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  1. stannis had a vision of himself wearing a crown and burning with it ( maybe dany kills him)
  2. silverwolf22

    Is Young Griffs invasion filler?

    he wants a blackfyre
  3. https://makerkenzie.tumblr.com/post/173306972125/why-jaime-even-killed-aerys-i-dont-get-the/embed a conversation ( I agree with makerkenzies thoughts Jaime is 17-years old now. Jaime doesn’t despise himself. Jaime isn’t thinking about being the Smiling Night. He’s a 17-year old kid who has spent at most two years in the Kingsguard. He literally thinks of himself this way years and years later after spending most of his life as the despised Kingslayer and man without honor. He despises himself because he was forced to break his vows. Aerys only made Jaime a “monster” in that he had to break his vows to kill him. Unless Jaime is a time-traveling fetus, I have no idea what you’re talking about. *Jaime* isn’t the character who has stood by for years and years watching Aerys grow madder. That’s literally the rest of the Kingsguard. Jaime is the kid who just got there and is still at the point of questioning all of the bullshit around him. warsofasoiaf Jaime disagrees. “It was that white cloak that soiled me, not the other way around.” -ASOS And what are the things he dwells on about his tenure in the Kingsguard? What could have caused him so much trauma that the highest honor in the land soiled him? “You swore an oath to guard your king, not to judge him.” -ACOK “We are (sworn to protect Queen Rhaella), but not from (Aerys).” -AFFC And does he hate himself for his roughly two years of Aerys’s service for soiling him? Does he think that the boy in him died when he put on the white? “ And me, that boy I was … when did he die, I wonder? When I donned the white cloak? When I opened Aerys’s throat?” -ASOS -SLAL guileandsubterfuge Nope. You’re using the thoughts of a 34-year old man who has spent 17 years in the Kingsguard and suffered from his choices and seeing the hypocritical way his act is treated, to somehow guide the actions of the boy he was. You’re trying to argue that Jaime killed Aerys out of some sense of self-loathing or as revenge for Aerys turning him into a “monster”, That’s one hell of a reach and it’s simply wrong. Jaime killed Aerys to stop him from destroying King’s Landing. It’s that simple. He chose one vow over another - which is the whole point of his later speech. warsofasoiaf If you actually read the original post and understood it, you would already know that I do not disagree with the notion that Jaime killed Aerys to stop him from destroying King’s Landing. It’s right there, explicitly mentioned: “Stop Aerys from ordering anyone else to set off the blaze, some loyalist to go down with the ship and consume friend and foe alike. Get a surrender out so the sack ends as quickly as possible, with as many lives still around to be saved. That is true.” But *gasp* Jaime is a complex character with a complex blend of emotions, and he can have multiple reasons for doing any one particular thing both conscious and unconscious. You paid no attention to what I wrote, so I’ll extend the same courtesy. Consider yourself ignored, I’m done with your flailing. -SLAL guileandsubterfuge Wow. I was trying so hard to not make it personal, but you have literally NEVER been able to objectively discuss or analyze Jaime and while the rest of your content is typically good you have a Jaime-sized blind spot when it comes to Jaime. I would love to be able to ignore you, but honestly, you are the person I most think of when I think *Someone on the internet is wrong* and I feel a deep obligation to counter your blatantly wrong ideas and meta when it comes to Jaime. Hopefully, other people can step forward to counter your continued wrong interpretations. makerkenzie Jaime had to kill Aerys, rather than allow the rebels to take him into custody, for the same reason that he killed the other pyromancers later: anyone who knew about the wildfire caches was someone who could ignite the wildfire caches, and therefore a threat. When Jaime came into the throne room with Rossart’s blood on his sword, and Aerys wanted to know if that was Tywin’s blood, it proved that there was no way Aerys could be convinced to surrender peacefully. If there was anything less than perfectly rational about Jaime’s act of regicide as a traumatized 17-year-old, it was in overestimating the amount of power Aerys might have had following a live capture. And, you know what? I think we can understand why, under the circumstances, teenage Jaime didn’t have the time or space to be perfectly rational. He’d spent the last two years having to enable Aerys in all sorts of atrocities up to and including his actually setting up a giant nuclear bomb under the city. All this while the older KG knights were telling him that yes, he should just stand there and do as he was told. It was clear that adults were not in charge and Jaime was the only one with the backbone to stop the bomb from going off. He wasn’t in a position to work out a calm and rational weighing of risks and benefits of various responses to the king’s madness. Jaime’s situation was HOLY SHIT THERE’S A NUCLEAR BOMB UNDER THE CITY and THIS FUCKER HAS HIS THUMB ON THE BUTTON and furthermore, he could not wait for some more responsible and mature nobleman to sweep into the city and show him the way. His own father, a Lord Paramount and former Hand of the King, was at that moment sacking the city he’d just promised to defend. Jaime’s father, his closest and most powerful example of an authority figure, was throwing gasoline on the dumpster fire. Under those conditions, it would have been absurd to sit there and wait for the rebels to come in and get the king under control. The rebels were already doing the opposite. Jaime’s self-loathing as a failed knight did not come into it. His idea of himself as having become the Smiling Knight instead of (his overly idealized vision of) Arthur Dayne developed later, in response to the fallout of his killing the king. It’s comforting to tell ourselves no one can make us feel inferior without our consent, but the truth is, if enough people tell you you’re a piece of shit often enough over a long enough span of time, even if you know all those people are their own brand of filthy hypocrite, you still come to substitute their projection for your own reflection. Part of the problem with Jaime’s self-loathing as a cynical 30something knight is that he so thoroughly bought into the hype about guys like Arthur Dayne in the first place. Arthur Dayne was not an angel; you could ask Lyanna Stark about that if she hadn’t died in that tower. Jaime’s right to say the cloak soiled him, but he didn’t have the time or space to think in those terms until much later. At the time of killing the king, he wasn’t lashing out against the monster who made him become the Smiling Knight. Some things really are this simple: he saw a threat and he neutralized it. The city was under siege, and he resolved the siege as parsimoniously as he could under the circumstances. Because he resolved that siege, he was judged as a filthy oathbreaker. That was what Brienne understood when she heard his confession in the Harrenhal baths; he started behaving like a villain only after he was treated like a villain. The white cloak soiled him because his killing the Mad King led to his self-loathing, not the other way around. warsofasoiaf “…but he didn’t have the time or space to think in those terms until much later.” I actually have no problem with a lot of this piece, it’s this line that I disagree with, because why not? What prevented him from thinking in those terms? Why was he unable or unwilling to reflect on himself and his position? He has plenty of time, he was a Kingsguard knight for two years and Aerys was said to have gone worse by the Defiance of Duskendale, years before Jaime was ever a Kingsguard, so it’s not like this stuff only happened later into Jaime’s tenure. Jaime knew from the get-go that standing there and doing nothing while Aerys brutalized Rhaella was wrong, he wouldn’t have brought it up to Jonothor Darry if he didn’t, he wouldn’t have needed to dissociate just to get through it if he didn’t, he wouldn’t be so traumatized by it if he didn’t. The argument in your third paragraph, that he bought into the hype of True Knight Arthur Dayne only to discover that he hid behind his oath to absolve himself of responsibility while enabling the monster that was Aerys II and this factors into his current-day torment, is something that I agree with. What I don’t agree with is that he needed distance to reflect upon it. Nor do I think that it in any way diminishes Jaime’s conscious actions and motivations, nor do I think it diminishes his current psychological demons and self-loathing borne from being “reviled by so many for my finest act.” As I mentioned, Jaime is genuine when he believes that killing Aerys will prevent him from giving the order to detonate the city to someone else, or one of Rossart’s assistants might take it upon himself to detonate the wildfire while Aerys languishes in a cell. He also wants to stop the sack as quickly as possible and save what lives he can, he’s being sincere when he tells Lord Crakehall as much. But to argue that there was no emotional reflection for Jaime in his actions over the past two years doesn’t strike me as very likely. Jaime is clearly traumatized by the actions that transpired during his tenure, and he’s going to think about it, and have opinions for all involved, himself included. -SLAL makerkenzie What prevented him from thinking in those terms, at that time, was that he was an isolated juvenile trapped in a desperately toxic situation and he was in survival mode. He was serving as both bodyguard and hostage to a king who liked to set men on fire. It can’t possibly be healthy to be filling the dual roles of bodyguard and hostage. He was trapped between his pyromaniac boss on the one hand, actually plotting to blow up the city, and the expectations associated with his Kingsguard vows on the other hand, as well as the understanding that even if he did absolutely everything right, he could be executed if his father stepped out of line. He was just a bit preoccupied with the immediate, physical dangers pressing down on his teenage shoulders. On the day of the Sack, he had Aerys ordering the pyromancer to light ‘em up, and he had his father the notorious war criminal fucking up the city, which did nothing good for Aerys’s decision-making ability. Under those pressures, this: …is more complicated an explanation than Jaime’s actions warrant. He wasn’t lashing out at the man that had made him a monster. He wasn’t cutting at parts of his past that he hates; at that point in his life he was too busy trying to navigate the unmitigated war zone that was the Red Keep to think of himself as a monster. The predicament of his asshole father on one side of him, and that madman with his thumb on the nuclear trigger on the other side, combined with the complete absence of trustworthy adults in Jaime’s life, are easily enough to explain why the king had to die. Additionally, my position is that this: …is projecting the cynicism of 30something Jaime onto the actions of 17-year-old Jaime, which is neither useful nor appropriate. He doesn’t think of himself as having become the Smiling Knight until he’s all grown up and has gone through all of Robert’s reign. He didn’t despise himself until he went through all those years of being tarred as the Kingslayer. My position, which I understand is not universally accepted, is that it wasn’t only the trauma of serving the Mad King that led Jaime to see himself as a failure of a knight; it was the confluence of that trauma and the stigma of the Kingslayer judgment he faced following his finest act. My position, which I understand is not universally accepted, is that Jaime thinks so badly of himself because he’s spent his entire adult life being treated like a filthy oathbreaker. My position, which I understand is not universally accepted, is that Brienne revises her opinion of him following the bath scene because she understands that he only began acting like a bad guy after he was treated like a bad guy, and he was treated like a bad guy for doing something heroic. My position is that GRRM wants us to see Brienne’s reaction as the correct one, because Jaime was not always the guy who seldom flings children from towers to improve their health. My position is that GRRM wants us to understand Jaime as someone who was once a good kid who got screwed up and screwed over by people who should have known better, and those people were not only Aerys and the older KG knights; they were the nobles who treated him like Worst Kingsguard Knight Ever because he turned against his king. This may not be what you intended, but in your original response to the Ask, it sounds a lot like you’re saying Jaime was always that guy who seldom flings children from towers to improve their health, and that was why he became the Kingslayer. I’m saying: no, he assuredly was NOT always that guy, His actions as a traumatized juvenile led to his attitude as a cynical adult who fucks his sister, not the other way around. Which does not mean I’m letting Jaime off the hook for the shitty things he’s done post-Rebellion. It means I’m saying that good kid is worthy of our attention and it’s worth the trouble to understand how he got screwed up and screwed over. I am sick of them mentality thatned and cat were right about jaime when fact is both were wrong. and certain people are determined to be wrong about jaime and refuse to accept that their initial opinions of jaime were wrong to the point they persist in claiming jaime is a big narcissist claiming he is as big a narcissist as cersei when I would say he is the least narcissistic lannister. or claiming that he as a teenager thought anything he did ( specifically his killing of aerys in ) would be seen as a great deed because he is a lannister and claiming his speech about ned not having the right to judge him is prroof of his narcissism when he had a point not to mention when he used that line it wasnt a line of starks and lannisters but the animals and their nature I have seen people claim jaime has to be the valonqar because they think that cersei needs to be surprised about the alonqar and think it was the person she thought would be by hersides and bs some argument that it cant be someone who isnt related to her as if there is something wrong with the valonqar applying to any little brother which would emphasize how self fullfilling her prophecy was and how paranoid etc. https://makerkenzie.tumblr.com/post/173314611275/yes-that-does-include-ned I have seen people try to act like if the KL goes boom then its jaimes fault for not telling people about the wildfire when no its not or claiming that its jaimes own fault for not telling them about aerys plot as if they would have believed him even if he did show them the wildfire (when he didnt know where the wildfire was ) when that wouldnt have proved aerys plan to blow up kings landing it would have just proved he put alot of wildfire around the city . and tyrion never came to the conclusion that aerys was going to blow up the city. not to mention ( the people who act like there was something wrong with jaime killing aerys and saving the city was somehow wrong cant be taken seriously but I find it ironic that they claim jaime was wrong in breaking his oaths but a part of the kingsguard oath is to keep the kings secrets. though the person I am talking about ridiculously tried to claim that he didnt keep his oaths to cat when he did he never took up arms against house tully he managed to keep his oath utilizing his own bad rep to be able to keep his oath to cat by making the threat to edmure to force him to open up riverrun. ( and that person tried to act like making a threat or what he did about the blackfishetc is somehow akin to breaking his oath when it was just a threat ( he utilized his bad rep to keep both of his oaths and not be forced to break one to uphold the other.)) he swore he wouldnt fight against them not that he wouldnt threaten them etc I find the attempts to jump through hoops to justify demonizing jaime to be ridiculous neds belief that the lannisters were planning a coup is laughable on this point, Robert is right to laugh. Ned mistakes optics for context and demeanor for decision. By Ned’s own description, the Westermen could have given him a hard time riding up to the throne, but they made way. With them filling up the room, Jaime could have kept on planting his butt on that chair, but Ned didn’t even have to say anything before Jaime hopped right up. Who gives a fuck about his golden armor or his shiny lion’s-head helmet? Who gives a fuck about the dragon skulls staring down at them? One dirty look from the wolf, and the lion rolls right over. Who gives a fuck if Jaime parked his ass on that ugly iron chair, when he was so quick to give it up? If that was supposed to be a power grab for the Lannisters, Jaime sure was happy to surrender. By that logic, what a disappointment to his father. as makerkenzie states jaime wasnt a threat to roberts throne his relationship with cersei on the other hand https://makerkenzie.tumblr.com/post/165697500550/id-be-disappointed-if-he-were-mine also when ned thought about jaime being the one to push bran …and he’s all like, “You know, if I were in his shoes, I’d be lying if I said I knew I’d handle it better.” people try to ignore that quote or ignore that ned who knew the truth about the 3 kids thought it and grrm statement about it . to try and act like grrms statement doesnt apply or they try to claim jaime didnt do it for his kids and cersei trying to bring up his reaction to joffrey ( a monster who jaime knew was a monster) death which was a year after the event Here are two interviews, where George tells what he thinks about what Jaime did to Bran. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/game-of-thrones-season-3-characters_n_1854918?guccounter=1 : 2. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/george-r-r-martin-the-rolling-stone-interview-242487/ : Ned thought, If it came to that, the life of some child I did not know, against Robb and Sansa and Arya and Bran and Rickon, what would I do? Even more so, what would Catelyn do, if it were Jon’s life, against the children of her body? He did not know. He prayed he never would. -AGOT Eddard XII neds thoughts make it obvious where grrm was going with this and that jaime was sympathetic from the beginning and there were hints to it from the start when jaime said t sh"”“The things I do for love,” he said with loathing " when he pushed bran showing he didnt want to do it or like doing it but he had to ( and people try to claim cersei didnt want bran pushed when cersei did want it to happen she told jaime to do it nonverbally but she sent the message jaime
  4. https://makerkenzie.tumblr.com/post/158564745775/this-is-an-occasional-reminder-that-tywin the claim that jaime should pay for what happened with tysha is bs. have they forgotten that if tywin could make tyrion participate in it he could get jaime to lie to tyrion about paying for tysha. ( and jaime didnt know about what tywin would have happen to her) ( I would like to make some references to the show and claims I have seen people made in regards to this situation and some claims I have seen people make about it
  5. In his prepping for winter theon vids he theorized that euron molested theon as a kid ( suggesting that is the reason for theons bad memory) what are your thoughts on that theory plus there are some similarities between aeron and theon Theon Greyjoy. They are the youngest sons of their respective Greyjoy lord fathers. And, after suffering deeply traumatic events during war, they each become completely different from the men they were before the war started. Specifically, Aeron was a fun-loving, hard-drinking rake who became a humorless, grumpy and devout priest after he was revived from drowning in a sea battle, and Theon went from a cocky young warrior to a crippled, ugly, half-mad shell of his former self after he is captured and relentlessly tortured by the enemy. and the reason for aeron being a hard drinking rake was probably due to euron molestation which led to aeron drinking to drown the trauma. so it would be a parallel if euron also molested theon
  6. victarion is a foil To Jaime Lannister. They are both among the greatest warriors of the current generation, and command fearsome reputations as well as Names to Run Away from Really Fast. Both are deeply conflicted over their lovers’ alleged infidelity, stress over their place in Medieval society and how people perceive them, and undergo major personality changes after suffering a traumatic wound to their hands. Jaime is seen as dishonorable for slaying the Mad King ( as a kingsguard his oaths (the law ) killing aerys goes against it ) , who was going to burn King’s Landing to the ground, whereas Victarion beat his own wife to death to secure his honor (”He says that as an Ironborn male he had to follow the law”) after his brother had his way with her and he is respected by his culture for doing so while victarion followed the law and killed his wife and his culture wouldnt see him as dishonorable for it while if he broke the law and spared his wife his culture would see him as having stained honor. jaime broke the law/oath to do something good and is seen as dishonorable for it . Jaime is cunning, witty and charming, while Victarion is conventional, dull and not too bright. Also, Jaime loses his hand and later resolves to be a better person* to and , but when Victarion’s maimed hand is healed and changed by Moqorro, he becomes less honorable and duty-bound and more brutal and self-serving. *(( before due to how he was treated as dishonorable jaime took on the let me be evil trope “It’s no secret that Jaime thinks he’s a shithead. You’re treated like a bad guy by enough people for a long enough time, you’ll come to see yourself as a bad guy..“ its one of the main reasons why he had became who he was at the start of the series and only had his family to turn to and actually be close to etc as makerkenzie once stated in a post they made on the tumblr site or the cloaksoiledhim blog etc)) I think jaime and victarion being foils with each other will be showcased by jaime not being the one to kill cersei. this theory that jaime will be the one to kill cersei is partly inspired by the thought that the prophecy can only apply to her biological brothers jaime and tyrion even though it says the valonqar not her valonqar meaning it can be arya, victarion, or euron etc. by claiming that if tyrion did it it would just prove her right in her mind ( it would be a self fullfilling prophecy) or claiming jaime killing her would be the only thing thats meaningful to her as if there is a limit or bringing up cerseis similarities to aerys ( ignoring how the text also had compared loras with jaime I have seen people claim that its impossible because cersei doesnt trust loras/tyrells ( ignoring that aerys didnt trust lannisters) claiming it would be a repeat ( but every one of those theorys has jaime die with cersei bringing up cerseis line about them dying together as if cersei cant be wrong about more than one thing ( plus their connection started being cut off symbolically when jaime lost his hand) and jaime cant live long after cersei dies. jaime and cersei showcased their differences by how when they were put in danger cersei wanted jaime to come to her so that if she dies so will he while jaime used cersei as motivation to live. not to mention trying to use jaimes justified anger and thoughts of hitting cersei as proof ignoring that you can want to hurt someone and imagine it without actually doing it like has anyone here ever want I want to has anyone ever said while upset I am going to kill him https://makerkenzie.tumblr.com/post/176709540810/is-that-the-limit-of-whats-meaningful-to-cersei
  7. the theory that in deep geek made was that brandon was angry at littlefinger ( and possibly knew about cats sister ) and attacked him and LF said what he could to live and divert brandons anger to someone else
  8. thoughts (please watch the vid before you say what you think of it (its titled Robert's Rebellion was built on a lie. Whose lie? plea
  9. to you claim that he is becoming tywin lannister not ned quote @Arthur Peres thats weird. He’s not becoming Tywin. Except perhaps in the sense of learning from his dad’s positive examples as a leader, and oddly enough, not everything Tywin did as a leader was bad. People are judged as good or bad based on their actions; actions are not judged as good or bad based on how we feel about the person. If Jaime picks up the occasional good idea from his dad, that’s neither bad nor the least bit unusual. But he’s not “becoming Tywin,” that’s ridiculous. As for his “not becoming Eddard Stark,” I’m just like…he’s not supposed to become Ned. Just like he shouldn’t be trying to be Arthur Dayne, he should be trying to be Jaime Lannister. Ned set an outstanding example in many ways, but if we want a leader who’ll live to a ripe old age, we need someone who’s different from Ned. he is on a path of redemption with affc being the prelude. and the claim that he broke his oaths to cat are bogus he deliberately made use of his reputation and the fact people will see the worst of him so that he wouldnt break his oath to cat to be kept from taking arms against the house by making the bluff about edmures kid etc . (and no threatening edmures kid isnt breaking the oath nothing he did there broke his oath to cat no matter how much you stretch or bend over backwards to make the claim ( which I have seen people do alot with jaime and refusing to admit their previous opinions that eddard or cats thoughts of him were wrong ( and you went to the point where you claimed jaime was in the wrong for killing aerys and claim he is as narcissistic as cersei when no he isnt and I cant take you seriously if he has any amount of narcissism its minor at best with it being lower than tyrions and tywins and cerseis. while jaime loved cersei cersei saw jaime as a reflection of herself and as close to having sex with herself as possible she would rather jaime die with her than live without her while jaime would want cersei to live on. seriously people are so desperate to see the worst in jaime that they try to stretch everything jaime saws or does into narcissism like claiming that jaime thought that killing aerys would have been seen as a great deed because jaime lannister did it or claiming that jaimes quote on there being no men like him as narcissism when no it isnt narcissistic (him showing a self loathing and hate for people hating him for his finest act I know if I were Jaime Lannister being called Kingslayer, having people revile me for my finest act would being accused of profaning my blade would sooner or later make me feel alone and cause me to hate myself. No amount of good looks, skill with a sword and cockiness would be able to prevent feelings like that. and I am annoyed at people trying to twist jaime not telling people about the wildfire as a sin and that if anyone gets hurt its jaimes fault when no ( and refusing to accept the fact that its likely that people wouldnt believe him that even if they saw the wildfire they wouldnt take that as proof that aerys planned to burn kings landing to the ground ( just like they didnt when they found some in the sept ( or not accepting that ned should have asked jaime why he killed the king. or even understand why jaime took neds ( who lost his father and brother to the mad kings cruelties ) look at the time so hard plus the fact that its likely that he felt guilty over standing by aerys other atrocitys like raping his wife or what he did to neds father and brother jaime took that and understood how people would treat him from now on. jaime is an example of someone who was treated badly and it led to him deciding to then let me be evil trope The entire kingdom looked down on him for breaking his oath and killing the Mad King Aerys, giving him the mocking name of Kingslayer and an undeserved reputation as a scheming, treacherous backstabber- even though Aerys was about to have all of King's Landing (the capital city, with a population of about 500,000 people) burned down out of spite. After years of being called a monster for what he rightly considers his "finest act," it's not hard to see why he eventually chose to become like that out of cynicism which shows him to be a better knight than barristan who to this day doesnt think he did anything wrong letting aery's abuses go by ) if he hadnt done that he would have been forced to break his oath against cat to keep his oaths as kingsguard and family (when anyone would be hurt over that ) when he has the right to expect sexual exclusivity now that roberts dead given the promise tyrion is the one becoming tywin Jaime killing the king was a “moral” act. He ignored his kingsguard vows (protect the king) in order to uphold his knightly vows (protect the innocent) He has spent his whole life since suffering for doing the right thing. Jaime knew from an early age that doing the right thing was more important than keeping to the letter of a vow. Just like Ned and probably Jon (I agree with your point about Jon not using a loophole) Jaime sacrificed his honour in order to do what was right. jaime's spent over a decade getting shit on for doing the right thing, it’s only natural that he might start to think that being “good” is a fool’s game. ( and even then he knew how bad throwing bran was it outright stated in the text that he said the things he does for love with disdain ( which foreshadowed there being more to jaimes character ) and grrm outright had ned and cat sympathize Ned thought, If it came to that, the life of some child I did not know, against Robb and Sansa and Arya and Bran and Rickon, what would I do? Even more so, what would Catelyn do, if it were Jon’s life, against the children of her body? He did not know. He prayed he never would. -AGOT Eddard XII How fitting after all that it was Ned who thought this, the Ned Stark who Jaime loathed and yet whose approval he kinda craved with why they did with what they did which is what george wanted
  10. roose is a sadist he is like ramsay but roose just keeps more control over it there are hints that he's probably just as much one as his son is, if with slightly different tastes. He's a lot better at hiding it and/or rationalizing it within the setting of Westeros. Westeros certainly does give plenty of opportunities for a clever sadist to get their fix without it looking too much out of place.
  11. he didnt weild arms against house tully he did everything he could to avoid that by getting brynden to surrender without breaking his oath leading the army to take the castle doesnt break the oath the only thing tat would count is if it went into an actual battle that would be breaking his oath to catelyn (and to be honest the fact that he was drunk and had a sword at his throat means that it wouldnt be a legitimate oath ( and even then it would be a case of conflicting oaths which he brought up before since he was duty bounded to kingsguard () ( and his cloak did soil him he was forced to stand aside and watch aerys commit atrocities ( like with neds brother and father or raping his wife which traumatized him ( while seeing people touted as honorable do nothing to stop it https://cloaksoiledhim.wordpress.com/ )
  12. silverwolf22

    Prediction: Jon will become a direwolf

    what if instead of jon snow killing tyrian paralleling siegfried slaying fafnir maybe its jaime @Platypus Rex
  13. https://makerkenzie.tumblr.com/post/184019060810/would-you-say-tyrion-is-a-narcissist-and-out-of https://makerkenzie.tumblr.com/post/184169148280/jaime-lannister-first-of-his-name-tyrion-is/ And the immediate answer is…it’s tricky to explain. But I’d like to talk about something sort of adjacent, and maybe that’ll help shed some light on my rankings. One major question, regarding my endgame prediction of Jaime as a provincial king, would be: why does Jaime become king, and not Tyrion? I don’t want Tyrion to die young, and I don’t expect him to die young. I don’t want Tyrion to be marginalized, and I don’t expect him to be marginalized. I see Jaime as king of the Rock and Tyrion as his Hand. So, then: why does Jaime get the crown, and not Tyrion? The big difference I want to talk about here is that Tyrion has picked up Tywin’s caring too much about what people think of him. Tywin did not want to be loved. Tywin wanted to be feared. He wanted to be seen as a force to be reckoned with. He slaughtered the Reynes and Tarbecks because they were not sufficiently respectful of the dignity of House Lannister and he decided to make an example of them. The case can be made (and it has been made, if I recall) that a lot of the decisions he’s made since then are about personal vendetta rather than political strategy. He sacked King’s Landing to punish the Targaryens for all the indignities he suffered as Hand to Aerys II. The murder of Elia Martell and her children maaaay have had something to do with Tywin’s grievance at Aerys refusing Cersei as a bride for Rhaegar because “servant,” so that’s something to think about. Also, his abuse of Tyrion is built around his insecurity at how House Lannister is viewed with a dwarf in the family. He makes a lot of noise about the tragedy of Joanna’s death, but plenty of noblemen lose their wives to obstetrical complications and they don’t abuse their children. Tywin brutalized and underutilized his cleverest child because he didn’t like the image of his family with that. It’s a waste. A leader who’s too concerned with making people view him a certain way is a leader who is too easily manipulated and has his priorities out of order. Tyrion is not just like his father. Tyrion wants to be taken seriously as a thinker and an administrator, yes, which is fine, and he also wants to be seen as a decent person, rather than a twisted demon monkey. This is not a moral judgment on Tyrion. It’s not even a criticism. It’s simply an observation that…Tyrion makes decisions based on wanting to be seen a certain way. He approached his marriage to Sansa with a bit of the old savior complex, which is not the worst way to approach an arranged marriage to a 13-year-old hostage, but Sansa recognized that Tyrion wanted to be seen as “kind,” and that was one of the ways that she was able to hold him at arm’s length while she plotted to escape the city. A leader who is too concerned with how he is viewed is one who is too easily manipulated. Tyrion is also the one who killed his father as revenge for railroading Tysha. I don’t fault him for killing Tywin, per se, but I do fault him for leaving Cersei, of all people, in charge of the realm. Tyrion is the one who is actively goading fAegon into invading Westeros ahead of Daenerys. He’s pissed off at how he’s been treated by his family (understandable), so he’s actively putting the realm in harm’s way. Bad priorities. Not the right energy for the top seat. And then we have Jaime. I’m not saying Jaime “doesn’t care” about what people think of him; he cares very much. But the way he makes decisions in relation to his concern about his reputation is very different from his dad and his little brother. Jaime is the guy who was so desperate to have Brienne trust him that he…poured his heart out to her about how he became the Kingslayer. He correctly judged that Brienne was a good person to have on his side, so he gave her his trust and that won him her trust. This is healthy behavior. This is proportional. This is accountable. Meanwhile, we have his approach to the Riverlands and especially Riverrun in FeastDance. I don’t think his actions at this stage are redemptive unto themselves. I think his handling of the Riverrun siege is a prelude to his redemption. From the beginning, his objective is to hold to his vows to Catelyn Stark to never take up arms against Stark nor Tully. We can debate later how his actions actually honor the spirit of the law in this case, but the point is, he cares about doing right by Catelyn. That he cares so much about keeping his promises to Catelyn, when he doesn’t expect to be rewarded socially, economically or politically for doing so, tells us a lot about what kind of personality we’re dealing with. In this situation we see Jaime struggle with his ego and ultimately win. He sort of wants to do single combat with Uncle Brynden (terrible idea) just to prove that he’s still a fighter, but he doesn’t do it because he is a functional adult in a position of responsibility. Ultimately, Jaime’s decisions are about accepting his reputation rather than trying to change it. He assumes he will always be seen as the Kingslayer, Oathbreaker, Man Without Honor, and rather than punish his conquered foes for their prejudices, he asks himself: okay, what can I do with this? Rather than build his strategy around forcing the Tullys to see him differently, he utilizes his reputation as the Guy Who Always Does the Worst to enact minimal violence against the Tullys without actively committing treason against the family regime. (The treason against the family regime comes a bit later, and we’re still waiting to see how the book version pans out.) Anyway. The general idea is that Jaime is a lot more willing than Tyrion to put the interests of the realm above his own ego.
  14. this just popped into my head but does think tommens love of cats is foreshadowing that he will be killed by nymeria sand ( who uses knives) going out the same way as rhaegar and elias daughter who also had a pet cat and was stabbed to death
  15. I know I was just saying the tyrells we know about like mace , olenna, margery etc will die