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I just have a legit fear that Jon is gone for good in the books.

Why? It's not like his death is ever confirmed in ADWD. Martin loves to end his books with characters in apparent mortal peril. I don't particularly believe that Jon will need resurrecting, but even if he does in the books, doesn't the shows track record with magical elements suggest it's far more likely that Ding and Dong will rewrite the scene so he just... survives his wounds?

The rage of StanStans is hilarious. He'll show up next week. Calm your tits. They haven't actually fucked him up in any way by delaying the latter half of the battle.

VHAT A TWEEST!!

Oh yeah, that's right, ITA on The Wall stuff this week. I was so happy with everything else, I totally forgot Jon and the sealing of the Wall. WTF? Now I am worried about Grenn's fate, I think that could be why they had Jon say that. How they will have him do the 180 on such feelings later??? and IF they even will......I'm scared to contemplate.

And yes, the leave out stuff like Only Cat......cause they can. I think they do it to irk people sometimes, quite frankly. Or, to try their hand at writing, ROFL!!

I have mixed feelings on the sealing of the Wall because it's diametrically opposed to Jon's later stance as well, but it does make a certain amount of sense at the moment? The tunnel is the one point where Mance's army can breach the Wall right now and if it's sealed, then Castle Black can hold back the attack for significantly longer. It's an appropriate solution for this situation where it's not a feasible solution for the situation after Mance's forces are beaten and scattered.

It's not like I'm saying the show makes Jon out to be totally lackluster. Yes ,he has made friends and defended them from Thorne's taunts, was made Mormont's steward and defended him against the weights, and infiltrated the wildlings. These are acknowledgments. What I'm questioning is now that HBO has Thorne and Slynt at Castle Black, how is it that Jon will be in charge during the Wildling attack? So far, unlike the books, Jon's sisters don't think back and adopt his traits that helped him cope at Winterfell. Arya remembers Jon's kindness, Sansa thinks of how Jon was when she plays Alayne. We are now at the point in the books where Jon separates himself with his knowledge, courage and general ability from others at the Wall. It's sad to see that the script writers have written in Thorne and Slynt's arrival there before the battle that distinguishes Jon.

I think it's very likely that Jon will manage to show his abilities off during the upcoming attack on Castle Black. Alliser and Janos's presence can actually be used to accentuate them. Due to how the battle's been changed, there will be simultaneous fighting on multiple fronts -- both defending Castle Black from the raiders and holding the Wall against Mance's army -- and I think it's very likely that Jon will end up as the sort of defacto leader in one of these engagements. He can distinguish himself there and, because of the sort of people that Alliser and Janos are, it'll have a profound impact on how his brothers view him.

Sounds like a set of really cool chapters. Still wish they'd been ADWD, though. I love Barristan, man, can't wait to see more of him in TWOW.

And where most fans judge a new character on his/her smarts/strengths/ability to play the Game of Thrones, you see... tiddies. And whether they're big enough, or nice enough. I say again... jesus christ... :ack:

There are pages of people whining because Asha doesn't fit into their definition of attractive. This is hardly surprising.