Blah Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 - Sarella/Alleras (girl in her early teens who can pass for a guy in his teens with proper makeup/clothing/haircut) and don't be like me.. make sure they don't have big boobs Oh man Craster..just find the creepiest, pervy old guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsnake Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Because he's a much better actor than Sam Elliot, maybe? Why are you so desperate to keep Sam Elliot, when there's a much, much better choice? No, I'll keep this idea, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Yobjascz Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Blah - Yeah, that was a good choice. As for Craster, I thought Billy Connolly would be great as Craster, but he's not bad as Denys Mallister either... Lightsnake - :sigh: I don't have any problems with you keeping your idea... it's just getting repetitive to have you constantly bring it up. My point was simply that you've been arguing in favor of Irons = Blackfish for 10+ pages, and it hasn't taken. It's mildly annoying, and it lessens my view of your other suggestions when you continually harp on this one. Take some time away from it, get some objectivity on the issue, let us do the same, and then perhaps we'll reconsider it later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsnake Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 I haven't been constantly spamming it. I've kept up other ideas as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tysha Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Tysha - We've heard your arguments... Lyanna's read them all... and for the time being, it seems we're going with Zegers. Let it go... move on to cast another role. Perhaps we can come back to this issue later... but people will need at least a week or two to calm down, and look at this objectively again. Continuing to push, regardless of how well articulated, isn't making any progress. ... didn't I pretty much just say at the end of my post I was going to let it go? I still think Zegers is utterly wrong but there are only so many times I can say the same thing over again! And dare I resurrect the idea of Alan Rickman as Brynden or will everyone shout at me for just starting another argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Yobjascz Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Tysha - Sorry 'bout the reply lag... hadn't seen that at the end of your post... and yes, I think Lightsnake has made Brynden Tully a bit of a lightning rod for the time being. To bump it up: Casting Call! Wrack your brains, think long and hard, search IMDB for: - Sarella/Alleras (girl in her early teens who can pass for a guy in his teens with proper makeup/clothing/haircut... i.e. can't be too busty, right Blah?) - Val & Dalla - for Beyond the Wall - Areo Hotah - Norvosi axeman and guard to Doran Martell - Gerold 'Darkstar' Dayne - He is 'of the night' - Craster - Old, craggy, grumpy, and creepy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blah Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Is it wrong that one of my first thoughts for creepy old guy was Jack Nicholson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsnake Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Alan rickman as Brynden isn't such a good idea. He's too distinctive and doesn't have the look to him Alright, ym ideas Areo Hotah: Sam Elliot....better role for him. Sarella/alleras: Lucy Griffiths, perhaps? Dalla: Mirando Otto? Val: Mira Sorvino...Mena Suvari perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Yobjascz Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Hmmm... given Smits and Velazquez as Daynes, what about John Leguizamo as Gerold 'Darkstar' Dayne? Lightsnake - those are pretty good ideas for Val and Dalla... The two are sisters, so you've got to have a strong family resemblance, and one should be older than the other... So I'd go with Val (Mance's girl, and presumably the elder) - Mira Sorvino Dalla (I'd think the younger) - Mena Suvari Lucy Griffiths as Alleras/Sarella? Hmmm... could be. Not many testosterone markers on her face, though... perhaps. I'm neutral on this one (also haven't seen her act). Anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsnake Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 We need to change the daynes, period. And John Leguizamo can stay the HELL away. Far, far away. No way, not in any way, I will see Carrot Top in this before Leguizamo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blah Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Sarella/alleras: Lucy Griffiths, perhaps? Dalla: Mirando Otto? Val: Mira Sorvino...Mena Suvari perhaps? Remember Sarella/Alleras has a very dark skin tone..she can't be played by a Caucasian actress. Physical Description: He is handsome with a pointed chin, widow's peak, and dense mat of close-cropped jet-black curls. Mena Suvari..I kinda like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tysha Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 And John Leguizamo can stay the HELL away. Far, far away. No way, not in any way, I will see Carrot Top in this before Leguizamo I going to go out on a limb and guess you're not a fan? How about Eric Sykes as Craster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Yobjascz Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Blah - Does he/she? I don't remember if Alleras had darker skin... who was her mother? If she wasn't Dornish, then it's possible for her to be lighter... Eric Sykes as Craster? Looks about right, and he's got a lot of experience... but I haven't seen him in anything but the brief Harry Potter role... I'd have no problem with him there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tysha Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 I can't remember how dark Sarella is supposed to be either but if Blah is right then I think Archie Panjabi could be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Yobjascz Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Actually, Panjabi's perfect... in addition to having darker skin, she's got more testosterone markers than your average Hollywood actress... sharper jawline, a bit more of a browridge... cut her hair short, cut out the makeup, dress her up as a man, and she'd do quite well... ... not to say that she's man-ish, but that she'd pass for a man as much as Orlando Bloom or John Hensley... As for Leguizamo and the Darkstar... Lightsnake hates it... so it can't be that wrong, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsnake Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 We do need to rework the Daynes, period....theyr'e supposed to be fair with black hair. the pic of Arthur Dayne shows him with long black hair, medium build next to Gerold... Oh, I like Leguizamo in Rome and Juliet...Summer of Sam and Empire, too, but that's it...he's just SO not right here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyanna Stark-Targaryen Posted December 19, 2006 Author Share Posted December 19, 2006 I'm putting in Craster now, I like him too. Well, the actor, certainly not Craster. Are we set on Mira Sorvino and Mena Suvari? I'll put them in too if we are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsnake Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 I could see Mena as Val....Miranda Otto could be a good Dalla....Mira would work, too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Yobjascz Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Lyanna - Go for it with Suvari and Sorvino... and unless you object or others pipe up, I'd go with Panjabi for Alleras/Sarella as well... Lightsnake - On the Daynes... Generally I'm all for modeling things on the Amok portraits... they are, after all, the closest things we have to GRRM's vision of the characters. However, I make an exception for the Daynes here, and this is because of the peculiar nature of the role they play. Both Arthur and Ashara Dayne are, for whatever reason, special in the series. They are both described in glowing terms... when we read about them, we *know* they are special. It's in the way GRRM describes them. They have few, if any, lines in the book... but they're legendary in their own right... Arthur as the magnificent swordsman, and Ashara, as the beauty that captivated the shy wolf. However, this 'special-ness' won't come across in the screen vision if we cast them according to the Amok drawings, simply because they won't stand out from everyone else. I think that casting Smits and Velazquez will make them a bit more exotic, when compared to the bulk of the rest of Westeros... especially when we see them in AGoT and ACoK, prior to our introduction to the Dornish in ASoS. It'll make them stand out, and the audience will wonder about them... who they are, and why they're different. Everyone who reads GRRM's writing knows the Daynes and wonders about them... but there's no good way to translate his description to screen in those scenes... it takes something else to bring that out. And I think that this switch would accomplish that... Moreover, such a shift *could* be argued within the world... The Dayne's aren't Valyrian, but some of them have the violet eyes, which suggests that they've got some unique qualities in their bloodline. Moreover, they occupy the coastal region of Dorne, which would make them 'salty' Dornishmen. Tyrion notes that the salty Dornish tend to have dark skin and dark hair. Smits in particular, I think matches the vision of Arthur Dayne... he's tall, large-framed, and has a *very* honorable countenance... and he's mature enough to play the role. The rest follow from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsnake Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 The simple fact remains,t hough: The Daynes are supposed to be fair skinned...it hardly matters what 'quality' they give off, since they're rather minor. Smits is dark skinned. He should be out from that alone. Arthur and Ashara were not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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