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  1. For Mern IX Gardner to have had all his possible successors accompanying him at the Field of Fire is ridiculously foolish. The World of Ice and Fire - The Reign of the Dragons: The Conquest Shouldn't he have left at least one of them behind at Highgarden (a designated survivor so to speak)? They had to have known they wouldn't have much of a chance against dragons, seemingly having had no defense against them. In the days leading up to the Battle of Hastings, Gyrth had suggested to King Harold, that he be the one to engage William of Normandy in the field and that Harold, himself, face him in London. Harold ignored such advice, and he and two of his brothers died at Hastings. Harold had sons who had apparently survived him, and are only said to have disappeared from history in the 1070's. One possibility is that they didn't all die at the Field of Fire, but Maester Yandel simply had to erase their names from history to appease House Tyrell. After all, he did minimize the roles Ned Stark and Stannis Baratheon played in Robert's Rebellion to placate the Lannisters.
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    Who really won the WotFK?

    Like the Wars of the Roses, there didn't appear to be any winner. One side won militarily, there would be an extended time of peace, and the losing side would rise back up again. And we could argue until we're blue in the face when these two conflicts came to a definitive end, the Wars of the Roses more so since England didn't have the Others to worry about. Show Melisandre may have foreshadowed the deaths of all five kings when she said, "This War of Five Kings means nothing." Book Melisandre warned that other pretenders would rise up in response to Stannis begrudgingly offering to those Northmen and Ironborn who would kneel to him. As was the case with the Dance of the Dragons (also happening on the eve of a devastating winter), no one truly won the War of the Five Kings, but entirety of the Realm lost.
  3. We could also throw in the seemingly arbitrary change in the birth order of Jaehaerys and Alysanne's children, including and especially replacing "Aeryn" with Daenerys. The first Daenerys was then regarded as heir to the Iron Throne, either as a queen in her own right or as a future wife of her brother Aemon, only for her to die in childhood, And of course the contemporary Daenerys becomes Daenerys the Never Crowned. Even if book-Dany doesn't go down the same path, the short life of the Darling of the Realm could foreshadow the Mother of Dragons never sitting the Iron Throne.
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    Did Ellaria Sand know Elia Martell?

    It's possible that Oberyn and Ellaria met in Essos since that would fit the birth of their oldest daughter. But is it established besides something Shae told Sansa that Ellaria is at least half Lyseni? But who's to say she didn't past history with the Martells, being the daughter of a Dornish bannerman?
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    Doesn’t Sam still belong to the Night’s Watch?

    That sounds about right, considering Tywin wanted Jaime to quit the Kingsguard to be restored as heir to Casterly Rock. Plus, there don't seem to be any consequences of Sam allegedly impregnating Gilly or stealing books from the Citadel, assuming that's public knowledge.
  6. Both characters' stories start off portrayed in a more positive light. Daenerys starts off as an exile in Essos, forced by her brother Viserys into marrying Khal Drogo. Rhaenyra was named heir to the Iron Throne by her father Viserys. She was known as the Realm's Delight, much like the first Daenerys was known The Darling of the Realm, and many lords were seeking her hand in marriage. Alicent and her family are seen as the ones scheming to usurp Rhaenyra's birthright, just as Cersei is Dany's obstacle to claiming the Iron Throne once she arrives in Westeros. Then the Dance of the Dragons and Dany's war of conquest begin, and things go downhill for both Rhaenyra and Daenerys. When Rhaenyra finally does claim her throne, the Iron Throne is said to have "rejected" her, having cut herself on the spikes, just as Dany finds many don't welcome her as she expected. During her time as de facto Queen, Rhaenyra becomes known King Maegor with Teats, a far cry from her childhood sobriquet. She is forced to abandon the Red Keep and return to Dragonstone, where she is roasted by her half-brother Aegon's dragon. Daenerys goes totally nuts and massacres King's Landing and talks of conquering the rest of the world. She's Queen of the Seven Kingdoms for all of five minutes when her nephew Aegon (Jon Snow) stabs her in the heart. Both Rhaenyra and Daenerys are then succeeded by kings known as "The Broken"--Aegon III, the Broken King and Bran the Broken. One of the chapters in Fire and Blood covering the Dance of the Dragons is titled "Rhaenyra Triumphant" and is immediately followed "Rhaenyra Overthrown". The penultimate episode of the series could have also been titled "Daenerys Triumphant" and the finale titled "Daenerys Overthrown".
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