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  1. Why do you all chose to ignore these two facts (I) Mance is not a member of the NW nor is Jon his commander, he is a prisoner of Stannis Baratheon and (Ii) Jon tasked Mance with retrieving the girl on the gray horse, not kidnapping in Winterfell. This couldhave been an interesting discussion on why guest rights appear to lose significance or an interesting discussion on potential consequences for breaking guest right by Freys, Mance, which I do agree the OP makes an interesting case for, and maybe Manderly. It could even be a questioning of wether guest right does apply in a conquered location or not. Instead this thread is just filled with negativity both from pro and anti Jon/Stark forum members.
  2. I’d say treason. He participated in a rebellion against the Iron Throne, which constitutes treason. I’d guess under the jurisdiction of the Iron Throne his murder of his liege Lord would constitute betrayal if were only looking at the RW. Under the jurisdiction of the (no longer existing) Kingdom of the North and Riverlands he committed treason by murdering the King while being their subject.
  3. Just saying no offence doesn’t make a reply less dickish. As the last thing Dany did in the books was ride Drogon, I don’t see merit in you’re response. She clearly controls Drogon enough to put a saddle on him.
  4. Great post! The fact that I almost immediately know what chapter they refer to shows you really put some effort in.
  5. The discussion earlier in this thread showed me there is less common knowledge about them then my sleepy head assumed. However there is the information that Whent and Dayne (probably, I’m assuming again) were with Rhaegar when he “kidnapped” Lyanna, as Rhaegar travelled the Riverlands with his usual posse. It seems Dayne and Whent never returned home or to Court after that. So there must be people, e.g. someone like Varys, knowing there was some involvement in Rhaegars whole camp and he had Lyanna. If I’d had that info alone, I’d assume they were guarding both of them and perhaps keeping Lyana from escaping.
  6. I guess the common narrative is they were Lyanna’s (overqualified) jailers. Unless you believe Rhaegar was married to Lyanna (and this was allowed and deemed valid) the baby at the ToJ was an unrecognised bastard of the Crown Prince, not exactly a common protectee for the KG, so I doubt a baby is that evident. I agree though there should perhaps have been speculation in this regard from the likes of Jaime, Barristan, Varys and perhaps, though less so, in the Robert-side of the Rebellion.
  7. Im picturing GRRM just sitting there posting his Shiera Seastar story everywhere, angrily wondering why nobody engages.
  8. Because it is his existence, Tyrion’s deformities combined with his personality which is what Tywin hates and deems unworthy of a True Lannister. It’s not Tyrion’s actions. Much had been written here about the hypocrisy of Tywin Lannister. It’s not the whoremongering Tywin has a problem with, its how. Tyrion is a Lannister and while he is below every other Lannister, he is above everybody else according to Tywin. tywin forces Tyrion to pay Tysha, which I see as a symptom of Tywins arrogance. Tywin is the kind of guy who thinks that if Lannister would enter a brothel, he should go for the most expensive option.
  9. A Lannister always pays his debt. He hates Tyrion most because of how he reflects on the House. Tyrion leaving a bill unpaid reflects even worse.
  10. I think you give your reason in the OP: rumours of Mel, a general dislike of Stannis and a bit of blame for his death combine in the refusal to yield Edric. It is possible the tendency for followers of Rhollor to perform sacrifice was widely know, but the text is silent in that regard I think. The notion he was more aware of Mel is interesting, but IIRC she came to Stannis on Dragonstone and we have no indication she was in Westeros before. I think the ‘weak’ rationale suffices mostly because GRRM wanted to show Mel and the Shadowbaby.
  11. To me the fact that the crypts speak of distinct levels means they’re man-made, so I don’t think the crypt themselves are the tunnels. However, it is very possible it is linked to some underground river, geothermal cavern systems. I believe such theories have been posted here before so you might be interested in a quick search!
  12. You’re right it was childish and I’m sorry for that but how does Ned fighting in a war and killing AD or Cat not ‘talking to Tywin’ an antihero. You say the evidence doesn’t point to Tyrion but give no evidence Cat possessed at the time, only hindsight. It’s becoming my catchphrase: ‘it’s fine to dislike a character but don’t lie about the reason why’
  13. I’d assume Victarion would paint an accurately horrible picture of Euron so I doubt it. You never know though Euron gives of some Dario vibes and maybe his mysticism side attracts Dany. If they were to marry I’d fear a Hornwood situation
  14. It has to be house Darry. Drab mess of a coat of arms and who wants a plough on their flag. The black on dark brown is also inexplicable.
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