon stormed into the red keep committing treason and Aerys killed both Brandon and Rickard. Which just reaffirms the point that the war was never about Lyanna - even if she comes out and says she's alive and well to her family, Brandon will still storm to the red keep and commit treason. No one would have cared what dear Lyanna wanted. Overall, a war was happening even if Rhaegar and Lyanna didn't disappear...because Westeros was just waiting to explode with Aerys as the unexploded bomb.
  2. I had the impression Barbery was angry because Cat stole her chances of becoming lady of Winterfell. Even if Brandon and Cat happened, Barbery would still be angry on Cat because Cat gets to be lady of Winterfell (and has Brandon as a bonus). Probably Barbery's father would try and get her married off to Ned. But would that be happy for her? Probably not, because she wouldn't be lady of Winterfell and she would have to watch Brandon being husband to Cat. The only scenario in where she would want to wed Ned is when Brandon was dead and Ned was an unmarried Lord of Winterfell himself. But to bad on her that Cat got Ned as a back up. Yes I hope so to - atleast then we can find out if it was Brandon + Ashara or Ned + Ashara. I'm leaning a bit more on Brandon being the one...since Ned never makes mention of Ashara or her stillborn girl in his POV's. Which he should have done if he had a real relationship with her and he fathered her stillborn daughter. But you know, he doesn't at all - and that's what gets to me.
  3. That's not how it works. Naming rules in this series only allows children of nobles to take their father's name, not the mothers. The only exception for this if the father was low born, then the children would take the mothers name as the mother herself would have been more highborn (and therefore having more power/authority) than the father. but this was not the case for Joff, Myrcella and Tommen - their father is highborn (and King), so laws and society rules meant that they must take their father's name. If Tommen one day decides to take the Lannister name, who's going to stop Joffrey from taking the Lannister name to simply because he prefers it over being Baratheon? Joff could had just used the lame excuse of 'well my brothers doing it isn't he?' and no one would have opposed him as he would have been king. And to everyone else, Cersei's kids taking the Lannister name would actually be more proof that her kids are not Robert's, since it's quite clear that her kids (well atleast Tommen) aren't even Baratheon in name. That just wouldn't do for court and society - the Baratheon's are on the throne and are in power of the seven kingdoms, so all of Robert's 'kids' need to take the Baratheon name as a representation of the house, parentage, the crown, etc. According to inheritance laws, Tommen as a second son would be getting Dragonstone or Storms End either once he's married, comes of age or has enough power to do so. The same laws also put Tywin's heir as Tyrion, as a second son can also inherit once the first son has reannounced his claim. As of AGOT, Tyrion is the legal heir of Casterly Rock - which would have been clear knowledge to everyone in the realm. This wouldn't have even been a problem for Robert as he had no enemity or prejudice against Tyrion, so he would have been fine with Tyrion becoming Lord of CR after Tywin. So putting this aside, it means Tommen wasn't getting CR, and would have been staying a Baratheon in any scenario. The only way Tommen can become heir was if Tyrion and all his line were dead - which is very unlikely to happen in any way. If it did, it meant it would have come to Tommen and under house Baratheon, as Tommen would have also been a Baratheon in name...which admit it, you can't see Tywin allowing that.
  4. Jon died but is still able to bleed, breath, sleep, eat, etc. If he didn't have a beating heart, he wouldn't be able to do none of the listed above. So seeing as he can do everything else just like before his death, his fertility must be the same to. Plus, they've mentioned Jon's future potential children...which is a clear foreshadowing he'll be having children of his own in the future, and with Dany of course.
  5. The long roundabout way in the connection being made by looks goes like this: Lyanna > Arya > Jon > Ned So Ned looks like Jon, who looks like Arya, who looks like Lyanna. Still confusing because whilst all the others are being described as good looking (even by opposing sides), Ned wasn't paticularly handsome or comely. Just decent looking, which isn't handsome.
  6. Technically, Jon would be a fire Wight, since he was brought back by the fire God, the Lord of the light. You forget Dany is sort of undead to, since she's fire proof in the show. So fireproof Dany pregnant with fire Wight Jon's child. Yeah, I can see that working without Dany dying. if you talk about genetically - then that also wouldn't be a huge problem, because Jon and Dany are only estimated to share 46% of genes together. Which compared to Jaime and Cersei, is good.
  7. Book reader here - even in the books it seems very foreshadowed that they have to end up together. After learning about R+L=J, Jon and Dany become the last two Targearyens who could carry on the Targearyen lineage and if they marry, it would also be solving the inheritance issues it would cause if they don't. There's a reason why GRRM makes the last two Targearyen's alive a male and the other female - and marrying and reproducing is why. Dany does call herself 'Dany' even in the books. I think even GRRM gets tired of writing 'Daenearys' in every damn sentence, so he made up the shortened version of 'Dany.' It's good because I always find 5 different spelling variations for Daenearys, but no one can spell Dany wrong.
  8. Bran can show how powerful he is if he wargs into Viserion, who is now wightified. Warging into Rhaegal would just be like warging into any other animal, which we know Bran can do anyway. Whereas if Bran warns Viserion, it would be a huge power change for him. And Jon riding Rhaegal would be the factor convincing everyone of R+L=J, when Sam Sam and Bran attempt to prove it.
  9. Well actually that's not quite true. The only family member who Lyanna is described as looking like is Arya. Not Ned. Lyanna is described as being an 'ugly duckling' in her childhood years like Arya is - but as soon as she hits her teens, she becomes more and more beautiful, like Arya is now. Same with Jon, he seems to be described as more and more handsome, or 'pretty' to be exact in each book. Whereas Ned isn't described like this - Ned is just 'homely,' which is decent looks but not near handsome or attractive. By comparison, Ned's brother Brandon was the handsome one.
  10. ^ this. Henry VIII only made Mary and Elizabeth bastards to get back at their mothers whilst having them divorced/beheaded. It wasn't because of the divorce or annulment itself. If it was, then he wouldn't have been able to legitimise them again later...with just a piece of paper. And just reading up about the other annulemnt under the Catholic Church makes things a lot easier. King Louis and Eleanor of Aquitaine were married and had 2 daughters. However they had a unhappy marriage and both of them decided to have the marriage annulled, but they did not make their daughter bastards whilst doing so. It seems as if they could have chosen if they wanted to or not - but they chose not to. Eleanor and Loius both went on to marry other people, and no one had a problem with it - it was that easy. Rhaegar and Elia's situation could have been like this to. People assume too much when finding out Rhaegar had an annulment. This seems to automatically make him a jerk because he 'abandoned' Elia and his kids and ran off with Lynanna because he was 'prophecy obsessed.' Except it's more likely Elia agreed - because if she decided to stay in the marriage, she would have been obliged to give Rhaegar another kid because of prophecy/inheritance reasons...which she couldn't do. Then people would have regarded Rhaegar as a jerk for impregnanting Elia and killing her because of it. This scenario of annulment and taking another wife would be much better, and he would actually be doing Elia a favour by doing so. And anyway, the books could always go with the polygamy route - so who knows? People are making wild assumptions on Rhaegar's annulment and Elia's feelings and how big of a hypocrite Lyanna was - except this doesn't get them anywhere because a). Everyone seems to see facts and theories in a different light and b). We are 2 WHOLE books short of evidence, so why are such personal opinions on R+L being formed now?
  11. Woah that's a lot of assumptions you have made there. Firstly, the marriage in the books is very likely going to be different than the show. The books have the easier option of Polygamy, but the show are only going to take the easier option of annulment. So in the books, if Rhaegar takes the polygamy route, he would technically not be abandoning Elia or his other two kids. and even if he had an annulment - how can you assume the kids would become bastards? In real life history, an annulment means that the kids become bastards if you annul a marriage with your spouse. But GRRM doesn't seem to follow this - the only mention he makes of annulment is Robert and Cersei's marriage. And that would only have meant Cersei wouldn't have been Robert's legal wife anymore, not that their kids would become bastards. Same with Rhaegar and Elia - if he annuls their marriage, it would only mean they aren't legally married anymore...but their kids would still be in line for the throne. They would just be joined with any other kids Lyanna gives Rhaegar. you have also assumed that Elia wanted to stay married to Rhaegar, when evidence says she probably wouldn't have wanted to. She wasn't even in love with him, and she became barren after giving birth to Aegon. A huge negative because Rhaegar needed another son. So what's wrong if she decides to have the marriage annulled? It's good for her as she now doesn't have to die to give birth to another kid, and she can also go back to Dorne. I also don't know how you seem to have gotten that idea of Rhaegar taking his first sons name and giving it to Jon. It's a lot more likely that Jon's real name is Aemon or Jaehearys. I'm not one of those 'who don't care' about Elia and her kids, but you just seem to have taken a huge leap and 'confirmed' Rhaegar as some sort of douche just because he had his marriage annulled. In reality, it's a lot more likely that it was the wish of all three involved.
  12. I'm a show watcher (as well as a book one) and after watching the recent episode it indeed seems as if they gone through with the 'true king' cliche. Ah yes, sorry. I didn't pick up that mention of Cats own chambers. The show certainly do not seem to go that way though, so it makes it confusing if you need to compare it to real life history or anything.
  13. Show watcher? If you've watched the recent episode then you would likely know by now that your R+E theory has been wrong.
  14. But as we see for other couples in the story, they do NOT sleep in different chambers/beds. They only sleep apart if they have problems or difficulties in between them. Having sex is a whole different matter - it can mean that some of them visit each other to have sex, instead of sleeping in one bed. Whilst others share a bed and chamber together instead, so they don't have to visit each other. Also, the AWOAIF specificly states when a couple do and do not have sex, and if they sleep in one bed or not - e.g: Aerys/Rhaella slept apart but he visited her occasionally, and this was perhaps the same case for Aegon/Naerys. Aegon/Haelena used to sleep together in one bed and shared a chamber to have sex, but had stopped sharing either of these when she became mad. Even Robert/Cersei used to sleep together in one bed, and this wasn't always just to have sex. Ned/Cat shared one bed and one chamber, and there isn't any mention of them visiting each other.
  15. How is Jon being the true heir/King cliche? This is a fantasy medieval story, so all cliches fit right in here. And anyway, we don't yet know if GRRM will break this cliche or not - he did seem to break his other fairytale cliche, which was Robert's rebellion.