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    Marston Waters, most decisive Lord Commander EVER

    One reason I eager expect fire and Blood tome 2 is to know what happened to Unwin Peake.
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    Marston Waters, most decisive Lord Commander EVER

    About Marston fearing Aegon, I think everybody knows the Broken King wasn't the vengative type. For example after becoming king AFAIK, he never acted against Unwin Peake. He was aware of the fact the kingdom needed reconciliation, not reprisals. Healing the war wounds was his primary objective.
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    Marston Waters, most decisive Lord Commander EVER

    In face of evident evil and treason, I suppose the commander of the Goldcloaks could arrest even the Hand of the King. Especialy if the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard supports you. But to take control of the Iron Throne you need a man close enough to power. That's him: Marston Waters, only member of the Private Council still alive. Waters spent most of the time trying to convince Aegon to leave Maegor's tower. And probably stopping idiots like Gareth Long from simply assaulting the place. He never showed any tendence to cruelty, so sitting in the cells to watch Lord Rowan being tortured wasn't his style. He was exposed only to the "results" on interrogation: an all-out confession. And he believed it. In my opinion Ser Marston didn't control the show. The Peake gang controled the Golden cloaks, the torturers, even the training yard and the maids! All were Unwin's people. If he had simply ordered them to obbey, they would had killed him. That's why he first used Rowan's men (knights and soldiers). Next some servants joined him (like the ones Mervyn Flowers killed). Good point about Maester Munkun. If Marston wanted Flowers dead (or arrested), he would have simply ordered it. At the end of the day mostly everybody obeyed him. The fact he tried to convince ser Mervyn of surrender says 1) he wanted someone to support his version (probably) or 2) believed Flowers was like himself, someone lied/bullied to join Peake gang. Mervyn Flowers wasn't the worst person in all this ruckus, but was clearly Unwin's man.
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    Marston Waters, most decisive Lord Commander EVER

    Being a Green, per se, doesn't make you automaticaly evil. Period.
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    Marston Waters, most decisive Lord Commander EVER

    In my opinion Marston was as naive as Selmy, or more. The Peake clique could and did make many things, but they couldn't get any Kingsguard and make him Hand of the King. They lacked legitimace. On the other way, the Kingsguard Commander can take power in times of crisis. Even being a bastard, Waters had been Commander for years and a member of the Private council. Peake's gang were only middle level officers. While Aegon disliked Waters, he probably didn't say anything of it. I think Waters was innocent. Maybe deliberately ignorant. Probably poor Rowan was brutaly tortured before Waters spoke to him, and what he said convinced Ser Marston of the existance of a Rogare conspiration. Later when Vyserys keen questions showed the truth, Ser Marston was shocked. It's interesting that the first move Waters made was attacking the black cells. There he freed Rowan's men. The only he can trust. He probably lacked any other possible help, with the Peakes controlling the rest of the Red Fortress. Waters last mistake (believing Mervyn Flowes had any honor) shows Ser Marston had some degree of ideals. That's why Peake lied to him, instead of simply buying him.
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    Who was the Biggest Villain of the Dance?

    Aemond was clearly the most bloodthirsty character. Clearly a mad Targaryen. Everything about him claims "villain!": distinctive visuals (lacking an eye)? Check. Impressive power (having a dragon)? Check. Arrogant and foul-mouthed? Check. Cruel and vindictive? Check. Many others had their part of guilt, but Aemond was clearly the most eeevil. Rhaenyra was also bloodthirsty. But the narrative gives little exposition to her vile acts. We only hear "many heads appeared on pikes". Even the forced prostitution of her haf-sister and mother-in-law is only a rumour.
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    Greatest battle commanders at the start of ASoIaF

    I agree that Stannis is the best commander, for the moment. If what Tywin was treachery, how can Robb Stark considered a hero? He never won a pitched battle. Just ambushes and night attacks. Killing someone in pajama (like Steffon Lannister) is hardly epic stuff. Tywin won wars by being better prepared, making long-term plans and not leaving anything to chance. Khal Drogo doesn't deserve being in any list. Except in chest-beating, maybe. The only battle we read about didn't show any tactical genius. He killed two rival chiefs. None of them had any reputation as warrior, so no merit there. Defeating Lazharene is easy. They are pacifist sheppards. If Dothraki only prey Lazhaar people, they reputation is undeserved. I don't get why people is so impressed by them. Gengis Khan had a highly organized army. Khal Drogo a horde of shirtless raiders. No matter how many bells they rang.
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    Marston Waters, most decisive Lord Commander EVER

    Peake's gang controled the court, the goldcloaks and the city. But none of them was a Regent or a Small Council member, so they needed the Lord Commander to gave their coup some legitimacy. One thing is having orders from the LC, who is also Hand. The other is acting on your own. Everybody hated the Logarre, so they had a good pretext. I think they always knew Lord Thaddeus was a loyalist. In fact, Peake was angry with him for taking "his" place as Hand of the King. Waters showed surprise when Lord Rowan
  9. Being able to surprise a foe is a trait of the best commanders. Remember the Young Wolf. Oaekenfist is a sailor, not a diplomatic or a trader. The krakens were expecting him, yes, but Alyn had better ships and probably superior numbers. Also Dalton has to divide his men to keep his conquests. Greyjoys are reavers and sackers. But kidnapping a girl and ramming a galley are completly different things. Dalton had never fought a sea battle. Just individual one ship vs one ship combats.
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    Cregan Stark: the fool wolf

    His duty was to assemble his levy and join his Queen. The Hightowers and the Lannisters were a threat for the Blacks during all the war. And Cregan believed no war is over until you kill the entire enemy house, including toddlers, so I don't think he thought he wasn't necessary. Cregan's work for preventing winter problems were laughable. The first months of winter were enough to start a famine in the North. Robb Stark assembled 20.000 men in a much shorter time, and he was a boy, not a man like Cregan. In only one year he had time of winning three battles, conquering three castles, geting married and getting himself murdered. Cregan needed two years only to assemble 8.000 useless peasants. I've the feeling it was lord Dustin who organized the Winter Wolves and went south. The Manderly's help also moved by their own decision. With Lord Hairy permission, of course. But without any special help: no Stark rode with the Wolves. Cregan could have joined them with his cavalry, but nay. Glaciers have their own slow rhytm. Cregan is perfectly able to intimidate a 12 years old lad, that's for sure. I'm sure he was a holy terror at the school yard. Jace was a kid, and a very diplomatic one. And if he only stayed in Winterfell for a month, and married a bastard girl (despite his mother needing marriage aliances), he was simply fool. Being able to get rid of an uncle isn't exactly a feat. That was just a noisy weekend in Winterfell. The Stark army was more of an horde, I think. The last thing the devastated Trident needed was a plague of bearded locust. With or without them, the North starved the same. How did he pretended to conquer Storm's End when they deserted at the first chance? When I read that chapter, I was wishing the Lads made short work of them. Black Aly managed him at her whim. It wasn't geting a good match. It was being seduced by a young girl. There Cregan showed how laughable it was his commitment to "justice". Give him a pretty lass and he forgets about "avenging" Aegon's murder,, and about his genocidal fantasies. That story only shows Aly was a smart lady, and Cregan was a fool. Becouse planning about destroying Lannisport and Oldtown is short of genocidal. So Cregan get a wife, yes. And the Rivermen, the people who really fought and bled for two years, the people who suffered Aemond's dragonfire and smashed Criston Cole, only get 8.000 thousand hungry bandits. No matter what Gyldain says: a peasant widow with a burned field doesn't need a new "pagan" husband, who is almost a homeless. She needs a knife to get rid of him. That's what probably happened. Probably the northerners who established themselves at Raven's Tree were more lucky.
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    Cregan Stark: the fool wolf

    Personaly, I prefer Fool Wolf or Lazy Wolf... One thing is mocking Lord Stark and the other one is mocking Lord Frey, an upstart. I agree that Stark was real slow and without any good excuse. His vassals Lord Dustin and Lord Manderly moved quickly (in my opinion, by their own decision. And in Manderly's case, motivated by a marriage's promises). Stark maybe feared Aemond and his dragon. Or he simply was utterly uncompetent. I mean, he spent two years gathering provisions for winter, but there was famine in the north just the next year.
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    The Kingsguard doesn't precisely shine in FaB

    The Hound doesn't abuse Sansa becouse he is fixated with her. With his last breath, he was sorry he didn't rape when he could. That's real Kingsguard stuff. Sandor has killed all kind of innocent people, and doesn't show any remorse. The Hound hadn't problems working for Joffrey. He deserted simply becouse he knew he would be punished for his coward conduct during Blackwater. Kidnaping Arya and menacing her with beatings isn't chivalric stuff. Sansa idealism had some influence on him? Sure he was impressed by her innocence. But not enough to change his spots. Has he changed? The Seven knows. But too little, too late. Having Clegane in the KGs shows how low it has sunk the institution during Joffrey's reign.
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    What do you think of Aegon III?

    I must say I really like your theory about the end of the dragons and Aemond's son.
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    What do you think of Aegon III?

    About Viserys and Aegon: the youngest brother clearly had influence over Aegon, but it's never mentioned he was the real power. Tyrion Lannister (based in "Life of Three Kings") believed Viserys only started being a real decision-maker during Daeron II. Having royal blood isn't enough to become a king. Remember how Saera's sons and Maegor's bastard hadn't a chance during the Great Council of Jaehaerys. The same way, Jon Snow is of no consequence if he lacks Stannis' suport. Without noble attendants able to proof that the wedding happened, it doesn't matter if Aemond and Alyn married or not. That's why many people prefered a "new" Daeron than Aemond's son (probably: also the son was probably just a kid).
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    The Kingsguard doesn't precisely shine in FaB

    Sorry to disent but... where is the growth? We were made to feel some sympathy for him, but he remained the same person all the time. After losing control at Blackwater, he fleds for avoiding punishment. In his way out, he could have killed Sansa Stark, but she managed him. Later, the Hound kidnapped Arya Stark, and kept running until he was hurt at the inn's fight (mostly becouse he stupidly get drunking before an expected fight). Where is the personal growth? It's just going down in a self-destruction path. Our perception of the Hound evolution, but Sandor himself remained the same dog. If he is still alive in the books, we will see if he grows up. It not, well... The woods are full of beasts, like Tywin and Tyrion said.
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