chrc9 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I have read all 5 books of A Sing of Ice & Fire and own the first 3 seasons of A Game of Thrones, and generally haven't had any problems with the changes to the show. As I am new to this forum I am not sure if this is the right place for this posts... I fully understand that the books and show have become separate series (I love them both), and that the story line for the show needs to be simplified. But, in the first season (episode 8 I think) they set up a story line regarding Tyron and his first wife Tysha that I feel should have and could have been included in season 4 when Jamie helps Tyron. Tho I do love that Jamie and Tyrion separated on good terms, I think (as a book reader) it is going to affect what happens with both of their characters in the following seasons. I apologize if this topic has already been discussed. I would still like to hear what everyone has to say. Personally I wish they would have kept that bit in considering that they did lay the ground work for it and have given and hinted at so much more. Thanks :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ftheking Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Yeah, it's a bit of a shame. The story worked and was great the way they showed it, but it seems something was lost for the future and for the big picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Pounce FTW Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I have read all 5 books of A Sing of Ice & Fire and own the first 3 seasons of A Game of Thrones, and generally haven't had any problems with the changes to the show. As I am new to this forum I am not sure if this is the right place for this posts... I fully understand that the books and show have become separate series (I love them both), and that the story line for the show needs to be simplified. But, in the first season (episode 8 I think) they set up a story line regarding Tyron and his first wife Tysha that I feel should have and could have been included in season 4 when Jamie helps Tyron. Tho I do love that Jamie and Tyrion separated on good terms, I think (as a book reader) it is going to affect what happens with both of their characters in the following seasons. I apologize if this topic has already been discussed. I would still like to hear what everyone has to say. Personally I wish they would have kept that bit in considering that they did lay the ground work for it and have given and hinted at so much more. Thanks :) My guess is at the start of the series they were only had the information we readers have - well maybe a little more considering Martin was on set so much. At that point, it seems as though they were aiming to include as much of the books as possible, within reason. However, once it became clear that the future books weren't coming any time soon, they had the pow wow with Martin and then, with the knowledge of how it all ends and the fact that they will stick to 7 seasons, they started to make decisions on what was critical and what wasn't. I imagine they assumed Tysha wasn't. As well as a bunch of other characters and storylines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedShirt47 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I really don't get the facination with Tysha on the show. She works in the books because we have tyrion's inner thought processes and history is much more fleshed out.To introduce Tysha as a character on the show would probably need flashbacks and / or some clunky exposition. And still she would be a very minor character and the viewers will not be invested in her at all. TV is a visual medium and characters who do not appear on screen are not relevant to most viewers. How many viewers who have not read up on the history or the books know who Rhaegar and Lyanna are? These are much more important characters yet I would wager that many casual viewers would be unable to say exactly who they are. They might get that Rhaegar is a Targ but many would say he was Dany's father or uncle.Having Shae be a bigger role on screen works much better for tv.She was Sansa's maid instead of Lollys.She seems to actually have loved Tyrion.She was right in the middle of Sansa and Tyrion's wedding.Politics and family feuding ruined this tragic love between them.We got to see this all play out on screen before us. As a tv story it works much better to have the real love be Shae instead of some woman who's never been on screen.The story played out and charactered ended up in exactly the same place but without the need for new characters and clunky exposition.Tyrion went through a tragic love story but his family ruined it and Shae ended up dead. In fact this is probably more tragic than the Tysha story as in the books he killed a lying whore who never had feelings for him but on tv he killed a woman who did love him but events conspired against them.This is not to say I'm happy with all the changes the show has made, next season looks like there will be many changes that I won't be comfortable with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ftheking Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I don't agree really. I heard the Tysha story in the show first and was very shocked, definitely not bored! It's way more tragic than the Shae story any way you slice it. I don't know if they ever mentioned her name, but as "Tyrion's wife who Tywin had gangraped" she is not forgettable at all. Shae's story on the show was just a bit confusing. Wait, didn't she kinda love him? Oh, okay, she's super fake. Whatever good riddance, what a cow. In theory yes, show don't tell is generally preferable, but tragic backstories can be included in visual media too and make the characters and plotlines deeper and better rounded. If you tell a story as big as GoT, you can't be that afraid of backstory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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