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Just now, Moonbather said:

Quote: "Tyrion 's reaction is weird though .Does anyone knows more about it ?"

He had been hoping to avoid any imperial entanglements. 

I'd love to know more about Rhaegar and Lyanna's courtship. The whole situation seems very unfair to his other children. I guess that's what they'll explore in the prequel.

Doesn't look like it, only one of the prequels is set in Westeros and it's been made pretty clear it won't be Robert's Rebellion, I take that to mean the events leading up to it as you'd have to include them.to tell either tale.

2 minutes ago, Ingelheim said:

The Wall falling down must be the most beautiful scene this show has ever given us.

Tyrion slapping Joffrey, forever and always. 

On 8/23/2017 at 11:21 PM, Ser Gareth said:

Actually it wasn't plausible at all but we all glossed over it because it wasn't obvious.  The fact he is meant to have landed at Eastwatch and no one at Eastwatch decided to alert Castle Black via a Raven or a messenger?  The fact that he must gone beyond the Wall at Eastwatch and marched an entire army North of the Wall to Castle Black (which would have taken days) and that canny leader Mance didn't know they were coming?

GRRM himself has admitted some of the travel times in the books don't make logical sense (and also said he didn't care as nitpicking over realistic journey times doesn't impact the story).

As with most things in life, people are usually willing to make allowances when it suits them rather than be consistent across the board and condemn friend and foe alike for the same actions.  We are full of double standards.....

Well I guess that's where Martin's POV style comes in handy because as it's written from Jon's POV we, the reader, aren't privy to what happens at Eastwatch therefore there's nothing to gloss over, from Jon's POV it is entirely plausible for it to be a total surprise, and it is, and it was.

IIRC the quote from 'GRRM himself' was more to do with people who discount certain massive theories ('R+L=J') and the like by saying it wouldn't be possible because of travelling distances, which is a bit different and doesn't apply here.

On 8/22/2017 at 3:41 AM, plectrum said:

The funny part is that I agree with you.  The constant stream of plot devices and deus ex machinas is annoying (though, again, I really can't stress how awesome the dragons are now that they're actually being used).  The show was most certainly better written back when they had the books to guide them.  It should surprise no one that GRRM is a better writer than D&D.

If anyone was complaining about the deus ex machinas, I'd probably just silently agree since I don't like to turn these threads into a complaintfest.  However, the comment I was responding to was very specifically complaining about why the characters weren't showing signs of hypothermia.  I mean, you never see people making a big deal about tiny details like that on any other show.  It's just fashionable to bag on GoT now, so they're getting that level of ridiculous scrutiny (again, stuff like hypothermia, NOT the questioning of major, illogical, recurring plot devices).  

It's the same way people whine about teleporters now.  Nevermind that we'd be into season 170 before the Red Wedding ever took place if they didn't hit fast forward between scenes.  That's without even getting into my opinion that if you want to watch hours of people pointlessly travelling somewhere, you can just pop LoTR into the Blu-ray player again.  With that said, it really did stretch credulity this week with Gendry getting to the Wall, the raven getting to Dragonstone, and the dragons making it north of the wall in what seemed like about a day (tops).  For once, it's a legitimate complaint.

What I'm saying is this: the show has declined in quality, but that doesn't make every complaint valid.

Yeah i fully agree with your point, and in fact being a massive complaintfest lover i get a little miffed when someone focuses on something like the hypothermia issue as it's not a stretch of the imagination to suspend disbelief for it, it belittles all the valid complaints like constant deus ex machina or in-your-face plot holes that you point out, and putting them together detracts from the important points, like the WW army not waiting for Jon to resurface and end what seems to be the NK's established biggest enemy (using Hardhome as evidence for that). For me the worst case of this has been how the White Walkers have chains in tow, people seem to off the map angry about it whereas I only really thought about it once it had been pointed out. That particular issue can be answered by many explanations and i'm not even that bothered if it isn't, it doesn't harm the story in any way. The battles are cool and everything, the dragon death and plummet below the ice was fucking jaw-droppingly brilliant, but as i'm watching i'm still laughing to myself at how ludicrous the whole thing is, which is a shame.

The Teleportation issues this season have ruined it for me the most but I can see how the casual viewer can turn off to them and enjoy the show. One of the best moments of the entire series for me is Stannis appearing at the last minute to crush the wildlings north of the wall, in both books and show it was entirely plausible and entirely out of the blue. To be able to pull off that kind of surprise and make it fit with the timeframe of the story is brilliant story telling. However now you just get the out of the blue, you don't get the plausibility that lends itself so well to the surprise, Euron turning up at 3 different places within a day of each other to crush entire armies completely negates the surprising moment it is, it's surprising because he was 3,000 miles away 10 minutes ago, and that's when, as a viewer, i'm thinking more of timelines when i should be watching and enjoying Euron kill off terribly written show characters, it takes me out of the moment, and it's too ridiculous to accept. It also makes the show so boring to know that they can just cut logic out at any moment for a cool set piece they have in mind.

It's largely down to the fact that the show was so well written for the first 3-4 seasons, they established laws within their own story that they can no longer follow on their own, and it's really distracting.

22 hours ago, plectrum said:

It was a joke.  But yeah, honestly, I think if you're watching this show and getting hung up on the fact that it doesn't credibly depict the real life difficulties associated with hypothermia, you're probably just looking to complain about something (that's what the original comment was about).

this show that has established laws just like our real life, it's too easy a defense and too easy a let off for poor writing. It's utterly ridiculous but I'm not even bothered about Hypothermia, you could tell me it's due to his Resurrection or some other retcon and i'd be fine with it, what i do have a problem with is an army of the dead controlled by White Walkers tackling Jon through the Ice and then walking the hell away?! For no reason other than for Jon to resurface and proceed to spoonfeed us the shite-icing on the cake of Benjen's pointless deus ex machina save and tepid sacrifice. When your faced with these contrived moment one after the other after the other it's hard not to notice and lament it. I still enjoy the show, on an entertainment level it's top notch, but the show used to be better than the huge faults it's plagued with now, and there's absolutely no shame in bitching about it. 

14 minutes ago, plectrum said:

"More realism, please," said the guy watching a show about dragons, resurrections, magic, and zombies.

 

That's a different kind of suspension of disbelief. You can't see the difference?

44 minutes ago, Lurid Jester said:

Not sure you're in support of people posting leak spoilers, or if you're against it.

I'm vehemently against the idea as i detest spoilers of all kinds (even a 'previously on' segment in shows irk me), but i see no reason in banning conversation.

I see all the topics in the Episode 6 section have been removed due to the leaks. This forum is utterly pathetic sometimes.