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  1. Jeyne Jeyne

    Arya, Jeyne and the Uncloaking

    Why do you think Massey won't be able to get out of the Wall situation? I also think Massey is bound for failure but I'm leaning more towards him not be able to acquire the sellswords Stannis tasked him with.
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    Gendry King's Landing King

    Most of my personal theories are very flawed since I tend to hyper focus on my favorite characters that I ignore the surrounding characters that have as much significance to certain events/possibilities. But the other leadership roles people here suggested seems more like Gendry!
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    Arya, Jeyne and the Uncloaking

    I remember reading that when I was seventeen it must have left a bad impression :/ . But back to Jeyne, it's not like I think she is vain/shallow or that her nose getting the chop would be the sole reason for her not wanting to live anymore, it's a possible supporting reason. Her having a facial scar would be the final straw for her. Her father is dead, she's been abused in all gruesome ways possible and with only the pretense of her being someone else protecting her for now and then having the tip of her nose cut off may be what makes her lose hope in ever living a life she wanted. But there's the holes I've pointed out already with this theory of mine. How would she learn of the temple's pool? How could the subject be brought up organically? Would someone conveniently speaking the common language mention it in passing? Lots of missing pieces! Read the Lamp theory and I'm coming around on the Stannis ice lake booby trap theory. It has pieces that could easily be connected and with that exchange between Theon and Stannis it just seems even more likely. [You have no high ground here, no walls to hide beyond, no natural defenses.” “Yet.”] But I'm not too sure about Stannis whipping out LightBringer for the absolute most extra laser-light-show. I thought the theory was building up to just using the false light trick to lure the Frey army onto the ice and that's reasonable and clever but the LightBringer blinding the army seemed out of place with the rest of the theory. How would Stannis avoid blinding people from his army? Was he suppose to stand there and just hold up the sword while closing his eyes? Admittedly I skimmed the rest after reaching the LightBringer charging part. I thought the burning of RattleShirt made the sword light-show possible because people were tricked into believing RS was Mance.
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    Arya, Jeyne and the Uncloaking

    From what I remember a thirteen year old Dany initially said no and Drogo kept touching her until he got the response from Dany to continue which read to me like a forced consent but this is a fantasy book so fantasy world rules apply.
  5. Jeyne Jeyne

    Arya, Jeyne and the Uncloaking

    I googled the theory as soon as I finished reading your summary of it! It seems too interesting a theory to pass up reading! And I'm flip flopping so much on this now! Mance killing Ramsay seems a bit too impersonal. Lady Dustin and Theon have stronger and deeply personal motives to want Ramsay brutally torn apart by dogs. I think I phrased that weirdly. I meant Arya not physically being there but still having such an effect makes her too involved for her not to show up and in person have an even bigger impact. Like her warging Nymeria and pulling Catelyn out, Catelyn becoming Lady Stoneheart/Mother Merciless, Arya having names like Cat and Mercy, and Arya learning mercy from Sandor, it all is leading to a reunion. Possibly a reunion of Arya giving the gift of mercy to Mother Merciless. That's the thought process I have for connecting all these pieces we have so far. Like with how Arya warges into Nymeria, the Frey's lie of Robb's men turning into wolves at the wedding, Nymeria having a large wolf pack unafraid of men in the River Lands, meat becoming scarcer, meat is meat even if it's from humans,men are prey to the wolves and a possible Frey wedding. It's all there it just needs to be connected. There's also Lady Stoneheart in the River Lands and the Brotherhood without Banners hanging Lannisters and Freys. All connected to Arya who is all the way in Braavos. The Ugly Girl came to them and asked for the gift for herself. How would she ask for the gift of death if her father killed her? The hideous crunching noise is from her father caving in her cheekbone beating her not from her death. The memories and nightmares are bits and pieces from the face's owner. That wasn't the Ugly Girl's last memory it was one single memory. [“Her father beat her so often and so brutally that she was never truly free of pain or fear until she came to us.” “Did you kill him?” “She asked the gift for herself, not for her father.” You should have killed him.] I've never understood why people thought Arya was a psychopath, she only kills people who are immediate threats to her life and actual monsters like Clegane and co and like you pointed out she's incredibly empathetic towards others. She's shown kindness and protectiveness of others more than she's actually killed. Good point about other characters already set up to finish what they started! The northmen already have their plans in motion but they still need to get Rickon. It's a sad book, there's Catelyn who only wanted to protect her family and now she's Lady Stoneheart hanging children for just being associated with the Freys and Lannisters, Tysha, the Mad Huntsman's wife and sister, the Ugly Girl, Weasel, the woman and her son and plenty of others. Sansa still has people helping her, she still has hope and lemon cakes and friends. Jeyne Poole only has Theon who might be getting beheaded. No one is protecting Jeyne, they're protecting Arya. And if I'm recalling correctly her family might even be dead, I think her father was already murdered but it's been a while since I've read the earlier books. ¿Also GRRM handling rape in a respectful way? Dany falls in love with the man who raped her. George writes detaily about Dany's thirteen year old body in such a gross way. He also does the same for Sansa. The man's books are a good read but he's still has flaws with his writing, especially when it comes to his perverted detailed descriptions of female children's bodies.
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    Arya, Jeyne and the Uncloaking

    Like Mance I never considered Theon but both make sense and both have the means and motive too! Lady Dustin also has a motive to want Ramsay dead. With Lady Dustin empathizing and defending Theon they could team up and take out Ramsay together. Lady Dustin motivated by the murder of her nephew and Theon for the torture and abuse he had to endure.
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    Arya, Jeyne and the Uncloaking

    I'm a little eeh about the Stannis-surprise-ice-attack. It seems, imo a teensy bit too chance based for someone like Stannis to take a possible risk on but small details that seem so out of place or strangely focused on usually lend to having significance later on. I think in regards to the Bolton's defeat not only would the uniting north families come into play/ be one of the factors however Roose may have some counter to "push back" but I think the one who would actually be a complete surprise to Roose and Ramsay is Lady Dustin. She is someone they wouldn't have suspected a betrayal from since her hatred of the Starks is seemingly stronger than her hatred towards the one responsible for her beloved nephew's death. [She was fond of my late son and suspects you of having some part in his demise.] [Lady Barbrey is a woman who knows how to nurse a grievance.] Imo the the northern houses and Lady Dustin would be the end of Roose but Arya will kill Ramsay. Arya is too connected to the Boltons and North without even being in Westeros. [I would sooner my men die fighting for Ned’s little girl than alone and hungry in the snow, weeping tears that freeze upon their cheeks.] What would be the point of her witnessing Jaqen murdering Weese with his own loyal dog? So Mance could kill Ramsay with some sausages? What is the point of Arya reliving the horrible abuse of one of the faces she wears? For us the readers to know how Arya wants to kill sadistic people? We already know that about her, it's already been an established character trait since before her list. Jeyne has no other significance besides being force to impersonate Arya, once Arya reclaims her identity, what purpose does Jeyne serve? I guess the other reason she could still be significant in the story is telling Sansa how much of a monster Petyr is but Sansa already has seen what Little Finger is capable of. Jeyne is a character who fixates about beauty. She thinks she was pretty but not as beautiful as Sansa, she gets upset about having similar enough features to Arya because Arya had a horsey face, and recalls how beautiful Theon was. How can Jeyne be happy if the tip of her nose is removed? If the possibility of Shireen's cruel death exists why not Jeyne's? Both girls are completely innocent and undeserving of such sad endings but so were the mother and child captured by Clegane and co, so was the Mad Huntsman's wife and so many more minor non POV characters. But like you pointed out it would take Arya till possibly the ending chapters of Winds to reach WF. Also that was a fun theory to read! I've seen that theory of Dany legitimizing Edric, getting rid of Stannis's claim and it makes so much sense!! There's so many possibilities for TWOW. I tend to focus on favorite characters, ignoring that other characters exist and are also connected to certain plots. Sorry for all the run on sentences and my horrible grammar mistakes, hopefully it's all still readable.
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    Arya, Jeyne and the Uncloaking

    I wonder if Arya might actually be able to make the dogs "target" certain parts of the body too. There's the little detail of Weese's dog messing at his ear maybe it's because Jaqen possibly put something in there or maybe it was some other faceless man trick but I may be reading too much into it. [Finally someone brought a crossbow and shot the spotted dog dead while she was worrying at one of Weese’s ears.] Although if I'm remembering correctly the dog attacked Weese's throat first not his ear ( my own little "theory" fell apart so quickly). Thank you for telling me about the show spoiler thing!! I'm new to posting and just skimmed the help thread.
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    Arya, Jeyne and the Uncloaking

    Same. This theory is kinda grim. I would love if Jeyne in the future books could overcome her abuse, reunite with Sansa and live out the rest of her life peacefully but it may be too optimistic for a story like ASoIaF.
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    Arya, Jeyne and the Uncloaking

    Arya's gonna kill Ramsay (maybe, I think). With Justin possibly not being able to leave Jeyne at the Wall with Jon either dead or barely clinging to life after being Caesared, he might take her with him to Braavos to keep her (and the chance of being Lord of WF) safe. Somehow, Jeyne hears about the HoBaW temple's suicide pool. Admittedly I can't Imagine how Jeyne would be able to obtain this information about the temple's pool or even understand the language (if I'm remembering correctly the people of Braavos speak a different language). Jeyne may want to peace out after she gets the tip of her nose cut off and loses all hope about moving on with her life and/or just can't continue living after what Ramsay's done to her. Arya sees Jeyne's face on the wall at the HoBaW and wears her face for some reason and is able to relive Jeyne's memories. [Then came a tug and a soft rustling as the new face was pulled down over the old. She could feel her heart fluttering beneath her breast, and for one long moment she could not catch her breath. Hands closed around her throat, hard as stone, choking her. Her own hands shot up to claw at the arms of her attacker, but there was no one there. A terrible sense of fear filled her, and she heard a noise, a hideous crunching noise, accompanied by blinding pain. A face floated in front of her, fat, bearded, brutal, his mouth twisted with rage. She heard the priest say, “Breathe, child. Breathe out the fear. Shake off the shadows. He is dead. She is dead. Her pain is gone. Breathe.” The girl took a deep shuddering breath, and realized it was true. No one was choking her, no one was hitting her. Even so, her hand was shaking as she raised it to her face.] Arya being Arya, the same girl who put Raff the Sweetling on her list after (and amongst two other reasons) hearing him boast about raping a thirteen year old in front of her father , would want to inflict punishment on a person like Ramsay. Also when Arya is experiencing what the "Ugly Girl" went through she thinks the girl's father should've been the one dead. [“Her father beat her so often and so brutally that she was never truly free of pain or fear until she came to us.” “Did you kill him?” “She asked the gift for herself, not for her father.” You should have killed him.] I Imagine at some point all is this is happening during the Uncloaking festival. Arya finally taking off her "mask" and reclaiming her identity and the uncloaking/removing of Jeyne's forced acceptance of Ramsay's cloak as Arya Stark. Arya wearing Jeyne's face catches a ride with Justin and co back to Westeros. Ditches Massey and goes to WF to kill Ramsay. Arya kills Ramsay with his own dogs but not because the dogs were hungry but because Arya would have learned how to kill a man with his own dog with the faceless men (like how Jaqen kills Weese). [His ugly spotted dog stood on his chest, lapping at the blood pulsing from his neck, and every so often ripping a mouthful of flesh out of the dead man’s face. “Damnedest thing,” she heard a man say. “He had that bitch dog since she was a pup.” Arya lifted her gaze from the dead man and his dead dog. Jaqen H’ghar was leaning up against the side of the Wailing Tower.] Also Arya has a lot of similarities and parallels to Artemis (Goddess of the hunt, moon, the wilderness and wolves/stags) who kills a man with his own hunting dogs so a bit more "evidence" for Arya killing Ramsay. I know there's plenty of holes in this prediction but I do think at the very least Jeyne is definitely headed towards Braavos and Arya killing Ramsay. Also sorry for the janky format and if it's hard read/doesn't make sense.
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    Gendry King's Landing King

    I understand how Edric Storm is politically more (far more) important than Gendry but he's just as much a minor character as Gendry. Also this silly theory of mine heavily depends on fAegon taking the throne and for Dance of Dragons 2.0 to happen . Since fAegon has no dragons maybe he'll fight with wildfire instead or maybe Dany's dragon fire unintentionally sets off the caches of wildfire, destroying the city. With the destruction of the war between fAegon and Dany plus the pillaging and brutality the people suffered from the previous war imo people would be rightfully fed up and done with Kings/Queens and war. The people would want to govern themselves, theres already the Mad Huntsman taking charge to protect his people after the atrocities he's experienced during the war.
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    Gendry King's Landing King

    It was a popular theory back four years ago. What's the endgame theory you subscribe to? Also what's the flavor of the month popular theory now? I've been out of the loop, avoiding any ASoIaF theories/predictions since it was usually based more on the show than the actual books.
  13. Jeyne Jeyne

    Gendry King's Landing King

    That's Gentry not Gendry. Gendry is derived from the old french word "Gendre" which meant son-in-law. But honestly either works for Gendry
  14. Jeyne Jeyne

    Gendry King's Landing King

    Yep, if any kind of legitimizing happens it's a long way off and an unlikely possibility but Gendry comes from a long line of men who've done the unlikely. But yes I agree with everything you pointed out. I just always found it weird that some people assume Gendry would somehow become lord of Storm's Land even though there is Edric.
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    Gendry King's Landing King

    That's an interesting option I never thought of. I could see Stannis thinking of bastards changing to something less harsh but I think he loves his daughter too much to ever marry her off to someone below their social class. I think Stannis was more disgusted at the fact Tommen was a bastard of incest than just solely being a bastard. Edric seems more likely since he and Shireen are closer in age and already get along as cousins. But for Stannis to legitimize Gendry seems out of character. I mean Stannis killed his own little brother because he usurped him. He might be more wary of any possibility of another relative trying to do the same as Renly. Also Gendry already knows and gets along well with a certain high born girl.
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