thepooperthatwaspromised

What about Tyronn?

Since he's pretty much the star of the series, he doesn't really need a spinoff , though Game of Scorn: Inside the Lannisters would be pretty sweet.

After this season, I've come to believe that you've captured the general attitude of the show runners: what are the important plot points? How can we build to them?

The problem with this approach is that they've come to neglect consistent and compelling characterization. I can understand why this is so tempting (there are *a lot* of characters)... but in the end it's the characters that make us *care* about the plot.

So it's not just people wishing they'd be true to the books; there's a real deficiency here.

:agree: Of course, I'm not sure how true Jaime intended to be towards his vows at first, but this is a major change for them. For Brienne in particular, Sansa is essentially this goal of her quest.

Of course a lot of the tension and threat has been removed from Sansa's storyline this season (she's got Shae, TV!Tyrion is practically one of those idealized true knights, and the Tyrell's are still hanging out with her) so who knows...

I think you are seriously overestimating how much care the show will put into character motivation.

i think someone else pointed this out but - where's she gonna go? I suspect they'll change it to her choosing to stay or some such until the purple wedding, there's no immediate reason to get her out of there...and then, petyr takes her before brienne can.

:agree: Of course, I'm not sure how true Jaime intended to be towards his vows at first, but this is a major change for them. For Brienne in particular, Sansa is essentially this goal of her quest.

Of course a lot of the tension and threat has been removed from Sansa's storyline this season (she's got Shae, TV!Tyrion is practically one of those idealized true knights, and the Tyrell's are still hanging out with her) so who knows...

A Harya, Dandry & Braime (Hound/Arya, Davos/Gendry, Brienne/Jaime) spinoff would be worth all the jewels in Qarth. :bowdown:

I was not going to weigh in on the whole Talisa issue because the argument seems to have devolved into an argument of preference vs. substance...BUT I do need to point out that the sheer number of people (both sullied and un-) who just don't buy R&T's love story is pretty clear evidence of an unsuccessful storyline. Regardless of whether you "liked" Talisa, or even Jeyne for that matter, not enough people bought into it, which makes it an inarguable failure. Maybe the pooch was already screwed...maybe Jeyne really was just a plot a device and the opportunity to make a more compelling love interest for Robb just couldn't be supported by the time and story constraints already in place, but inherently good writing makes you buy into it. And in a series (both TV and book) that provides so many relationships that fans would pay to see, when that doesn't happen for the majority of the fanship...who can legitimately argue that it's NOT a failure?

And while I don't feel the vitriol that so many do for Talisa, and I did cry salty crocodile tears when she named the baby and when she died, most of the great love stories in ASOIAF and GOT are earned over time (Dany/Drogo, Jaime/Brienne, Cat/Ned, etc). Mostly, we are urged by the series to suspect the "love at first, (or even second) sight". R&T's romance was as close as you can come to that without venturing into naive, beautiful Sansa territory.

BUT, my original posting reason isn't even about Talisa, it's about Cat/LS. Deepest apologies if someone already covered this, but regarding whether or not Michelle Fairley will be back:

From Buzzfeed:

So Catelyn is dead, but in the books, she is not actually gone! She becomes Lady Stoneheart! Who has deep gashes in her face from scratching herself, can’t speak because her throat was cut so deeply, and was in the river for a few days before being brought back to life. She marauds around killing Freys, plus anyone who might have done the Starks wrong, and appears occasionally going forward. Have you talked to Dan and David about Season 4?

MF: Well, you’ll just have to keep watching. You’ll have to keep wattttttcccchhhhin’.

The way Lady Stoneheart, zombie Catelyn, is described — she’s completely insane, basically.

MF: I’m completely insane, so it mightn’t be too much of an acting stretch!

Were that to happen in the show’s future, would that be fun?

MF: No one knows, no one knows. Sorry, Kate!

Oh my god — I’m asking IN THEORY. You mentioned before that at the end, Catelyn is purely consumed by vengeance, and that seems to be the after-death version of her. Which seems to be great fodder.

MF: Of course. For an actor to play something like that, I think visually it would be incredible. How do you portray evil, vengeance, lust for revenge? What does that do physically to a human being, what do they end up looking like? How do they attain it? The embodiment of that is something that would be incredibly exciting. Even evil people are justified. If you’re playing a character like that, you have to find a way of liking them.