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  1. Myrish Lace

    Rules of inheritance

    No, it is you who are confused on the matter - Joffrey quite clearly disinherits a bunch of people in the books. Forty-seven lesser lordlings and six hundred nineteen knights had lost their lives beneath the fiery heart of Stannis and his Lord of Light, along with several thousand common men-at-arms. Traitors all, their heirs were disinherited, their lands and castles granted to those who had proved more loyal. Hence my point stands. "Disinheriting" is a very specific thing in ASOIAF, it happens only by explicit decree ejecting the heir from succession. Thus your idea that a "person who has once been named or recognized as heir only be replaced by a child from another wife is disinherited" doesn't hold up. One can not be disinherited by being merely moved in the order of succession in ASOIAF. You continue to insist upon this point, yet Widow's Law makes no provisions for such claims.
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    Rules of inheritance

    We are discussing a law that makes no mention of either naming or installing heirs, opting for a rigid system of automatic male-preference inheritance instead. Have you not read a word I've written? George uses "disinherit" as a very specific way, as an explicit ejection of an heir from the line of succession. Aegon was not disinherited by Viserys' decree; had Viserys changed the succession in favor of Aegon II, Rhaenyra would not have been disinherited either. Unless Viserys I specifically decrees "Rhaenyra/Aegon II are hereby disinherited", neither of them is disinherited. What you are referring to is not disinheriting (at least as George uses the word) - it's reshuffling of inheritance order by law/decree. The former favors Aegon II, since he is the eldest son. The latter is not even an option under Widow's law. Under the Widow's Law - yes he has to accept her as his heir. If the lord has only daughters, the eldest one is his heir. It's not a matter of preference or choice, the law commands that in absence of sons the eldest daughter is the heir, period. That's precisely what Widow's law commands. The eldest son is the heir, no ifs or buts. The eldest son inherits, the eldest daughter is the next in line after her brothers. And this would not constitute "disinheriting" the daughter that was previously the heiress, since "disinheriting" would require a decree that ejects her from the line of succession altogether. I'm not sure what undermines your argument more - George's edits of Dance sections for Fire&Blood, with extra material and cuts. Or maybe your attempt to somehow derive Rhaenyra's right to the throne from the law that literally has "reaffirming the right of the eldest son to inherit" in it.
  3. Myrish Lace

    Rules of inheritance

    No, it does not. First, the law states the opposite in no uncertain terms; there is no proviso for several marriages or allowances for designating anyone as heir ahead of the eldest son for that matter. Second, you confuse being disinherited (which is referred to in the law) and being naturally moved down in the line of succession. In all available texts, word "disinherited" is used in a very specific set of circumstances, when a person in question is explicitly and purposefully removed from the line of succession via official decision. There is but a handful of cases when people are actually disinherited. Heirs to traitors are disinherited by Joffrey('s government). Maegor disinherited Jaehaerys via a decree (or at least attempted to). No disinherited person is ever disinherited by implication, that's not how it works in ASOIAF. This is the reason why Widow's Law, if ever applied to Rhaenyra/Aegon II situation, supports Aegon II. Neither Rhaenyra nor Aegon II was disinherited - aka had their rights explicitly annulled via vow/abdication/verdict. If you apply Widow's Law, then after Aegon II's birth, Rhaenyra was not disinherited - she was simply moved to the end of the line, since the law clearly places sons ahead of daughters. Just like Catelyn was not disinherited by Edmure's birth - merely moved down the line. This is also the reason why no person in-universe tries to justify Rhaenyra's claim via Widow's Law.
  4. Myrish Lace

    Rules of inheritance

    Widow's law is quite clear on this: To rectify these ills, King Jaehaerys in 52 AC promulgated the Widow’s Law, reaffirming the right of the eldest son (or eldest daughter, where there was no son) to inherit... So it's the (eldest) son, irregardless whether it was first, second or tenth marriage he was born to.
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    An entire royal line wiped out in one battle?

    Eh, no. Field of Fire happened after conquest of Stormlands, Riverlands, Crownlands and abortive Vale invasion. The fact that dragons fly and burn men, forests and castles was blatantly obvious. The purpose of cavalry charge is to smash into the enemy with a bunch of horsemen. Dragons fly. Horses do not fly. Ergo charging dragons with cavalry is physically impossible. Mern and Loren were silly men.
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    An entire royal line wiped out in one battle?

    Trying to charge a flying dragon with cavalry (which can't fly) is ridiculously foolish. Mern (as well as many of his colleagues) was a silly man.
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    Who was the Biggest Villain of the Dance?

    I dunno, between forbidden bodyguard romance with implications of treason, attempt to pass three bastard sons for legal heirs, a bunch of self-sabotaging decisions and violent reprisals against the very people she needed the most... there is a bunch of parallels big and small. GRRM wasn't subtle about it Eh, Cersei makes similar complaints and it rings hollow in both cases. Complicated legalities aside, Rhaenyra (and Cersei) march to their doom precisely because they are stupid, vile and incapable. Their poor qualities as people and as rulers catch up with them long before the whole "she was a woman" stick can. To illustrate the point, let's take Lords Paramount and the whole Borros Baratheon debacle. There are seven LPs in all of Westeros. Yet it doesn't occur to Rhaenyra to keep in touch with Borros (who also happens to be her relative). There is no mention of Borros meeting any of Black leaders before. He is stranger. And in a feat of baffling arrogance they just presume to have his loyalty. There isn't even a bone for Borros - no dragon to stand with him, no royal ward, no marriage, zilch. Jeyen Arryn got a dragonrider; Tully was swayed by a dragonrider arriving in Riverlands; Stark got promises of marriage; Greyjoy got opportunity to murder, enslave, rape and steal. No wonder Borros dropped her like a hot potato. It wasn't about Rhaenyra's gender; her offer was just insulting. But wait, there is more! Mere 12 pages before Lucerys' death (and three pages before his departure from Dragonstone) Rhaenyra is visited by Aegon II's envoy, Grand Maester Orwyle. Rhaenyra has Orwyle assaulted and robbed. Yet it doesn't occur to her or any of her advisers that - after such blatant disregard for envoy status - the safety of her own envoys might be in question. Mistreating a defenseless old man must have felt really awesome for Rhaenyra to risk her own sons' lives for it. Madness. Madness and stupidity. Rhaenyra wanted a 10-year-old tortured and had Vaemond brutally murdered for saying the obvious long before the Dance. It's pretty clear to me that Rhaenyra was no less violent and malicious than Cersei.
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    Who was the Biggest Villain of the Dance?

    Viserys I had his vicious moments, but he wasn't much of a villain, just astoundingly incompetent. Little exposition to her vile acts? She demands to have her 10-year-old brother tortured for saying the obvious, has Vaemond murdered in defiance of her father's decree and gives Dalton carte-blanche to murder, rob, enslave and rape like the Ironborn of old. And let's not even get started on her decisions in KL. There doesn't seem to be any shortage of Rhaenyra's vile acts in the narrative. She is Cersei 0.5; every time she appears, she either does something vile, something stupid or something vile & stupid.
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    The Official Count of Kings

    Discredited Maegor ruled Westeros as a sole monarch for a decade, leaving a corresponding amount of decisions - land grants, titles, allocation etc. Rhaenyra's only decision that carried over was Alyn's legitimization - and even that one had to be confirmed/re-issued by Aegon III's regency council. At certain point overturning many years of legislation and decision-making becomes too much of a hassle.
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    The Official Count of Kings

    The count is determined by consensus among the nobility. It was easier for nobility to accept Maegor as King and move on. Maegor the Cruel was a usurper, yes, but he spent almost a decade ruling - conferring titles and lands. If Maegor was no King, Harrenhall, lands in the Reach and probably a few more things would have to be re-distributed. Jaehaerys didn't want rock the boat, given how many of his benefactors were former Maegor supporters. Rhaenyra discredited herself with paranoia and brutality. Her remaining backers - the Late Lord Stark and Late Lady Arryn, fresh out of jail Corlys Velaryon - were not too keen on promoting her rights. Aegon III, being closest male relative to Aegon II, was a natural successor in accordance to Great Council's decision. He also had neither power nor will to reverse post-war settlement, Daeron was half-Velaryon, Baelor didn't care. And once Viserys II seized the throne ahead of his niece, any attempt to recognize Rhaenyra's rights would undermine his (and his successors') right to rule. Same goes for Robert, Joffrey, Stannis and others - whoever is going to be palatable to the nobility is going to land in the list. I suspect Robert will remain - otherwise a decade of legislation and decision-making will go out of the window and it's not something even potential Targaryens would like to see. Too much hassle, to many opportunities for stirring shit up.
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    Cregan Stark: the fool wolf

    Riverlands were burned out by Aemond and Black Riverlords. The winter of 130-135 AC is noted as long and brutal. Agriculture would not resume until the end of it, meaning total dependence on reserves - the very same reserves that would be gathered in burned out towns and villages. A Northern husband would be just another mouth to eat dwindling supplies, a heavy burden in the middle of harsh winter. So yeah, either a knife or a fork - depending on exact amount of remaining supplies in given area.
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    [spoiler] Larys Strong

    Larys is a dead man with no successors. It is thus easy to pin anything and everything on Larys in a chronicle written by a maester close to the royal household. Just like it was easy to pin anything and everything on Unwin Peake, given his House's fall from grace by the time of Gyldayn. Take Aegon II's poisoning. Gyldayn uses some mysterious source to base his story on. The source is never named. There is no explanation to how would the source overhear two men conspiring to poison the King. One would think a spymaster would know better than to yell to all and sundry about such plans. Gyldayn's rampant speculations aside, Corlys was the only man to confess to the crime on his own - the rest of the alleged conspirators were either placed under duress or never confessed to anything. And since there was never any kind of proper investigation, it's all a matter of conjecture and theories. The things we know for certain Larys did - like his efforts to save Aegon II's children - are quite reasonable and not at all vile.
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    Prince of Dragonstone

    The latter. Jaehaerys was the first to use the title in formal sense, in an obvious attempt to lend additional legitimacy for his son's claim as a successor to the Iron Throne. However it was not obligatory - not every King's heir was granted the title; there is no mention of law or a decree or even an established precedent binding the title and succession right together. It's like Blackfyre - the sword has no legal power and could be granted to anyone, but it is associated with the idea of kingship in the mass consciousness.
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    Expansion Across the Narrow Sea

    Visenya couldn't protect Velaryon fleet. Aemon was brought down by some pirates. Daemon and Corlys failed to conquer Stepstones. Triarchy's fleet overcame Velaryon fleet supported by six dragons and its landing parties managed to sack High Tide despite heavy losses. Alyn failed to purge the Stepstones (although it can be attributed purely to Alyn's idiocy). Exiled, twice beaten Blackfyres are such a terror to Bloodraven he's ready to leave half the continent to the mercies of Ironborn rather than to slip his eye even for a second from a potential invading army from Essos. When Blackfyres finally manage to muster anything even remotely resembling a sizable army under Maelys, Egg completely loses his shit - and it's quite obvious why. Despite an enormous disparity between two powers - Targaryens with a continent of their own and Blackfyres with but one Free City - the War of Ninepenny Kings is a bloody, hard-fought affair with a bunch of prominent casualties for Westerosi. Westerosi noblemen regularly hire soldiers in Essos. It's a thing. The last time anyone from Essos traveled to hire Westerosi soldiers was... three hundred years ago. Time and again Essosi face extremely unfavorable odds and either win outright or inflict heavy losses upon Westerosi. If you divorce yourself from Westerosi-centric perspective of the text, it's not hard to see who's better. Said company was built after Bittersteel's stint with Second Sons. It is a fully professional force (something completely contrary to Westerosi system of levies). It is lead by people like Strickland, Edoryen, Balaq, Maar - people who who were born and raised in Essos. The latter three are not even progeny of exiles. So the idea of GC as a company "built by and based around Westerosi military organisation" is at best a vast exaggeration. Golden Company was founded by Westerosi exiles who adapted to Essosi environment, adopting non-Westerosi MO, personnel and expertise.
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    Expansion Across the Narrow Sea

    WoIaF: We speak of Nine Free Cities, though across the width of Essos one may find many other Valyrian towns, settlements, and outposts, some larger and more populous than Gulltown, White Harbor, or even Lannisport. The distinction that sets the Nine apart is not their size but their origins So the map should not deceive you - the "empty" land around Free Cities is densely populated. Any attempt to take it would require fighting Free Cities and Westeros is just unprepared for that.
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