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    Daenerys the Terrible?

    What happens in S08E06 is that Daenerys loses her grip on herself: she knows she's won, then she threads on the brink between mercy and revenge... and decides she wants blood, basically initiatiating the slaughter of King's Landing. Her troops follow through. The point D&D tried to make is that she had turned evil, became a tyrant like those she was supposed to fight and defeat in order to "break the wheel". It was done badly (extremely so) and it ended up being a complete and utter betrayal of Dany's chracter.
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    I just finished the GOT books!

    It's funnny how defending yourself and those who can't defend themselves gets framed into simply "being violent" when it comes to Daenerys. In the books Dany did exactly what she had to do, no more no less. She does things she doesn't want to (like marriage in Mereen...) trying to preserve peace, at every turn people betray her and kill those dear to her or the people she's sworn to protect. THEN she reacts. She often tries to do things without shedding blood but her enemies simply can't leave her alone and she is forced to use violence. Try to imagine how someone like Tywin would have acted in Dany's place... he would have been proactive instead than reactive, which would have meant a lot more death in the end. But no, thanks to 3 episodes of the TV series now there's people who convinced themselves Dany always was a mad tyrant. Dany's a dragon, she can defend herself and she will defend herself, but for some people even that seems to be too much which is baffling to me.
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    Ned/Jon

    It's shrouded in legend but the myths say he built the Wall, Winterfell and helped build Storm's End. https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Brandon_Stark_(the_Builder)
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    Ned/Jon

    Can't be done actually. It was built by Brandon the Builder using magic and with the aid of giants. Westeros does not have that kind of magic anymore and all giants are now extinct.
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    Aegon TWOW

    I'm partial to the theory Aegon is a Blackfyre. This means he's got a chance at controlling a dragon but is not actually a Targaryen. If that's true, the moment it becomes common knowledge Dany will have the justification she needs to call him an usurper.
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    The Future of Melisandre

    Melisandre's character main failings are her fanaticism and hubris. She's a 400 years old shadow witch who can generate powerful illusions, survive poisoning, doesn't need to eat anymore, can summon shadow assassins and has some sort of prophetic abilities. She's ineed powerful, but she's also human. She prefers to see herself as the unfailing tool of her god but she assumes her choices to also be her god's, and is surprised when they turn out to be wrong. Melisandre has cryptic visions that could be helpful... potentially, yet her fanaticism and hubris lead her to the wrong interpretation so she often makes the wrong choices with dire results.
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    Robert Baratheon - Not so bad after all

    Robert was not an actively bad king because he did not really care for the title. He was not a good king either. He was deeply dissatisfied with the throne. He was a warrior not a leader of men, he thought his unhappiness was due to losing Lyanna to Rahegar and having to marry Cersei but in truth he was just not cut for the job (Lyanna herself knew this as she told Ned "love is sweet but cannot change a man's nature", she knew that in time Robert would have cheated on her... as he later did with Cersei). In the end Robert Baratheon, first of his name, was a slothful and wrathful ruler (when it come to Targaryens at least), he let the lords of the 7 kingdoms do as they pleased as long as they did not openly defy him, let the Lannisters grow too much in power and generally let everyone do as they pleased... which led to his court becoming a nest of vipers. He was not as bad as Geoffrey would have been, or Cersei or Aerys the second was, yet his inaction and absence of rule allowed corruption to engulf the realm and made his own fall and the war that followed possible.
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    Protagonist suddenly goes crazy in last chapter of epic

    Most probably it's a clumsy reference to Niccolò Macchiavelli, "The Prince", where Macchiavelli wrote that for a ruler: “it is much safer to be feared than loved because ...love is preserved by the link of obligation which, owing to the baseness of men, is broken at every opportunity for their advantage; but fear preserves you by a dread of punishment which never fails.” Yet for Macchiavelli the subject was not so simple as apparently referenced by D&D. In fact he elaborated on it quite a lot. The following sums his reasoning up much better: "It is better to be feared than loved, if you cannot be both." In Dany's case D&D wanted her to choose to rule by fear because she has no one's left she feels she can trust or loves her and portrayed the (complex) subject in their own clumsy manner.
  9. Nowhere it's written that Aegon I married his elder sister Visenya out of "political convenience". On the contrary, he did so because that was Targaryen's custom ("Keep the blood of the dragon strong") and because of prophecy ("The dragon has 3 heads") although it's true he did not love Visenya like he loved Rhaenys. The Andals were very much against incest and poligamy. This would bite the Targaryen in a short few years with the raise of the Faith Militant and with the Targaryens being branded as "abominations". For Aegon it would have been politically convenient not to marry his sisters, let alone both of them. Yet he did and he could do that without much repercussion because he had the strength to do as he pleased with 3 full grown dragons and the defeat or surrender of most of the realms of Westeros (Dorne being the only exception). Note that Visenya had the same power as Aegon. She commanded a dragon only slightly less powerful than her brother's, she was better with the blade and she was rumored to be capable of casting spells. She never contested the right of Aegon to be the king. Beside this note how Visenya never acted directly against her brother's son. She never openly contested Aenys' right to rule. She was an hard woman and considered him soft, and certainly believed her son Maegor would have made a better ruler but she did not act to subvert Aenys. Maegor was exiled because of the political outcry for him taking a second wife (Alys Harroway after Ceryse Hightower), Aenys aggravated the Faith against himself and his House by marrying his son and heir Aegon to his eldest daughter Rhaena. He was forced to flee King's Landing and Visenya suggested he retook the city by raining fire and blood on it (which seems what Dany is ready to do btw), yet Aenys was indecisive and when he discovered his daughter and son were besieged at Crakehall Castle his health took a turn for the worse and died (some claim he was poisoned by Visenya but that's not a fact, it's gossip). Then yes, Maegor came back and took the Throne usurping Aegon's right, and rained fire and blood on anyone who dared oppose him.
  10. Nope or at least not in Europe. The Roman Empire was big on slavery but christianity was not. During the middle-ages christianity was basically THE religion of Europe and it discouraged the practice of slavery. It still existed in some areas like Ireland (and outside Europe) but generally speaking it was substituted with serfdom. A serf was not owned by another person but at the same time he/she had very few rights and a lot of suties to his lord and his land. In some ways if you were a skilled slave during Roman Times you had it much better than what a Serf had to deal with in the middle ages...
  11. Actually... it depends. Prisoners of war IF highborn were usually treated well and with curtesy, kept as hostages and exchanged with other prisoners of war and/or ransomed. Lowborn prisoners of war... there was no such thing most of the time. They were usually killed or taken as serfs. Keep in mind, in medieval times life was cheap. An horse or a good hunting dog were often considered more valuable than a serf.
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    Arya analysis and predictions

    She's basically saying to him:"I'm never going to become a Faceless Man". Look at his smile, A faceless man is "no one". That's how they can take someone's identity in such a perfect way. And they become "no one" in order to follow their own "religion" (there's only one god with many faces... death). Arya reclaims her own identity instead of abandoning it. She refuses becoming one of the Faceless.
  13. Do I need to point out how Visenya was older than Aegon the conqueror and yet he was crowned king despite her being better with a sword than he was AND probably being able to use magic as well? It's true the Targaryens were not as patriarcal as the Andals (and probably the first men, although the wildlings are the closest things to their descendants and they have spear-wives) but they still seemed to favor the male heir (that said, Targaryens were NOT a really important family in Valyria, they were actually a minor house, who had a member with a prophetic vision that warned them of the Doom. They sold their possessions in the Freehold and placed their seat in Dragonstone. Then the Doom happened and they were the only fully fledged Valyrian noble family to survive unschated). As for the patriarchy vs women in Martin's fiction: of course they struggle, Westeros is a medieval-like society with middle-ages Europe values. The fact they HAVE to struggle against social conventions is what creates conflict and allows us to understand the greatness of many of such characters despite them not prevailing, keep in mind the same can be said for Jon, Robb or Ned. They are good and honorable... and they fail to accomplish their lofty goals because of this and the rigidity of their values. Personally I like this as I admire people who stick to their convinctions even when faced with great personal danger, but it's undenaible Martin makes a point of showing us how that way of doing things can and does have terrible consequences for the ones making the decisions and for those who depend on them.
  14. Westeros has a law that says the male heir always takes precedence over the female, regardless of the respective ages. That law was fully supported by Westeros' main religion, the faith of the Seven. That was actually extremely important in the history of Westeros. There were wars of succession fought because of this. In Dorne a woman has the right to rule as much as any male. They retained this law as one of the conditions set to join the rest of the kingdoms under Targaryen rule (they did via marriage). In the books, the dornish planned to use Myrcella as their own candidate for the Throne because their law allowed the female heir to be considered for the Throne and therefore gave her a better claim thanTommen's.
  15. The show is a mess but applying contemporary political values and logic to a fantasy story set in a quasi medieval world is simply wrong and biased in the extreme. Martin did not write completely "good" or "bad" characters he wrote "human" characters. Yes, Cersei is willing to do anything for power and her family, she's arrogant and spietful, yet she's also a mother who loves her children dearly. Ned and Jon are honorable but they are also rigid and this sets them to fail time and again (Ned dies, Jon dies too and needs to be magically resurrected). Jaime does monstruos things "for love" yet he also grows into one of the most honorable knights in the show, and so on. And Dany? Dany is a woman who suffered much, who's been teached her destiny is to take back the Iron Throne and was hailed and believed herself to be a saviour of mankind. She's "good" because she doesn't want people to die needlessly, she's against slavery and is not . She's also wrathful and believes herself to be better than others ("blood of the dragon"). She's now losing the people she loves and trusts one by one which enrages her even more and makes her chatacter's flaws stronger and mor eprominent, which in turn will probably lead her to unleash her fury on all those she thinks oppose her. As everyone else in ASoIaF Dany is not "good" or "evil", she's "human". The point Varys and Tyrion made in season 7 to stop her from taking King's Landing is she should not win the throne by killing thousands of innocent people. She agreed, and paid the price for it. The northeners needed her to beat the White Walkers but now they balk at her requests of help. Besides, the person she loves turned out to have a better claim than she does to the Throne she believe to be her destiny and now she fears (rationally actually) that he can take it from her. This causes her to act more rashly and in doing so she seems to prove the fears of those who doubt her sanity and fitness to rule. It's a self fulfilling prophecy, and yes, Dany is a victim but that's probably what Martin intended from the very beginning for her AND for Jon. There's not going to be an "happy ending" for these characters. And yes, that sucks to a certain level, but that's what the author intended and I dodn't think he did so because of some misogynistic tendency from Martin. He just not writing a tale where the "good guys" win in the end, he aims for something grittier and darker than that, and it's exactly how he wrote the series from the very begining, like it or not.
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