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Thank you, that's made it a little clearer to me. I just don't understand why Jon would leave behind a woman who he loved enough to have sex with. That takes a lot, Jon said so when he told Sam that the reason he'd never had sex was because he never wanted to give a bastard to someone he didnt truly love. If Ygritte was to live on and they never saw each other again, and happened to be carrying Jons child which we wouldn't yet know, surely that defies what he said?

Well, he was doing his duty. Remember what Maester Aemon said about that. He asked what Ned would do when love was balanced against duty.

He's his father's son. Despite what some here think.

The only thing I am disappointed in I have to wait 12 months to see Tyrion strangle Shae the notFunny whore

You're going to be waiting a LOT longer than that.

Yes of course I just meant that she is of little value to the Lannisters (for what they know the Stark lineage is wiped out), I still assume she would get protection at house Umber at least and probably also most other smaller houses as I assume what Frey and Boltons did here wont be forgotten easily by the northern houses. Given I havent read the book I lack the indepth knowledge about the finer details here.

Can some bookreader shed the light on the following question, I cant see it being a spoiler, Ive read somewhere that Bran's storyline for book 3 now is concluded. Is that true? And if so I assume season 4 will be some sort of mix between end of book 3 and beginning of book 4?

Also some speculation, if the White walkers are magically blocked out of Westeros by the wall. How the hell are they a threat? Maybe I underestimate them here but it also seems that there is a huge descrepancy in power between the threat from beyond the narrow sea (dany) and the threat from beyond the wall (the white walkers). Overall I kinda feel the dragons are overpowered but on the other hand they were killed once so they can be killed again.

ANYONE can be killed.

The dragons are only a threat to those who oppose Dany. The White Walkers are a threat to everything which lives.

I do agree that from what the show has revealed so far, the dragons ought to annihilate the undead army. Dragonglass, Valyrian (dragon forged) steel, and fire have all been shown/implied to be strong against the wights and walkers. Even giants look overmatched by something that can fly and kill from range.

Having everyone behaving like backstabbing weasels is no more creative or imaginative than having everyone be a paragon of virtue. An epic tale requires a few white hats to play off the greys and blacks.

I do agree that Shae is unconvincingly noble in the season closer. She is quite convincingly stupid, however.

Why show the hands of gold chain if he isn't going to strangle her with it. Tyrion will kill her.

That is to tease us book readers. Like Talisa's letter.

There's not going to be any Shae betrayal. The TV character is completely different. She's going to be killed or worse by Tywin and then Tyrion avenges her. you could tell from season 2 on that Shae and Tyrion were never gonna go as they did in the books. Totally different characters and story. While I think they did a B- job with the season, I can't really fault D&D for making Shae a sympathetic character in the show. Three seasons of Tyrion loving a transparently insincere whore wouldn't have worked well on TV.

I completely agree.

Maybe Shae really is working for Tywin?? All this unconditional love is unrealistic, D+D must realize that, they're not stupid. If, however, Shae was paid by Tywin (or Cersei, maybe??), it would make sense for her to turn down Varys. They like twists, and I wouldn't mind this one.

Were you one of the 'Talisa is spy' clan?

;)

This site has sub groups for the TV show and the books. This thread is clearly about the show.

I think the rules are that any thread which does not warn of spoilers should be kept spoiler-free.

People do make mistakes, of course.

HBO - artistic?

Everytime I look at a sausage I'm going to laugh lol

With THIS show, you`re going to get lots of opportunities.

• ... Theon's sister and her elite killer army of 50 people. This is gonna be a very cool showdown, at least I hope so. I love Yara, definitely my favorite member of House Greyjoy.
  

If it actually happens, it will, but plans can go astray. It would have been very cool for Robb to plunder Casterly Rock.

Can anyone explain why it took so long for Melisandre to see the White Walker threat? More importantly, how did this somehow slip past the all powerful lord of light? Seems kind of hard to swallow that she never knew this and now Stannis is suddenly willing to throw away his quest for the throne and head up north to fight zombies. Is there an explanation or is this just a plot hole (no spoilers please)?

Feels like a plot hole to me. The LoL SHOULD HAVE been paying attention to the north. I always got the impression that Stannis becoming king was just a step in the war against the Others.

Agree with the general consesus in here. The episode was decent, but the ending was too anti climactic/cheerful for a season finale. I personally prefer cliffhangers.

Season two had a clif hanger that was never resolved. A promise of a kick-ass zombie fight at the Fist. Never shown.

I'd rather no promises than empty ones.

I really hope HBO takes Crow and ADWD and does two seasons but does it in chronological order not book order.

There is no way they will do Feast and Dance in published order. They have to be simultaneous.

Also! If someone has three (!) arrow shafts poking out from his back, might it not have been a good idea to put him down on his stomach? Just a thought.

LOL. You noticed too, huh? Yikes!

Depends on how you define important.

Two children kings are dead.

THAT depends on how you define children.

Jon's been maimed by an eagle and shot.

Also not a child.

Tommen and Myrcella watch their brother die.

The Stark children have either watched their fathers head get cut off, hear that their siblings have been killed or hear that their mother has been murdered. I'd consider those harmed.

In this world, not in that world. Worse things happen all the time.

And just as a point - Bran and his siblings could warg into wolves before he fell, so that isn't really much of a tradeoff.

I might be mistaken, but I thought all Bran could do is see from Summer's eyes when he was sleeping.

In any case, being able to control wolves, perhaps people, and maybe dragons (because that is where it is leading) is a LOT of power.

In regards to the whole Shae thing this is the one time I wanted them to change something. Tv show shae is way better than book shae. Maybe I'm wrong but she does seem to truly care for both tyrion and sansa.

I agree.

Because Tyrion is so awesome just being near him and risking her life every day is better for Shae than living a rich life elsewhere, duh...

He's probably the first man who ever treated her like a human being.

The fanboyism of the showrunners for Tyrion has reached really embarrassing levels.

Fanboyism is always embarrassing.

Oh god, you just reminded me that since this is the last episode there is (DUH) no more Game of Thrones for a year.

Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!

I know.

GoT is all about torture and cruelty - even when you're not watching it.

The only real thing that bothered me was that Jaime just WANDERED STRAIGHT FROM ONE OF KL'S GATES RIGHT INTO CERSEI'S BEDCHAMBER. I mean, with him looking like complete shit and supposedly 'unrecognizable', I find it hard to believe.

I thought that at first, but he is FAMOUS and still recognizable. Certainly to the King's Guard.

Yeah, I am pretty sure they will change her death completely. When Tyrion escapes, he learns from Varys that Shae has been murdered on the orders of Tywin, so he decides to kill hist father because of the love for Shae. Sounds horrible?? yes, yes it does. Let the whitewashing continue!!

It doesn't sound horrible. Just different.

Not every relationship has to end in betrayal. It gets old, eventually.

My response to this might be pretty unpopular, but burn away.

I have to say that one of the things that I thought GRRM did very well in the books was not depict Dany's emancipation of Yunkai as a wholly positive act. I think that's one thing a lot of people really like about the series -- nothing is every morally that black and white.

Nothing is ever morally WHITE. There is plenty of BLACK. What Ramsey is doing to Theon.

I was the escape from harrenhal put into a diffrent scene, how she dropped the coin and then sliced the guards throat

It's funny that she had the knife and didn't fulfil her promise to the Hound. She's all talk.

I am really glad they didn't include PW nor LS. Shae scene was strange, how are they going to explain her betrayal?

I don't think she IS going to betray him.

That was pretty bad. The first Sansa scene was atrocious,

Agreed. Sansa joking with Tyrion was just SO wrong.

Stannis has been turned into a one-dimensional Mel puppet, some of Davos's lines were really bad, Kit Harrington's acting was terrible even by his own standards. No real reunion scene between Jaime and Cersei.

I guess THAT is the cliff-hanger? How she reacts? Pretty weak, if so.

But the worst was Shae literally throwing away a fortune so she could stay near the super awesome perfect man Tyrion and risk her life every day. WTF?

Tywin's promised her more? (not a spoiler, just a speculation).