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    Rhaegar's final words

    What if we remove the threatrics and perceive what is actually happening. They are two men who are fighting with one enraged at the other over a slight. I could imagine Robert and Rhaegar's final battle to have some dialogue in between the attempts of trying to murder each other. Remember, even Oberyn, who KNEW that Gregor Clegane raped his sister, still spoke to him during their trial by combat. Particularly, he was trying to get Gregor Clegane to say Elia's name, the one who he harmed. Perhaps Robert, in his fury and rage, was trying to get Rhaegar to do the same thing; to confess and give the name of the woman who Robert believed he harmed; whereupon Robert, in his madness, swung his warhammer so hard and smashed Rhaegar's chest in. Possible? or tinfoil?
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    Capable Northern Commanders.

    I think the problem in trying to find a military commander in the North is that they are fighting a completely different enemy than the rest of Westeros. They fight for reasons that are far different than the other Houses, be they small or great. In the North, when the cold winter comes and food grows short, the elder men of a family or House will say they are going to go "hunting" and will return when they have something. Everyone knows this is false. This is the Northern way of cutting down the number of mouths to feed when winter comes. To go "hunting" during the winter is to go out and die in hopes of saving food that could save your family. No other place in Westeros has to contend with the cold as much as the North does. They base their entire LIVES around this season. Ironically, it's the cold that also gives them their power, for no other men are able to endure the drifts and snows of Winter like the Northerners can. During Stannis' March on Winterfell, it's said that the Northern Houses who rallied for Stannis were able to fair much better in the snows than Stannis' southern troops. The North are a practical and pragmatic folk. They don't wear fancy clothes because fancy clothes are usually made out of silk and in the North, silk is useless. For this reason, they value furs, wool, and animal skins to keep them warm. Moreover, they think jousting is stupid. To them, the point of fighting is to kill and win, not brag and prance around in glory. The reason there appears to be a stigma in terms of military intelligence and leadership in the North is that their main campaign involved declaring Robb Stark King in the North...and then riding south. Past Moat Caillin, there is no place for a Northern army. They do not have the numbers, nor the technology to effectively wage war against any of the Houses in the South. Sure, Robb won every battle against Tywin Lannister but Tywin Lannister had 20,000 men to himself plus another 14,000 commanded by his brother, Kevan as well as a 3rd army being formed up in Lannisport; not to mention the fleet of Lannisport. Robb Stark, our King who Lost the North, only had 20,000 men. That's all he ever had. The Battle of the Whispering Wood may have captured Jamie, but it cost Robb 2,000 men. The losses for the North weighed much much harder than the losses for any Southern Houses. While 20,000 may seem small compared to the massive armies fielded by say, Highgarden, keep in mind of just how big the North is. It's as big as all the other 6 Kingdoms combined. There is no effective way to enforce and govern all of the North, which means a lot of what Northerners do comes down to loyalty. Those 20,000 men who followed Robb, while they were a small force, were willing to follow him to the ends of Westeros if need be. We can leave out the Boltons and their treachery given their centuries blood-feud with the Starks and the Karstarks for Robb's mistakes. The North doesn't forget what the Starks did for the Manderlys, or the Wulls, or the Flints, or the Liddles when the cold winter came. The North doesn't forget that the Starks and Winterfell were the reason many of the Northern Houses even survived many cold winters. The North doesn't forget their allegiance to the Starks. The North Remembers. We are susceptible to believe the North doesn't hold any great commanders, but then you look back and realize that they all did one thing wrong ...they rode south. King Torrhen Stark went south and bent the knee. Rickard went south and he burned for it. Brandon went south and choked himself to death. Eddard went south and lost his head. Robb went south and lost a kingdom. When the Starks (and the North) go South, they fail. But in the North, each Lord becomes a commander in his own right. Rarely do the Houses in the North come together unless winter approaches or the banners are called. For this reason, the Houses tend to keep their armies at home. They learn the land and understand the terrain. Each House knows every rock and every tree that they govern. Given this knowledge and their resistance to cold, any foreign army would have an extremely difficult time trying to conquer here. This is the North's hidden strength. Here, in the vastness of the wild, in the wide plains and valleys, in the endless fields and towering mountains, reside the Lords of the North, who are ruled by their liege lords, the Starks, the Kings in the North and the Kings of Winter.
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    Most Powerful and Beautiful Moments

    That chapter is my absolute favorite. I got goosebumps the first time I read it. Just so much sadness and despair. What's even more depressing is, even after experiencing this much grief, her final moments don't allow her to remember Jon, the one child who she resented her whole life just for the sake of being born. She explained earlier that she had no reason to hate him, yet she still doesn't remember him at the end of her life. I had to put the book down for a while after reading this one. So satisfying
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    Ascension of the Crow's Eye

    Hi everyone, My apologies if you had not read that chapter from TWOW. I've gone ahead and added spoiler warnings throughout the essay although it kinda takes away from the overall point and you may not get all of it if you havent read the latest chapter. I highly encourage you do, its a great read and doesn't take away from anyone else's story. It just reveals more information about the Ironborn. @Lyanna<3Rhaegar, I don't think he's trying to get Aeron to lose his faith, I believe he's just testing him. He wants him to realize that even when a holy man of the Drowned God is suffering, the Drowned God cares little for his salvation. Right after Euron his crowned King, his faith is tested...and it fails him. Throughout his whole life, Aeron BELIEVES that the Drowned God speaks to him but he's just being delusional. When Aeron needs the council of his god, when he's at his most vulnerable and truly in need of guidance, he abandons him. We get plenty of these references where Aeron is essentially talking to...himself. And again, in the latest chapter when, after he leaves the Kingsmoot, he goes to the sea to pray so that the Drowned God may guide him and enforce the idea that Euron, a 'godless man', could never sit on the Seastone Chair. He believes it so much and yet, when he seeks an answer, he gets absolutely nothing At that point, he starts rattling off names of people that couldnt be King because of what happened at the Kingsmoot so he just resolves to get Asha married to Victarion. Again, this was not the Drowned God's voice speaking to him. This is just an old man trying to hold onto what little faith he has for a god he's beginning to realize doesn't exist. But Euron doesn't know this, Euron STILL thinks Aeron is a holy man, with him mocking the Drowned God to his face and facing no retribution. Euron admires Aeron's devotion to his faith, so much so that he is trying to convince him to convert that faith and worship Euron and become his priest. Euron also knows that if he can get the Damphair to worship him, the rest of the Ironborn would likely lose their faith in the Drowned God as well.
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    Ascension of the Crow's Eye

    LynnS, WOW, the similarity between Dany's ritual and Euron's are practically the same! Did not even put that together and it's right there! Great insight.
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    Ascension of the Crow's Eye

    PLEASE NOTE: The following essay contains many excerpts from Aeron's chapter in The Winds of Winter. In order to fully understand the point I'm trying to make, please make sure you have read this chapter before moving forward. My apologies if this was not clear from the beginning. From what I've read so far, I've come to a conclusion that most of you will agree with: Euron Greyjoy is an EVIL motherfucker. There is no redeeming quality about him because even of his finest qualities go into doing some of the worst things imaginable. He uses his charm, wit, and intelligence to draw people in and when he has you, that's when he slices your tongue out, for The Silence must always be crewed. In this essay, I will attempt to shed light on the man, his motives, his mindset, and how those mechanisms are the catalyst for a future world changing event. FALSE PROPHECIES By now, we know the power of prophecies and they can be extremely fickle and not at all clear. A perfect example of a prophecy viewed wrong comes from Mother Mole who implored wildlings to gather and travel to Hardhome, insisting she had a vision where Hardhome would be their salvation. Of course this vision turns out to be their misery rather than their salvation as we later learn that the wildlings who made it to Hardhome were enslaved by 2 Lyseni pirate ships and brought back to the Free Cities. This prophecy is proof that even when something is viewed in one light, it can turn dark without proper understanding. Another example of misunderstood prophecies is that of Rhaego which comes from the Dosh Khaleen after Daenerys consumes the stallion heart in Vaes Dothrak. The above quote in its entirety speaks of someone (Rhaego) who has yet to be born and, as we find out near the end of A Game of Thrones, died at childbirth. Such is the way of prophecies in that even when they speak true, they may not always come to fruition. And yet, when we look at the bold text, we may see the actual truth behind the prophecy. It is not the 'prince' who will have the fierce storm and enemies tremble before him, but the 'princess'. Much like the translation for the PtwP prophecy was inaccurate; I see the old woman shaking and looking at Dany afraid in a sense, that she knows its not her son who will be the Stallion but Dany herself, a woman. The Dosh Khaleen are afraid that a woman, a princess, would be able to lead all the khalasars of the Dothraki given they view women as inferior. They tremble at this fact and what would happen to them should they dare speak of this to anyone but themselves. We later get this same vision of how scared the Dosh Khaleen are of Dany when she sees this vision in the House of the Undying. AZOR AHAI, FRIEND OR FOE? So now that I've established that prophecies are fickle little fuckers, let us look into the legend surrounding the character in the Far East and thousands of years past known as the Bloodstone Emperor. Let us explore his names and where they might be associated with. He is referred to as Neferion. This name likely originates from the Jogos Nhai and their chief city, Nefer, which is described as The only port city of the once powerful kingdom, the Jogos Nhai now have but the one primary city, and its description is one that would be best left unexplored. He is referred to as Hyrkoon the Hero. This name most likely originated from the former Patrimony of Hyrkoon, located east of the Bone Mountains. Here is a description of the Hyrkoon who fought border wars with the Jogos Nhai What kind of god requires sacrifices in the tens of thousands? Not exactly the best place to visit. He is referred to as Azor Ahai. We come upon the most sinister of places that associates with him, Asshai. So we have a character who is known in the worst places possible and among the worst people; and these people refer to this character as a "hero". Azor Ahai is not the hero that the legends say he is but actually the villain who is responsible for bringing about the Long Night. This one thought by LmL is what destroyed everything I thought I know about ASOIAF and made me re-read and re-look into this legendary hero/villian. In order to have an understanding of the theory I propose, it is necessary to believe the wise wisdom of LmL It is, by far, one of the most well-researched essays I've ever had the opportunity to read. It is worth its weight in gold. (Lucifer Means Lightbringer). MIND OF THE CROW'S EYE He realized the truth long ago, that perhaps not everything they say about the Drowned God is true. If that were the case, maybe everything else he 'knew' wasn't always set in stone. He had contemplated this thought before; this idea that not everything we're told by others is necessarily true or even accurate. The point Euron is trying to make is that he didn't necessarily not believe the maester in terms of human flying but simply challenging some of the world's most "known" facts. It was the first thought that questioned everything that is taught or known. Euron's mind seems to think in this manner: I was told I can't fly...but what if I could? Everyone knows that Valyria is a smoking, haunted ruin...but what if it isn't, what if it could be sailed to and perhaps, find a port? Any man foolish enough to even gaze upon Valyria's shores would be driven to madness and insanity...but what if he had protected himself with magic, say blood magic that required a sacrifice, an offering,...a Crow's Eye? Any man guilty of kinslaying is accursed by the Gods and all the Laws of Men...but what if he isn't and nothing falls upon him? No godless man may sit upon the Seastone Chair...but what if I sat upon the Iron Throne? This is where he gets his determination from, his drive, his necessity to do things that "no man dare". Let us look at what else Euron Greyjoy, King of the Iron Islands, has dared to do. THE REAVER'S MARK Euron claims to have sailed the world, to have gone to ports no man dare go, to dare walk through the haunted, smoking ruins of Valyria. In his travels, he has likely come across this information regarding the Bloodstone Emperor and the age of darkness that he brought to the world. Such a man would be admired by a man as Euron, since it is not riches and gold he fights for, but absolute power. Not only does he want to be King, he wants the entire world to bow before him. Let us look at the similar characteristics between both of these monstrous personalities. He is known to practice the dark arts. He is one of the very few people in the world (that we know of) that understands magic and the price that must be paid for it...and it is not the Iron Price. After reading (and re-reading) AFFC, I noticed a particular act that highlighted the power of his Crow's Eye, the eye he keeps hidden under an eyepatch. That is no ordinary eye. It is an evil thing that he can use to manipulate and bend others to his will. We see how he controls his crew of mutes after Euron returns for the Kingsmoot. Euron's eye is capable of controlling those he enslaves, particularly the mutes who man The Silence. This could allow him to be served by his mutes at all times without ever having to utter a single command. Regarding torture, Euron is quite efficient in a sense that, while he is known to rip tongues out, it is the psychological warfare that cripples those he torments. We see this explicitly in the veiled references Aeron gives about Euron; how he could always remember the sound of the screaming hinge on the door to his room, a room Euron would visit on nights he had drunk too much and heard Aeron praying. Aeron is clearly traumatized by this as a child and he tries to suppress this memory of Euron every time it surfaces and yet, when his resolve falters, Aeron always remembers the hinge. Again, this time, tying it to Euron He remembers the hinge whenever he gets scared. This fear is paramount during the Kingsmoot as Aeron watches in shock as the lords proclaim Euron as their King I AM THE STORM By now, we've established that Euron is a man that is cruel, insane, is knowledgeable in magic and dark arts, and is not above to slaying his family for his own gain. Up until this moment, it could be inferred that Euron just wants to torment his brother for his own amusement. But Euron is not like the other sadistic killers the books have given us. He's not like Joffrey, who tortured and terrified simply because he was bored. He' not like Ramsay either, who tortured and wreaked havoc to have dominance over all. Euron's cruelty is calculated. He is a seasoned killer and thinks only he knows why he is committing these vile atrocities. He is one of the few who stands true to their threats and statements. He sees himself as more than a man, but as a drive, a vessel moving ever onward towards a dark goal. Aeron believes a Iron Island's King can be killed only through divine intervention from the gods, as seen in the quote above. But we all now know that is was Euron who caused his death via The Faceless Men. It's to emphasize Aeron's belief that no man could ever have that power to cast down a true King and yet, we know a brother is all it takes to do it; and because of the King's death, more dark times are ahead. Euron embraces the darkness Aeron describes. He is readying himself, to undertake the next change in his transformation, but Euron is not the only one who is known to this power. Something big and terrible is to happen. Indeed, a least one other person has seen a glimpse of what Euron is about to do; fulfilling his destiny of death and destruction. By chance, Moqorro is saved by Victarion's Iron Fleet as it sails for Meereen. And yet, why is that Moqorro envisions Euron, a man he, as far as we know, has never met? Also bizarre, is that he states it is Euron who is seeking Daenerys...but it is Victarion who is actually sailing there! THE REAVER'S KRAKEN It is likely Victarion is just a pawn in the grand scheme of things. There are various references to Victarion's role as simply a means to an end. Here, Moqorro references how Euron has made Victarion his bitch. Not only is Euron his king, but he then commands his brother to sail across the world to bring back Daenerys and her dragons so the Ironborn can claim Westeros. I don't know how oblivious these two are, for they think they can just sail right up to the Great Pyramid, take Daenerys without any resistance, and sail her back to Westeros, all while ensuring they aren't chased by the Dothraki, the Unsullied, the Second Sons, the Stalwart Shields, the Mother's Men, the Free Brothers, and 3 FUCKING DRAGONS. And lest not forget the Ghiscari, the Mantari, the Yunkish, the Qartheen, the Company of the Cat, and the Long Lances who have all laid siege to Meereen and want the Dragon Queen just as much. But as we find out later, Victarion may not make it back to Westeros. Moqorro is a red priest of R'hollor who, like all that share his beliefs, offer their sacrifices to the fire. In more brutal terms, whoever they give as an offering, they burn them alive. It's viewed as a cleansing, the most beautiful cleansing, as fire can cleanse all the wickedness in a persons heart. It's viewed as a glorious way to die and the red priests go forth throughout the world trying to convince men that this is the best way to go and purify themselves. Perhaps this was again, the Reaver's calculated doing. For when Victarion assures Moqorro he will have his red god's due, Moqorro responds in a way to suggest benefit for Victarion but with greater knowledge and understanding of the followers of R'hollor, we can deduce Victarion will be offered to the fire, be it willingly or forced, and through dragonflame. THE DOOM OF VALYRIA Getting back to Moqorro's prophecy, what struck out in that chapter's reading is right before this vision is revealed, Tyrion and Moqorro are having a conversation about the Doom of Valyria. The red clouds and black blood of demons stood out to me when I read that. I pictured how it must've looked to be at Ground Zero for the Doom. I would imagine everything to be on fire, to be engulfed in a red, fiery hue to reflect the flames and molten lava being thrown and spewing everywhere. Dark, ominous red clouds invade the sky and cast down black rain. The very air itself is alight and filled with ash and smoke. Upon looking at the sea, it is boiling and thrashing, begging to be let in until finally the landmass calves and breaks and the tide comes rushing in. The ash, the smoke, the molten lava, and fire everywhere could cause the sea itself to turn to the color of red like everything else around it. Symbolically, it could also mean the sea turned red by the blood of all the slain men, women, children, and dragons. Every conversation in a book is structured so that ideas flow. The idea flowing here is the association between the Doom of Valyria and Moqorro seeing Euron preparing himself...as he sets sail for Oldtown. ASCENSION Oldtown is, dare I say it, a very old town. Maesters themselves cannot put a definitive date on its founding. Yet they know that men lived here since the Dawn Age as they left behind their runic records. And no tale of Oldtown can be complete without the mentioning of the Hightower, the great lighthouse that stands at the center on its own. But it is Battle Isle, its base, that is the source of the enigma. The black stone theories are abundant for they are found elsewhere in the world and predate Valyrian dragon-fused stone. Similarly, the black stone is found in places we know for a fact to have never been settled by or founded by dragonlords. The Bloodstone Emperor cast down the true gods to worship a "black stone that had fallen from the sky." It's important to note the language here as it says the Emperor cast down the "true gods" but who exactly are the true gods? In the maester's sense, it would be the Seven. In the YiTish, the Maiden-Made-of-Light and the Lion of Night. In the Starks, the Old Gods. So who exactly are the true gods? Could it be that this black stone was magical in nature? So much so, that the Bloodstone Emperor realized that all the gods have no true power. True might rested in the power of this magical, black stone. I suspect he killed his sister, The Amethyst Empress, as a kind of blood sacrifice in order to release/control the magic of the black stone; thereafter granting him the power to enslave and torture on a much broader scale. HOLY BLOOD The Emperors and Empresses of the Great Empire of the Dawn were referred to as "god-emperors" in a sense they believe their rulers to be the embodiment or actual physical representation of the dominion of God. It can be said, with confidence, that to the small folk, their rulers were more godly in nature than man and their presence of that of the divine. So when the Bloodstone Emperor slayed his sister, he spilled the blood of the divine, of the holy, of...god. The most shocking evidence I've found of my theory was after re-reading A Clash of Kings. We've been given a glimpse of this apotheosis and of Euron's grand plan back in the House of the Undying. At first, I thought the vision referred to Jon Connington as he suffered from greyscale. When I read the word 'prow', I didn't know what it meant until I googled it. It is the part of the ship that cuts through the water. There is no way anyone is capable of 'standing' on a prow, unless you are of course, tied to it. Now that this chapter from TWOW has come out, it gives conclusive evidence that the vision was speaking of Aeron, of Euron's attempt at apotheosis, of the darkness that is about to enter the world. Thank you!