Alia Atreides

They should have taken away some of Sam's character development for the sole purpose of not boring me to death. It's great you think Sam needs extra screentime for his character development, but I don't care for all his repetitive whining.

He is not whining; his character has grown evolved even better in the books where he cowered much of the time. I enjoyed seeing Sam grow and show every man can be brave even scared shitless.

I thought the episode was pretty good, though it was not as good as Blackwater.

Highlights - Sam growing by leaps and bounds, bagging a Thenn and promising to stay with Gilly. Thorne vs. Tormund! Giants and mammoths! Grenn rallying the other Crows at the gate as they face their doom. Ghost coming out and fighting for our boys!

Could have done without - Anything with Slynt, the Wildlings' pre-battle discussion of Ygritte/Jon Snow. I don't understand why Pip and Grenn were killed off.

It is a shame that they're leaving the resolution of the Wildlings/Night's Watch battle, which should get at least 15 minutes, for the season finale, which will be utterly jam-packed with Important Stuff. They can't leave out or shorten the Tyrion scenes or the Dany/dragons business, or Bran communing with the trees or whatnot. I doubt we'll see much of Our Man Stannis next week. On the other hand, there may be more Sam/Gilly billing and cooing.

I agree with all but Slynt he needed to be there I hope they do as much justice as they can next week with the finale.

Absolutely! He takes the time to inter weave a very complex story which is amazing but he does (understandably) take a long time and I want to know what happens. I'm impatient. :D

Anyhow, back to the episode. I really liked the Aemon scene were he discusses his past. It was sort of lovely.

I liked that too he is also quite spry for a 102 year old man :).

Oh really? I don't mind spoilers, I had scene the series before I read the books. Doesn't bother me much. Honestly, I appreciate GRRM but he writes to slow and I really want to know what happens. :P

it cuts both ways at least he doesn't churn out like a hack writer wanting to keep his audience but at the same time you want it NOW.

Oh god, I was terrified when I saw your previous post. I thought it was your way of chastising me indirectly.

lol

Of course and killing them both helps shorten that storyline for next year when Jon is LC. They have a lot to compact next season, Jon has 13 chapters they'll need to condense into one season as I'm almost sure they'll have the stabbing by the end of next season.

ahh yes wow then by the time we are in the 6th season I'm not going to wish to watch anymore it will of been caught up with the books.

I understand they were trying to rev up the emotional appeal! but that was harsh.

yes its like they are going to play it up that Jon has no one by his side on the Wall.

Does this forum have an ignore or block feature? I would really like to not have to see the Stannis fanatics whining all week.

how is anyone whining when all people are wanting is the climax we were waiting for from the books. its easy to ignore people but well you ignore to many of us you might miss GOOD things we may say one day ;)

Oh definitely, I really did like the episode but I do have some legitimate (legitimate) qualms about it. What you mentioned and Ghost were some of my favorite things and Jon did well overall. However, having an anticlimactic ending and a so so Ygritte death scene took away from the episode.

I agree I wish they would of squeezed in Stannis and Pip dying did not sit well with me at all.

I know that Jon isn't going to kill Mance; but right now that's what he's trying to do, penetrate a force of perhaps hundreds of Wildlings and kill their leader. It might help to have a silent, super-large wolf come along as backup. I don't know why Jon didn't think of it.

perhaps he did not want to bring a threat he was trying to come and make a truce?

We know that happens, however, had Jon gone earlier in the episode to meet with Mance and then thy ended the episode with Stannis arrival it would have made the episode overall much better.

I agree other things made up for it; I am happy Sam got some happiness for one. Sad that they killed off other characters, next week should be quite awesome I hope since this one was so short.

Why didn't they have Ghost out as soon as the Wildlings came inside, or earlier? And why isn't Jon taking him along on his mission to kill Mance?

Sweets have you read the books? not spoiling but well he is not going to kill anyone.

Admittedly, I clapped and yelled when that happened, Ghost had slipped my mind until then.

I did too I was yelling you get em Ghost get them all.. I am starting a Ghost fan club on facebook for him :)

Best part for me was when Jon came down out of elevator, then he stops for just a second, looks around and then the music changes and he starts kicking ass. Holy shit, was that a fun episode XD

don't forget our baby Ghost... he came in and tore shit up :) as in throats ;)

I loved Sam so MUCH; see he can be quite brave to the naysayers. Am disappointed that Stan the Man Baratheon IS not there. He better be next week and was that Pip that got killed :(. It was good to have an entire episode in one place but it was way too short.

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but Sansa was awesome I loved her scenes.

Still didn't really get the beetles thing... someone mind explaining it? ;)

a couple of pages back people explained it some if you take a look on pg 38-40 its sort of a metaphor of people killing because they can not for any reason at times. But a couple of people did a good job it of it ;)

I was soooo glad they did it like the books and not "being chopped in half" as soooo many seemed soooooooooo sure off....or like all the people who were predicting that Oberyn would live....that i didnt even mind the gore because i was jumping up and down clapping and cheering....

only when it got to the end credits did i actually realize that shit....No more Predo Pascal :frown5:

definitely gonna be re-watching

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there there I couldn't watch him die either.

I haven't even started to tackle this thread yet, but I thought some posters might enjoy this..........GOT epi by pic and captioning.

My fav might be I WILL KILL YOU WITH CANON BOOK QUOTES BITCH!! LOLLLLLLLLLLL

http://maisiewilliams.tumblr.com/post/87569966119/what-you-missed-on-4x08-of-game-of-thrones

:cheers:

With a few misstep here and there, this was rather interesting, and for me as Sansa fan, truly memorable episode. Long story short, Sansa and Oberyn ruled this, unfortunately in different directions.

The end was as gory as it should have been. I know some viewers don't like it, but the books leave no imagination to what has happened there, and the duel was nicely done. The Oberyn's mobility was something expected and there was a nice flow to it. Liked how he handled the spear, it was indeed nicely done. I loved the keeping "You raped her, you murdered her, you killed her children" and Pascal was absolutely phenomenal in making each of those times slightly more irritated. I am sincerely pleased at how show maintained the twist we have in books, and how our hopes were crushed in the very same cruel way it was done in the books. I assume the Unsullied rage has went over the top...

On the other hand we have "from Aurora to Maleficent" Sansa Stark. The end is there. This is all we have from Sansa in terms of book material, and I believe that we have concluded with her this year. How I feel about this is another story. This was truly from zero to hero transformation and although it felt a bit too fast, this was something that truly opens entire array of possibilities. Now, we can either conclude that Alayne Stone is the mask that never went deep in Sansa's psyche, or at least that is where the show is heading. TBH, there is a huge gap between Sansa's Alayne in TV and Sansa's Alayne in the books. This transformation was, in terms of her playing the game, phenomenal, but there is a feeling that TV Sansa is going into, if not "warrior princess" mode, than in some sort of "ice queen" which, again, can be problematic. I do find her acknowledgement of what LF wants rather interesting, and I assume that this indeed is TWOW spoilers in which Sansa realizes what LF wants from her. As for the vamp costume, we should never forget one thing - she sow it. She made that costume. She was the one who made her look that way. Not LF or anyone else. Sansa has turned herself into a player, and that can go in many directions... All and all, if we are to end her storyline this year, it is in many ways, interesting ending. Now, at least no one can argue that she is silly little girl :)

ETA: Let we not forget a bit crow-ish appeal of Sansa. Bloodraven, much?

In conclusion, interesting episode with Sansa and Oberyn taking the crown this week. Both Turner and Pascal were amazing and truly wonderful addition to the cast. I am going to miss Pascal... As I miss Oberyn :(

I agree on all I loved the turn taken with Sansa it will be very interesting come next season or even this season to see where it will turn to now. The only thing I fear is too many know she is Sansa Stark now.

I am sorry to see Oberyn go as well even if staying true within the novels it was still just as shocking and even more gruesome.

I wonder if we will see Lady Stoneheart this season as well?

True, but just hearing it was enough for me.

There is going to be some serious killing next week. M

:( yes there will be and then its almost over. I can't believe finally Jorah is banished.

I don't like gore. I wish they'd be more subtle, sometimes it works best to leave it up to the imagination.

well it was pretty much gore in the book as well. But this was a bit extreme... I think it did need to be done but I just wasn't gonna look I have the hubby for that he looked and even he said it was ack.

Solid episode, the duel was great although I had to look away. I wonder why they decided to change the Sansa bit.

Me too I couldn't look once he went for his eye balls

Fucking WHOA is all I can say right now! RIP Oberyn Martell and what a shocker regarding Sansa...

Thanks for that, HBO will be happy to know.....I saw the ads for that and want to see it, LOL The preGoT ads usually tick me off, especially since they do not seem to start the show at 9 o'clock much anymore.

:) sure I might watch not sure yet :)