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  1. Alyssa of House Arryn

    Missing things in FaB

    I'm still not sold on the fact that Tyanna could not find three very Valyrian-looking people who had two fairly big dragons, and who were hiding in a big castle like Storm's End, but could locate two dragonless girls who even had their hair dyed. Also Rhaella just disappears after 58 AC. You would think Alysanne and Jaehaerys could call her at court, to act as a role model to their daughters, however this never happens, and Rhaella is never to be mentioned again. Supposing that Rhaena paid a visit to her every year till she died, then we only know that Rhaella was alive in 73 AC. Just this. Miles Smallwood was so bad at Handship that Pylos mentions him centuries later as an example to be avoided by future Hands. Yet, he appears to be incompetent at best, not outstandingly bad. Similarly, Ryam Redwyne was bad enough for Yandel to write that his 'prowess with sword and lance proved to not be matched by his ability to rule' and for Jaehaerys to make Baelon Hand within a year, and yet, we never really see what exactly he did (or did not) that made him such a bad Hand. Viserys was born in 77, Daemon in 81, and yet aside of a brief mention of Alyssa flying with them on Meleys, they completely disappear from the narrative until years later, when they are relevant again, in the Great Council of 101 and when Viserys becomes king in 103. Apparently they did nothing noteworthy in their teen years, not even Daemon, even though Gyldayn made sure to write of every single of Saera's deeds. Jocelyn evaporated into thin air after Rhaenys's claim was put aside in favour of that of Baelon's is quite disappointing. How did she even die??? When did she die??? How did Rhaenys react??? If the average Westerosi age of death is around 50 years of age (Dunk thinks it's remarkable that old Arlan was pretty close to 60), that would mean she probably died early in Viserys's reign, so how come 'A Question of Succession' never mentions the passing of Princess Rhaenys's mother, half-sister to the Old King, cousin to the young one, once wife to the heir? Also something I still don't get is, how many years old must a dragon be to be fit for riding? Daenerys rides Drogon around mid-300, when he was born late 298-early 299. Yet Morning hatches in 129-130 and Rhaena doesn't ride her until 135.
  2. Alyssa of House Arryn

    [SPOILERS] Jaehaerys and Alysanne

    One of my biggest pet peeves with this book. Jocelyn was the future queen for a good 22 years. She had so much potential, but GRRM decided she was better off as an one-note side character. He could have written about Alysanne training Jocelyn to be queen the way Jaehaerys appointed Aemon to the small council, Alysanne taking her with her in some 'women council', her spending time witn Alyssa the way Aemon and Baelon spent time together, etc. Instead, she only exists to cause her mother's death, give birth to Rhaenys, and be angry at Jaehaerys when he passes over Rhaenys, after which she just disappears. We've got no idea when and how she died, unlike Aemon. She doesn't utter a single word in the whole book! Why couldn't have we got Jocelyn interacting with her half sister Alysanne? With her half nieces? Why couldn't Alyssa survive Aegon's birth so we'd see how these women interacted after one's daughter, granddaughter and grandson was rejected in favour of the other's son? If we could have Aemon-Baelon, why not Jocelyn-Alyssa? Why was their possible story deemed inferior to the Aemon-Baelon dynamic (especially since we already had a similar one in the main books, with Jon and Robb)?
  3. I think Rhaegar promised Lyanna to marry her. She wanted to escape her marriage to Robert, and by marrying the crown prince she can be sure her father will never be able to make her marry Robert. I don't think it's a coincidence that they met not far from Harrenhal - near the Isle of Faces, which is full of weirwoods (and thus Lyanna can get married Northern-style). As for Rhaegar, I don't think he particularly cared whether Lyanna is a lawful wife or not, he just wanted a third head, base or true - legitimization, if necessary, can come later. As for Elia, I think Lyanna probably thought that becoming Rhaegar's second wife would be the best case scenario for all; she doesn't marry Robert, and Elia remains Rhaegar's wife (just not the only one). Lyanna probably thought that afterwards, Rhaegar would take her to court to be a crown princess, furture queen, mother of princes, with a father who can't do much about it, no matter how furious, safe from Robert. Instead, she spend the last year of her life completely isolated, far away from home and family, dying at sixteen to bring forth a baby whose parentage posed a danger to him.
  4. Alyssa of House Arryn

    The Shivers

    Eh, not everything has a equivalent in the real world. Like seasons last years, diseases are even more deadly. Nobody seems to think there's a supernatural element in the Shivers, winter fever or Great Spring Sickness, so I think that this is simply how the Known World is (or just Westeros - but the Red Death in Sothoryos is equally horrifying). Targaryens are not immune to diseases, no more than they are fire-proof. Maybe they have better resistance, but are not untouchable. That's why Daenerys never gets sick - she's got some sort of immunity, plus plain luck. But some of them got sick, and most of them died because of diseases and sicknesses. Case in point: King Aenys I died of some bowel disease. Princess Daenerys died of the Shivers. Princess Alyssa died of childbed fever. Princess Maegelle died of greyscale. King Aegon III died of consumption. King Daeron II died of the Great Spring Sickness. Prince Daeron died of some pox he got from a whore. And that's just a sample of the Targaryens who got sick and died. Alysanne, Naerys, Daella, Valarr, Matarys, Jaehaerys II, Rhaella, Maekar, Aerys I, maybe Viserys II, all got sick (and mostly died) as well.
  5. Alyssa of House Arryn

    [SPOILERS] The Regency of Aegon III

    The regency is probably the best part of the book - Aegon's Conquest was already known, the chapters about his reign too sort to draw any conclusions of the characters hadn't had already, the Maegor & Aenys chapter was... good, but not exceptional, the chapters of Jaehaerys and Alysanne, though fun to read, are tiring after too much 'Jaehaerys is the best, Jaehaerys is god, Jaehaerys can do no mistake' propaganda and the shifting in characterization. As for the Dance, it was... the Dance. Gritty and all. But Aegon III's regency, despite having a bit of gore, is surprisingly light-hearted and enjoyable. The fact that Baela and Rhaena just faded after a certain part left a bad taste in my mouth, but I guess they couldn't be at court all the time. And I am a bit disappointed we did not get to see a little more of their relationship with their half-brothers, especially Viserys. I think when it came to Baela, GRRM sort of... gave up. Baela feels like a repetition of (an older) Arya, and a mix between Alyssa, Saera and Viserra, like he couldn't think of a distinct personality for her. She prefers masculine activities to feminine ones, has scandalous sex drive, is the tomboy to the girly girl, very pretty, etc. I do wish GRRM didn't act like sisters only come in two different modes, one traditional feminine, and 'meek' (for lack of better word), the other more masculine and adventurous - and are polar opposites. We see that with Visenya and Rhaenys, Rhaena and Alysanne, Aerea and Rhaella, the daughters of Jaehaerys (compare Daenerys, Maegelle and Daella to Alyssa, Saera and Viserra), Baela and Rhaena, Daena and Rhaena, Sansa and Arya.
  6. Alyssa of House Arryn

    The Pact of Ice and Fire

    The possibility of the crown prince marrying some Northern girl is a more serious matter than anything Coryanne Wylde ever did - especially since it echoes the current situation in the main series, unlike Coryanne trying to seduce Jaehaerys.
  7. Alyssa of House Arryn

    The Pact of Ice and Fire

    Sure, but if it isn't true... then why did GRRM mention it at all? Just to show what an imaginative fool Mushroom is? There has to be a reason why this rumour existed at all - and Rhaegar had no problem to humiliate his wife, a princess of Dorne, so I imagine if Jace was as lovestruck as Rhaegar, he wouldn't hesitate to ditch Baela for Sara, like Rhaegar left Elia for Lyanna (I think Jace and Sara serve as a Rhaegar and Lyanna parallel, after all - the Targaryen prince, betrothed to a princess, leaves his bride for a Stark maiden but dies in the war anyway).
  8. Alyssa of House Arryn

    The Pact of Ice and Fire

    If Jace could break his betrothal to Baela without telling her or Rhaenyra, he could lie to them about marrying Sara.
  9. Alyssa of House Arryn

    The Pact of Ice and Fire

    That's because Elio Garcia mentioned her. The books themselves (before F&B) don't.
  10. Alyssa of House Arryn

    The Pact of Ice and Fire

    The Pact was that a future daughter of Prince Jacaerys (presumably by his wife-to-be the Lady Baela) would marry a Stark. Jacaerys though married Sara Snow in secret. It's not clear if Jace expected his firstborn by Sara to marry some Stark.
  11. Aegon III reminds me a bit of Jon - far from the throne/seat of Winterfell (Jon's a bastard, Aegon's a fourth son), has two sisters, one of which is a tomboy, the other more feminine, is rather distant and aloof from those he rules over, has eyes so dark they could be black, etc
  12. Alyssa of House Arryn

    How did Daeron and Baelor end up like they did?!

    If Daeron II was named after Daeron I, it is even more likely that it was Grandpa Vissy who named the baby. His son after his brother the king, his grandson after his nephew the crown prince. Plus, I can't imagine Aegon the Unworthy ever bothering to parent any of his children, and than includes giving them a name. I think, that just like Bobby, Aegon was hunting when Naerys delivered Daeron, far away from the capital to decide for his newborn's name.
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    [SPOILERS] Jaehaerys and Alysanne

    This Aegon (Alysanne and Jaehaerys's) was one of eleven known Aegon Targaryens. I really doubt his fate means anything for Jon, no more than the fates of Aegon the Lord f Dragonstone, Kings Aegon one to five, Aegon the Uncrowned, or Rhaegar's Aegon. Plus, it is not even confirmed Jon's 'real' name is Aegon. This is show-only until further books prove otherwise. And Daenerys's fate will probably be nothing like the first one's. Dany's not dying from Shivers or greyscale, nor is the Shivers some metaphor for ice and cold, no more than the winter fever is, or the Great Spring Sickness, or anything else. I think Prince Aeryn becoming Princess Daenerys had more to do with 'child of three' theme of Daenerys's story than anything else.
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    How did Daeron and Baelor end up like they did?!

    Maybe Daeron I was named after his maternal grandfather, Daeron Velaryon. Or maybe, after all those fake Daeron the Darings showed up, Aegon III felt he needed to reclaim the name 'Daeron' for the Targaryens. edit: Or maybe Daeron I was named after his maternal grandfather and Viserys felt the need to reclaim the name, thus naming his grandson Daeron, which would explain why the Targs had two Daerons within ten years.
  15. Alyssa of House Arryn

    How did Daeron and Baelor end up like they did?!

    Daeron grew up with stories of the great men of the Dance of the Dragons - like Daeron the Daring, Addam Velaryon (and his brother Alyn), Ben Blackwood, etc. He probably wanted to be as glorious as they were. Baelor's piety is not that big of a mystery. Some people are just very devout. I think the viper incident in Dorne greatly shaped his later life decisions, though. What wit he'd got left vanished.
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