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What is Varys up to?

The show makes it look like he suggested the Sansa/Loras match. Wouldn't a Tyrell-Stark alliance work against his plans? If the Tyrells are allied with the Lannisters and the Starks, then wouldn't that make it harder for Aegon to conquer?

Unless he knows that the Lannisters will find out about the Tyrell plans and marry Sansa to Tyrion instead, which would somehow benefit Aegon. That is some next level shit right there if true.

Edit: Nevermind, there's already a thread on this in this forum.

- Jaime's opening scene made me sad. I get very :unsure: when proud characters get broken down. I don't think Brienne was being sexist; I think she was just trying to say something that would piss him off.

The best part was when Jaime was fighting in the mud and he dropped his sword. Then he went to pick it up with his stump and was like, "Fuck, I don't have a hand."

I hope not. I know that is one of the major questions in this show, but the PW episode 10 feels too contrived. My money would be on ep 3 or 4 of next season. But then again, I usually lose my bets so you're probably right. @#$% :)

I don't see the Purple Wedding fitting in the final episode. When would the reactions to the Red Wedding take place? On the 15th course of Dornish Fire Peppers?

Natalie was so good in the Tudors and perfect for this role. Couldn't have found better casting.

She really is great.

Agree with you. Besides, Brienne has trained almost all her life with Ser Goodwin, the master-at-arms of her castle.

Training all her life with Ser Goodwin is just a plot contrivance in order to deflect from the illogical. She still would likely get crushed by an average swordsman if it was real life.

And just out of curiosity, what about Arya do you find unrealistic? I'm not criticising that, and if you can give me a reason why you find her unrealistic it would help your argument a little. I find her to be realistic, but I'm not a 12 year old girl so I'm not really entitled to make that call.

Actually, Arya is my second favorite character; and I'm even less of an authority on whether Arya's internal monologue is realistic since I'm not even a girl. Arya is unrealistic because there is no way that Arya would have survived for that long on her own during a bloody war. It's a plot contrivance that's written well.

Anyways, I don't think realism is important. Realism exists at the expense of plot.

What, is he in Teach for America now?

So what's more realistic: Ros being able to read or Brienne being one of the best warriors in the world?

I loved it. How they handled Dany's scene was much better than the books. In writing it felt too much like thievery how she took the Unsullied and got her dragon back. Here on screen there's so much open contempt that I totally buy the idea that she says "fuck it" and attacks. Still doesn't explain the fact that no slave city would allow trained warriors that could rebel against them.

I wish they showed the trial by combat but there's always next episode. Theon saying he made the wrong choice with Winterfell was a bit weird since we don't know if book Theon missed Ned as his "real" father. But whatever.

I don't know if I agree. Book Theon definitely remorses over his decision to betray the Starks. He even says to himself that he wishes he died fighting with Robb at the Red Wedding. And there definitely more in the crypt scene as well.

Ros is not a high class whore, just a common one from the North.

And she's been with Littlefinger for over a year. Not enough time to learn how to read?

Arya and Brienne are quite realistic. Have you never known any Tomboys in your life?

Exactly they cycle through whores in the books, because no one whore is able to gain any prominence in Westeros due to the profession being looked down upon. Anyone who uses whores does not respect them, or casts them aside when they are no longer wanted. It shows the lack of empathy the characters have for women who have lived hard lives, rather than showing how anyone can make a name for themselves in Westeros as long as they're willing to get naked.

Brienne is akin to having a real life woman be able to beat up Anderson Silva in a fight. Not gonna happen. The best woman MMA fighter, Ronda Rousey, wouldn't be able to beat a single male professional MMA fighter. And what's so unrealistic about prostitutes being able to read and write? There are bound to be high class whores, just like there are in real life. There were many in history.

Arya is a tomboy; and, tomboys are real. But that doesn't make her character realistic. There are definitely arguments to be made against Ros. But realism isn't one of them.

I don't think the level of realism when measured against the real world is an important criterion in the books; and thus, it shouldn't be an important criterion in the tv show either. As long as they are realistic when it pertains to the world that GRRM created, then it's fine. And in a world with characters like Lyanna, the Wolf Maidens of Winterfell and the Sand Snakes, Arya is fine. But so is Ros. She can exist because there are other smart women in her world.

Um, no. Ros is awful and a plot device for flat-out lazy writing. She is completely unrealistic for a woman of "those times" and her whole double-agent role is ludicrous. Her "moving up in the world" as Littlefinger's Hand of the Pimp makes no sense.

Her character is way more realistic than Brienne or Arya. Where's the hate for them?

And who cares if she wasn't in the books? There were a lot of whores in the books that aren't in the show, like Chataya, Alayaya, etc. She serves a purpose.