eggs Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Im sure Barristan isnt so cocky as to taunt his opponent instead of going for the kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artos Stark Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Maybe both at once could take out Gregor, but maybe not, too. Gregor is a straight up monster, inhumanly strong, gigantic and quick for his size. He feels no pain (save for his headaches) because he drinks milk of the poppy everyday. He wears the thickest armour in Westeros and wields a greatsword with one hand. I think the Selmy and the Kingslayer would have their work cut out for them. It would be the much wiser course, if one was set on killing Gregor then and there, to use ranged attacks. Melee combat plays into The Mountain's strengths.Jaime would for sure take Gregor down by himself. Barristan might have more trouble being not as quick as he used to but Jaime is not old or slowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artos Stark Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Killing Loras, hands down. Raiding some villages is not even close to the same level, politically, as killing the son of a Great House.I disagree. Gregor and the Lannisters basically declared war against House Tully. That is worse than killing the third son of the great house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artos Stark Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Oberyn was training/imagining/preparing for this fight for years, was a great fighter and still lost.Jaime and Barristan both fought and trained with Gregor for years, they know all of his tricks and how to beat him. Oberyn isn't on either of their level yet he still had Gregor beat. Gregor is a brute who has limited skill, the guy is all strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artos Stark Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 As for what happens if Sandor doesn't step in. I believe Loras dies, Gregor is allowed to leave (his fate left to his liege lord). Tywin is pissed at Gregor but forgives his mad dog and attempts to patch things up with the Tyrells. I don't however think he attacks the Riverlands with a possible conflict with the Tyrells coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterJack Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Jaime and Barristan both fought and trained with Gregor for years, they know all of his tricks and how to beat him. Oberyn isn't on either of their level yet he still had Gregor beat.Gregor is a brute who has limited skill, the guy is all strength.Robert was all strength too :D He was a great warrior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harald Hard-Ruler Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 If Gregor had killed Loras, he would have been executed for sure. His lover just happens to be the favourite brother of the King and sits on the small council. If it came down to a trial by combat I'm sure Garlan Tyrell or Sandor would be up for a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artos Stark Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Robert was all strength too :D He was a great warrior.Gregor is no Robert. Gregor is a dumb brute, Robert was said to be a fierce warrior. From what we see of Gregor his skill leaves something to be desired.I might add that i don't believe Robert could defeat either of those men in single combat either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morienthar Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Robert was all strength too :D He was a great warrior.the difference is the weapons they used,Robert used his hammer,which sort of makes your style become all power and strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Areo Mace Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 the difference is the weapons they used,Robert used his hammer,which sort of makes your style become all power and strength.The hammer takes just as much skill to use as a sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morienthar Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 The hammer takes just as much skill to use as a sword.Yes but it also takes more strength,especially one that apparently weighs a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeRhaegar Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 then it would be the stormlands and reach vs the westernlands since renly would call his banners too robert would have to give them his head and tywin is smart he would have no choice but to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'll pay the iron price Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 If you watch the clip of the Hound-Mountain fight you see that when King Robert says "Stop this madness in the name of your King" both men cease fighting INSTANTLY.Sandor drops to the floor in salute and Gregor chucks his sword down like a child.Whilst the combat prowess of both men can not be doubted, the Clegane's are quite lowly in standing in Westeros.One is a Landed Knight the other is a bodyguard who doesnt want to be a knight.Both men know that disobeying KIng Robert would not mean a favourable outcome for either of them.With that in mind, Even Gregor wouldnt be silly enough to slaughter the favourite son (Loras) of one of the most powerful houses in Westeros.Gregor would only do something like that under command from Lord Tywin! :cool4: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Bluto Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Whats a bigger deal: raping the Riverlands or killing Loras? Cause Robert was pissed that Ned called for Gregors head even after the Riverland. Robert really wanted Tywin on his side.Having the King Millions of Golden Dragons in your debt has its privileges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artos Stark Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 If you watch the clip of the Hound-Mountain fight you see that when King Robert says "Stop this madness in the name of your King" both men cease fighting INSTANTLY.Sandor drops to the floor in salute and Gregor chucks his sword down like a child.Whilst the combat prowess of both men can not be doubted, the Clegane's are quite lowly in standing in Westeros.One is a Landed Knight the other is a bodyguard who doesnt want to be a knight.Both men know that disobeying KIng Robert would not mean a favourable outcome for either of them.With that in mind, Even Gregor wouldnt be silly enough to slaughter the favourite son (Loras) of one of the most powerful houses in Westeros.Gregor would only do something like that under command from Lord Tywin! :cool4:Bot Gregor was going to slaughter Loras had Sandor not stepped in. He didn'r attack him for fun. I for one hink that neither Gregor nor Tywin is the least bit afraid of Mace Tyrell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Blonde Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Even Oberyn could put Gregor on his back. A legend like Barristan would whoop his ass.What do you mean "even Oberyn"? Oberyn has a fair chance of beating anyone in the books in a 1 vs. 1 scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artos Stark Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 What do you mean "even Oberyn"? Oberyn has a fair chance of beating anyone in the books in a 1 vs. 1 scenario.I'm not quite sure about that. Styles make fights and Oberyn was a bad style match up for Gregor. When facing someone who can match his speed such as Jaime, I don't think he fares too well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggs Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 What do you mean "even Oberyn"? Oberyn has a fair chance of beating anyone in the books in a 1 vs. 1 scenario.I meant "even Oberyn" as in "even a guy on a lower tier". He's a cool guy, but he's never been listed as one of the best like Jaime or Barristan. He's not beating the top dogs without poisoning them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unSonofStannis Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 The Mountain would've crushed the Flower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble Maester Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Loras would had died and that would had cost Gregor his head, no question about it. You don't go murdering the sons of the most powerful houses of Westeros and go unpunished, especially in a situation in which Gregor was.True if Tywin had really insisted he could had most likely saved Gregor but what is one soldier, even if a great one, worth for a lord that commands tens of thousand. The prudent action would had been let that madman be punished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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