Oh, so you're saying there are two Ices: the original (now known as Dawn) and the one that, until recently, was wielded by the Starks? Not sure I follow you on your logic, but that would clear up my confusion about the first comment, where I was like "I'm pretty sure there's substantial evidence that both of those swords exist separately".  Now, as to the Faceless Men. Here's something I've been playing around with recently. We know GRRM throws references to Lovecraft in the world (squishers b