Alexander the Drake

I just put up a non-canon disclaimer template for the video game stuff (both Cyanide RPG and Telltale), and it seems to work okay: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Template:Game Feedback welcome either here or on the Template's discussion page. The wording could probably be improved, but hopefully it clearly gets across the message that while the video games are based upon the books and show, there's no major input into them from GRRM/HBO or further involvement with the originating canons, and that this site/wiki remains primarily focused on the books (and show, to a certain extent) but provides the additional info about the official spin-off products as a courtesy to interested visitors.

Yes, that seems like a good approach. House pages to collect the characters and related "new" locations in the game, and maybe a couple of other overview pages for additional items which don't fall under the scope of the Houses, and split off the game version from canon original. Maybe a small page about the usages and appearances of book-canon characters and events mentioned within the game, briefly describing what they do in the plot but noting that it's just a cameo in a derivative work and is not relevant to their canon personality or the actual history. In certain ways, the French wiki seems a lot more comprehensive, e.g., their absolutely beautiful articles on the homages and references within ASOIAF and the IRL historical and literary inspirations for certain characters and events. But they take a somewhat different (and much more uniform and strictly-enforced) approach to what kinds of info they decide to present and how, and while it's wonderfully organized and marvelously informative, it wouldn't be suitable for this wiki. Which is why I like the idea of consolidated overview pages with redirects, which I think would work better over here. I'd suggest a combination of: 1. Disclaimer warning banner across the top of each page. The wording for this would need to be worked out, but I might be able to make set of preliminary templates this weekend, if someone else doesn't beat me to it. 2. Character and location info consolidated under pages for their Houses or other affiliation groups. Other significant gameplay items like special swords or prophecies to go under a miscellaneous general overview page with a title that makes it clear that it's a list of game-only things. 3. A standard phrase or a footnote for the 1st topic sentence of each House or other dedicated article reinforcing that the topic subject does not appear in the novels, only in the game. And maybe footnote as well for the first mentions of characters from other Houses that appear in a mixed context where an occurrence is being described in a section which also involves a canon character or event like Robert's Rebellion being used as part of the backstory for the Lord of the game House. That way, whatever it is will be easy to distinguish from any book-referential stuff that makes a guest appearance and is mentioned in relation to some plot point in the game. 4. Category for game-only stuff like Nittanian's example upthread of the Category: Characters from the TV show only. Additional nice-to-haves but not at all necessary: 5. Maybe a game-only template at the bottom showing how those Houses are placed, similar to the ones we have for the canon stuff, like: Houses in the Game of Thrones video game Noble Houses of the Riverlands: Harlton Other Houses of the Westerlands: Sarwyck | Westford 6. Maybe appending (video game) to the article titles for stuff, if there might be any chance of confusion for a similarly-named canon item.

Myself, I think it might work best to have a hybrid approach of a small set of separate disclaimered subject listing (but not individual entry) pages under their own category, giving relatively fleshed-out overviews for characters, places/items, and events introduced by the non-canon material, with clear titles like "Events occuring only in the Game of Thrones video games". Or maybe doing something like "House Sarwyck (video game)". That way, the main game articles don't grow too long for people who just want some basic info on what the premise/release/platform availability of them is, but people who'd still like to know more could find everything they need. Personally, I think that if we do it right, it will actually be more helpful, rather than less, for distinguishing what's book-canon or not if we have the game/RPG/other info up. Someone asking in the forums "I heard that Jon Snow sends a ranger out on a mission to do X and Y and they wind up having an awesome fight with the wildlings, what book did that happen in?" could get a reply of "That didn't happen in the books, but the wiki says that it's one of the campaigns for the RPG Night's Watch supplement." and a pointer for more information, in case they end up wanting to play it. Otherwise people might wonder if it comes from a teaser in an interview or unreleased excerpt material or some other source that might be more canonical and perhaps think that the wiki just hasn't gotten around to updating with it yet; especially if it was some sort of plot point that involved one of the book-canon characters to advance the game plot. Rhaenys_Targaryen's suggestion of redirects to overview pages seems like a much better idea than just relying on "thing not found" search results. And Nittanian's suggestion of keeping the pre-existing non-canon House pages but moving the detailed non-canon character info for the members onto them, and splitting House Forrester into canon and game versions is also good. If in the future, some of the House Forrester characters show up by name in TWOW, for canonicity-determining purposes, perhaps it could be handled by adding a footnote to their listing in the House Members stating that X Forrester was pre-existing in the non-canonical video game, so it's unknown how much of their character history from that might apply, but here's a link to read more about it on the video game version of the House page anyway. I'd additionally suggest having the character name or similar redirects go to the top of the page, rather than to an anchor link within them, so that anyone redirected to the page will see the disclaimer first. They can then scroll down to the TOC to navigate to the House or group for the character. For what it's worth, the French wiki does cover both Telltale and Cyanide games, with different disclaimers. Here's a couple of examples of how they do it: The category which separates all the video game-only additions (House Forrester, as they have been mentioned in ADWD are not filed here, but their own page has a disclaimer at the top that part of the information is game-only): http://www.lagardedenuit.com/wiki/index.php?title=Cat%C3%A9gorie:Jeu_vid%C3%A9o http://www.lagardedenuit.com/wiki/index.php?title=Maison_Forestier There's a basic list of character additions incorporated into the main article for each game (no disclaimer, since it's an article about the game itself): http://www.lagardedenuit.com/wiki/index.php?title=Game_of_Thrones_-_A_Telltale_Games_Series#Personnages http://www.lagardedenuit.com/wiki/index.php?title=Game_of_Thrones:_The_Role_Playing_Game#Personnages_jouables And each character/House/other page concerning the game has a very clear disclaimer banner at the top, and then the 1st sentence of the topic carries a footnote reinforcing that whatever it is is not part of the books, but only the video games: http://www.lagardedenuit.com/wiki/index.php?title=Cerenna_Westford http://www.lagardedenuit.com/wiki/index.php?title=Duncan_Tuttle There are separate disclaimer banners for each game. The one for Cyanide adds that the information in the game was approved by GRRM but not written by him, so it may be considered semi-canon with regards to the books. The one for Telltale outright states that their version is a spinoff from the TV show and might possibly be considered semi-canon for that, but has absolutely nothing to do with and are completely non-canonical for the books. Their approach seems like a good and well thought-out balance of giving solid info about about the derivative works, while making it clear what they are in relation to the source books.

Sure, why not? Separate lists for each different game, and an overall category for "Video Games" to mark them off. I know that sometimes when I'm looking at fannish discussions online and somebody mentions an obscure-sounding character or event that I don't immediately recall, I wonder what it is and where it came from. (And whether or not I've missed some new preview chapter or con reading tidbit or the like.) Over here, it usually turns out to be something from the app or a portion of the World Book that I skimmed over, and easy enough to find out more about on the wiki. So it seems like it would be really useful for visitors to be able to punch in "Sarwyck" into the searchbox on the wiki and come up with the standard page saying that there's no specific entry for Sarwyck on the wiki, but your search term was found on the following pages: "List of characters and Houses originating in the Game of Thrones video game" and easily know for sure. And this is the official fandom site and I think it would be nice to have that kind of info about the officially licensed spin-off products somewhere, even if it's not nearly as important as the actual book stuff and shouldn't be given as much prominence on the wiki.

With regards to the video game info being placed on a books-centric wiki, I'd personally vote to consolidate all that info onto a single page or set of pages along the lines of "List of Houses and characters appearing in the Game of Thrones video game" or something similar. That way, the individual entries won't take up extra pages and/or be mistaken for the core stuff, but at the same time people who were wondering where a certain character/House/place came from (books, show, other) would be able to find that information upon doing a standard search. This seems like it would be something that it would be useful for the wiki to have and falls under the scope of its canon-centric mission and would help people determine what's actually part of ASOIAF or not. And if GRRM ever does include mentions of any of the thus-far video game-only stuff in further works as speculated upthread, then the information about those particular additions would be readily available to be copied to an official page for whatever shows up. I'll mention that the French wiki does seem to include all the video game info, on separate pages within their own dedicated categories. They mark them off with an infobox at the top of each page clearly warning that this particular set of information pertains to the GRRM-approved video game only and does not come from the books, and they footnote the on-page references to all the "new" characters and other items by stating the same again. It's all very nicely laid out and easy to understand, with little chance of confusion, IMHO.

IMHO, the roll of arms isn't at the same level of canonicity as, say, the appendices to the ASOIAF novels for a number of reasons. 1. It wasn't incorporated as part of the supplements to the story from the outset (as, say, extra pages in the the final issue of the comic book), or in text form as an appendix to the original THK novella or its respective reprints. 2. It appears in at least two different variants (with differing versions of some arms for the same character, cf. the details of Walder of Woodmere's entry on the wiki), and only a portion of it is available in the latest reprint version of the THK GN currently in print from JetCity. 3. It includes in-joke arms like GRRM's own and those of the adaptation writer/artist/publisher, who probably weren't actually supposed to be there competing at the Ashford Tourney, as IRL rolls of arms for particular tournament events usually tend to record the people who are entered for the jousting and other activities. (Though a few of the famous ones are basically illustrated lists of the important attendees, but those seem to have been for sieges and negotiations and the like.) YMMV, but until more of the details from it get repeated at another source such as the World Book or further D&E novellas, I'd personally consider it semi-canon with those potentially subject to change, on a more peripheral basis than the World Book, and probably put a note to that effect on any significant-seeming info from it I added to the other entries on the wiki.

As the wikifier of the original list, I too would love to see the images of the extra pages, even via PM. I knew when compiling it that there were different versions going around, and meant to track down and incorporate the rest. But the local library which had the older edition of the GN turfed their copy before I could properly consult it, and before the JetCity reprints came out, all the OOP editions were horribly expensive to even buy, much less have shipped outside the US, and I couldn't find any concrete mentions of exactly which supplements came in which versions, so I kind of gave up on that notion. Incidentally, both the French and Spanish translations also only have the 2-page version of the roll of arms, and they became my actual original source. Anyway, thanks for clearing up something I've always been kind of curious about. As regards the new additions to the list, anyone have any particular opinions on whether or not to separate out Ser Alyn Garner, Ser Corwin Rogers, and Ser Howard Pyle, who seem very likely to be in-joke tributes referring to the authors of The Owl Service, the Chronicles of Amber, and The Merry Adventures of Robin Hood, respectively into a subsection just above where the GN creators who're also on the roll are listed? Or maybe just add a footnote reference beside their names, since they may well exist within Westeros in much the same way as House Jordayne of the Tor and the two houses based on Jack Vance's books do, and one day show up as a cameo in the stories proper.