House Velaryon Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Grandison has been a bit too pleasant and helpful to want to accuse yet.Don't you agree that being pleasant and helpful is in style for FMs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Targaryen Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 It is day 1.16 players remain: Arryn, Belmore, Doggett, Drox, Farman, Grandison, Harclay, Jordayne, Shawney, Swann, Thorne, Toyne, Vikary, Vyrwel, Wagstaff, Waterman.9 votes are needed for a conviction or 8 to go to night.2 votes for Grandison ( Wagstaff, Belmore)2 votes for Shawney ( Arryn, Grandison)2 votes for Thorne ( Jordayne, Waterman)1 vote for Arryn ( Vikary)1 vote for Farman ( Harclay)1 vote for Vikary ( Vyrwel)1 vote for Wagstaff ( Shawney)6 players have not voted: Doggett, Drox, Farman, Swann, Thorne, Toyne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Mooton Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 OK, so after rereading the thread there are a couple people I don't like and would vote for:I think I agree with you, specially about Grandison, but if we are to get a lynch push must come to shove, otherwise we'll most likely miss the deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Ashford Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Don't you agree that being pleasant and helpful is in style for FMs?I don't think that's any more suspicious than, eg, claiming to be female when the accusations of queen-impregnating are being thrown around, then denying it later when it's convenient... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Tyrell Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Actually, if the rules could be slightly altered from day 2 onwards so that spam doesn't count as posts, that would be great.I think we can all agree just to not spam. Spamming for monetary gain is just not cricket.Anyway, as regards pooling money today: it's true that it seems strange to make decisions on who is trustworthy after just one (short) day, but then I don't think that it's possible (for me at least) to see anyone as particularly trustworthy unless they become PI for some reason. But it's not in my opinion sensible to hold back too much on the gold spending simply for lack of PIs, because that may allow the FM to acquire more cash. So basically, if a candidate to be healed tonight was chosen, and I myself didn't particularly suspect them, I'd be happy putting forward my share of gold to bribe the guard.As to cases...avatars currently aren't showing up for me, which is making it difficult to distinguish players. The only person with two votes who has made an impression on me is Shawney, and that's mainly for having fun during RP. But I'll do some rereading now, methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Mooton Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 So basically, if a candidate to be healed tonight was chosen, and I myself didn't particularly suspect them, I'd be happy putting forward my share of gold to bribe the guard.The plan has evolved to us choosing a healer for the day rather than a target (so we might have a chance to prevent the night-kill). If you'd like to join the pool feel free to propose candidates other than yourself you'd feel comfortable with as healers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Clegane Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 remove voteMy joke vote on Wagstaff fills no further purpose.In terms of who to lynch, there are a host of players who have not posted anything worthwhile, who are all people I'd be willing to vote.However, of the players who have posted any substance, I haven't actually got strong opinions on who I want lynched, but at the moment I'd strongly oppose a Wagstaff or Thorne lynch.I'd probably be happiest with lynching one of Grandison and Waterman, and Jordayne to a much lesser extent. I didn't like Waterman's vote on Thorne, and I generally dislike votes where the person voting only includes any logic or reason for the vote when pressed to do so. I also didn't like the recent defence of Grandison. As has been pointed out, Grandison has been middle of the road. Also in his first post he outlined some 'old mafia theory' which included potentially damaging suggestions, such as the innocents making the guards look the other way. (Edit: He didn't say that we should do them, or that they were his ideas, but he did bring them up.)As for Jordayne, I think they've made some errors in a few of their posts, that if not unintentional are very suspicious, but I feel that they have actually brought serious discussion and ideas to the table (albeit some ideas that I disagree with) so I'm willing to extend the benefit of the doubt.For now my vote will sit on Grandison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Payne Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Wrong. If you failed to notice, RP was about me having sex with Vikary and, since I am actually male, it was logical to assume my partner is female, wasn't it?Logical I don't know, praying with Loras has become somewhat of a trend lately, but makes sense. However I'd like to get more thoughts from you. Your vote on Grandi was because he posted "..." IIRC, you seem to agree with me on him, but don't you have other thoughts to share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Tyrell Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 The plan has evolved to us choosing a healer for the day rather than a target (so we might have a chance to prevent the night-kill). If you'd like to join the pool feel free to propose candidates other than yourself you'd feel comfortable with as healers.Ah I see. Yeh I guess I was being pretty thick there, cos if we chose a person to be healed publicly then the FM would just not target them. That might have some value of course, but not so much as keeping the FM guessing completely. Then again, if I trsut someone enough to be healed I guess I'm happy with them being a healer, but I'll need to do some rereading to discover if I can put anyone on this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Payne Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Farman, you seem to suspect Jordayne. You don't like that Jordayne already trusts two people, you think Jordayne was defensive and made an OMGUs vote.So why didn't you vote? You seem to have enough reasons to suspect Jordayne that a vote. But instead you're voting for nobody?It's not clear from your post whether you'll be back before tomorrow or not. But either way it's not good, IMO.FarmanI think Harclay makes a good point. I hope Farman meant "RL tomorrow" and not "in game tomorrow".I think I agree with you, specially about Grandison, but if we are to get a lynch push must come to shove, otherwise we'll most likely miss the deadline.Agree with me? Cool, then let's move on a bit. It's good and all to say we should push for a lynch but I don't see you doing that at the moment. If you are more suspicious of Thorne, then please flesh a bit the case. Who else would you vote for? ...Regarding Thorne, I mostly don't understand his comment about you thinking there were no good players in this game??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Mooton Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 It's good and all to say we should push for a lynch but I don't see you doing that at the moment.Nah, work just got busy for me. I'd be happy to lynch Grandison and loot his gold, but it's mostly a lazy day one join-the-lynch-mob for me at this point.Regarding Thorne, I mostly don't understand his comment about you thinking there were no good players in this game???I guess he meant good as in skilled. Meaning FM that could trick us all into believing they were innocent and handing them all our gold (not exactly my suggestion, but whatever).I mostly didn't like the tone of the post. Thorne came out later saying it was a joje, but I must have missed it completely, because it didn't seem funny to me (or even trying to be funny)...I haven't really seen anything case-worthy so far. Also plenty of pretty inactive players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Velaryon Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 However I'd like to get more thoughts from you. Your vote on Grandi was because he posted "..." IIRC, you seem to agree with me on him, but don't you have other thoughts to share?I am happy with my vote being on Grandison, but I also like case on Farman and might easily agree to switch to him. If we will need a compromise to get majority, Swann might be good choice (we don't want a modkill, because of losing the money).I won't vote Shawney or Jourdane. Thorne is a possibility, but I'd prefer somebody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Targaryen Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 It is day 1.16 players remain: Arryn, Belmore, Doggett, Drox, Farman, Grandison, Harclay, Jordayne, Shawney, Swann, Thorne, Toyne, Vikary, Vyrwel, Wagstaff, Waterman.9 votes are needed for a conviction or 8 to go to night.4 votes for Grandison ( Wagstaff, Belmore, Shawney, Jordayne)2 votes for Shawney ( Arryn, Grandison)1 vote for Arryn ( Vikary)1 vote for Farman ( Harclay)1 vote for Thorne ( Waterman)1 vote for Vikary ( Vyrwel)6 players have not voted: Doggett, Drox, Farman, Swann, Thorne, Toyne.I do have a replacement on line for Swann if he fails to show in the next 3hrs, 13 minutes. As I only do day one replacements, it will be the only replacement this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Velaryon Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Forgot to add: I also found Waterman's unwillingness to vote Grandison slightly ssupicious, but if they are partnered, it's just another reason to lynch Grandi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Clegane Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 So we have less than 3 hours until day end, and we still haven't seen many players around for any portion of the serious conversation. It will be difficult to get the required number of votes for a lynch if they all continue to stay away. Also a fair sprinkling of votes are still sitting on joke votes, which is unhelpful at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Payne Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Arryn has apparently disappeared in his rereading process. Would be nice if he showed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Wythers Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 I think we've spent to much time talking about gold and not enough time talkin about suspicious behaviour.Well, as long as we change the duo everyday it could be a good idea, but how can we determine it for the first day? I mean how can we choose the two who are trustworthy for the first day in a game like this where the day is not that long and like all games in day 1 you dont have much to work on?Another fact that bothers me is that you keep placing yourself in FM's shoes to justify your suggestions and reasoning which I dont like, and you started the game with a serious post and tried to take the lead with recommending a strategy which is not a bad thing by itself, but the fact that you mention innocents are more than FMs and can control the game can mean that you may be an FM who wants to take the lead by playing it aggressive so people wouldnt suspect you.These points are empty. Excuses to object, none are convincing/How do we choose? randomHe keeps placing himslf in the FM shoes? so whatHe suggested innocents are in control and then tried to take the lead so he might be fm? :dunce: And why did you get so defensive about? my remark wasnt at all insulting, how did you get the idea I was trying to say you were cheating? are you kidding me? how is it resentful? lol man I apologize if you got hurt or felt insulted but I still dont understand how a simple joke made you this mad.and this post seems strangely emotionalI agree with this. Maybe we can try on Day 2. But at this point it's too close to the end of the day, I barely have impressions except on a handful of people, and I wouldn't really be willing to entrust any of them with my money anyway. I have to sleep soon and my vote is staying where it is. Sorry.ETA: Although if people made a choice on who to make healer for today, I'd reimburse them from my gold on Day 2, if I were still alive.Like somebody already said, nice mid-road ruffle no feathers opinion.Second, my answers to Jordayne's questions are no I will not give money to heal today and there is no one I would trust to do so at this point. I know others have already said it, but seriously? You already have a couple of names on your list you would give gold to?This idea may have merit later on, but I think it's way to early. I'm not sure how best to use the gold in this game, I admit, but I'd rather not spend it just to spend it right now.Looks like another bandwagon no-thought follow the crowd answrLynch mobs, eh? Well, I'm changing my vote to Thorne, as Shawney's been too entertaining to kill off so soon.as others have said why the heck ignore Grandy who was tied for the lead in votes. Most suspicious thing so far probalyDrox: all he has contributed to the game is saying he doesn't know what to do cause there is no setting (so he can't RP I think) and doesn't understand the game mechanisms. He then somewhat accused people who were spamming/RPing. If he doesn't understand the game mechanisms, then why didn't he ask questions, and why did he say he couldn't RP and then accuse people RPing ?Can you explain how what Drox has done is diffrent from Arryn?I'm willing to vote for any of the above people except Waggy until I get his answer. With Waterman my 1st choice and Grandy 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Wythers Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Arryn has apparently disappeared in his rereading process. Would be nice if he showed up.starting to be a trend with him and people who avoid contribution and keep putting it off are suspicious, he's still on my list too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Tully Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Remove Vote Because it's getting down to the wire, and joke votes aren't very helpful. :blush: On the subject of appointing a healer, I'm on the side of those who think it's a good idea later when we have a smaller pool of players. Right now we are much more likely to waste our money then actually block a night kill. Plus there are no players right now who I would trust with my money. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Wythers Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 hmm upon re-think I realized if Waterman is protecting Grandson he could just be a symp, so I guess the better vote is GrandisonThough i dont much like having 5 votes on 1 player and no other big alternative for people to choose from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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