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8/10. Ending was perfect.

It can't be real. It's completely unbelievable that any Star Wars fan would say that Episode 4 is worse than the prequels.

You were the first person I thought of XD I hope it wasn't too hard on you, lol. However, I do like what they've done with the Mereen storyline far more than in the books. I think we need to see Missandei and Greyworm in order to give Dany's crusade a human side, otherwise it will end up as one-dimensional and hard to understand as it is in the books. Maybe Jorah finds a way to hide his greyscale from the slavers? Guess we'll see.

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I laughed out loud at that callback, but my husband didn't catch it the first time.

I find it funny how you think Ramsay could kill Melisandre so easily.

The Northern storylines have always been my favorite, so I'm really glad that they have been incredibly strong this year. Very excited for the second half of the season.

My husband and I laughed when they did it.

I'm going to guess that Theon shocked her. And to be fair, it was an absolutely horrible dinner, with Ramsay purposely aggravating the situation by bringing up her brothers. We'll see if she recovers.

Himself, maybe? Or the old gods? It's not as if we know whether or not Melisandre saves him in the books, though.

First 10 of the season. Loved it from start to finish.

I didn't say they couldn't spend their time as they wished. I just said it makes no sense to me that people devote so much of their time and energy to something they clearly don't enjoy. I don't get why that makes sense to anyone, tbh. You wouldn't expect someone who hates soccer to spend time watching it and then complaining about it online because they expected it to be more like american football, would you? The omission of "Fetch me a block" was replaced by "Bring me my sword". Which means the same thing...Jon is going to behead Slynt. Really, there's no difference other than in the first one, he was going to hang the man at first (which is what George wrote originally until people said 'that's not the right way'), and in the show, they went straight for the beheading without the whole 'hanging' charade. Seriously, if that's part of "going off the rails", then the rails are extremely small indeed. People have been arguing that the show has 'gone off the rails' over things as trivial as the way the actors and actresses looked in the first season. The show has made missteps, but so has the books. And there's no such thing as 'the perfect show'. Or 'the perfect book'. My point still stands, though. "Not replicating the books" is not a valid criticism when the show was never capable of that in the first place. And the people who watch it are not stupid nor is the show aimed at stupid people, which is what my issue was in the first place with the previous poster's claim. "A few people called into a radio show" isn't evidence that the target audience for the show is too dumb to understand the books. The way some people feel free to insult show watchers is rather disheartening, really. People have felt the need to create a hierarchy within the fandom where anyone who likes the show or doesn't read the books or both are considered beneath them. Which is hilarious, considering that this is nothing more than a fictional story that has absolutely no bearing on real life. Anyway, whatever. How people choose to spend their time is up to them. I guess if people can question why I like a good show, I can question why they would watch a show that they don't enjoy. It's not like either of us is going to believe the answer the other gives, so it all evens out in the end, I guess.

No. Some book readers watched the shiw, expected an exact replica of the books and were disappointed when a 10-hour season failed to include every single detail of the books and went online to deride every change. Some just decided that it wasn't their cup of tea and moved on. Many others liked it because they know that it was never going to be exactly the same. No, it is strange that people would continue watching something that gave them little to no enjoyment. I liked the book "The Hobbit", and I even enjoyed the first movie; but by the second movie, I was no longer enjoying the movies. So I didn't bother with the third. This "completionist no matter what" attitude baffles me. If something is not enjoyable, there's no sensible reason to continue it. All you do is take time away from something else you could be doing and loving. I defend the show because it's a good show that gets a lot of shit for not being like the books. To me, "not being like the books" isn't a reason to criticize any adaptation. Reasons for criticism should be based purely on how good the show is without reference to the books. I have no problem criticizing the show- I've done it often. I hated the Sandsnake scenes in this episode because they were cheesy, for example. I didn't hate them because they weren't like the books, though. Yet their are threads devoted to "OMG, they changed two words into another two words that meant the same thing! The writers did it on purpose because they hate the book readers!" If the show goes off the rails and becomes stupid, I'll be one of the first to admit it. But I don't consider "stupid" to be "they left out my favorite part of the book!" In fact, the show DID change my favorite line from the hook..."Edd, fetch me a block". And you know what? I didn't care, because that scene was still awesome. So, no...I'm not a shill. I'm just someone who attempts to see the show as a different take on the book. I also criticize the books, so neither version is immune to it, imo.

Millions have read it...and still, that doesn't come close to the amount of people watching it. Just because a few people who called into a radio show to discuss it were not as "informed" as you are on a fictional story doesn't mean that a show watchers are stupid, or that the show aims for stupid people (something I find incredibly insulting). Of course, you have yet to prove that the show is dumbed down beyond anecdotes, which obviously don't mean anything. Because it's obvious that all sports fans are as stupid as the ones who call into sports radio shows, right? And I'm sure that it has nothing to do with the radio show picking out the callers they think will make for a more entertaining discussion, either. Just like how all people on reality shows truly act that way and nothing is ever scripted or edited to look worse. But sure, stop watching the show is you don't enjoy it. I mean, that's what people normally do to shows or movies they don't like, instead of watching and then complaining about it.

Uh, it doesn't prove shit beyond the fact that people who aren't avid show watchers aren't going to remember all of the characters or get all of the plots. "Complexity isn't the same as confusing"...in this case, it is. Of course, how does that differ from the books? What would you say to someone who started reading the books and said "This is too confusing?" Because that's part of the reason a lot of people don't finish reading them. Now, imagine that you are reading the books and you have one hour to absorb everything that happens in 5-10 chapters. Do you honestly think you are going to catch everything? That's what it's like for show watchers. That's why second viewings are crucial. But hey, if you want to insist that the show sucks, go right ahead. You're the one wasting time watching something you consider dumbed down.

LMAO, that's hilarious. You seem to think that people actually care enough to pay attention beyond "Oh, that's cool". What, you think people love watching Dancing with the Stars because they know what the actual dances are? Of course not. Lots of people watch popular shows and don't pay a lot of attention to them. The show doesn't cater to the casual viewer AT ALL. Hell, it doesn't even cater to the attentive viewer. It caters to the viewer who will watch it several times. Why? Because there's no way in hell you are going to get everything going on in the show (or even know who every character in the show is) the first time through. How do I know this? Because I didn't read the books before watching the first two seasons. Guess what...I was pretty fucking lost for a while and I didn't catch a lot of stuff the first time through. Anyone who thinks that this show is 'dumbed down' has a skewed perception of what the medium is really capable of in the first place.

I'm not sure if you've ever listened to sports radio shows before, but that's how they are in general. When people are uninformed as to what's actually happening in the show, I'd say that the show ISN'T catering to them since they are obviously not following what's going on.

^This.

If I were Selmy, that's the ONLY thing I'd say to her before I croaked. In fact, that's the only thing I would have EVER told her. Dany: Ser Barristan, I'm torn on what to do about Jorah. Selmy: Fuck Jorah, go to Westeros. -- Dany: Ser Barristan, what should I say to this freed slave who wants to be a slave again? Selmy: Tell him that you don't give a crap because you are going to Westeros. -- Dany: Ser Barristan, I'm not sure what dress I should wear... Selmy: No one cares, just go to Westeros already.

That's my thinking, as well.

They were flanked on both sides of a narrow hall (or whatever it was) and absolutely outmanned. Even the books said that they made for poor policeman. And I absolutely know it's a TV show...but that doesn't mean it can't portray a fight realistically.

Yeah, but these ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. They are in no way unbiased or reflect the opinion of the general audience.

This. I think people have been misled by movies like 300 or Lord of the Rings where good guys can take down 100 baddies without flinching. That's not realistic. It IS realistic that an old knight would get taken down when outnumbered 15-1. Even Arthur Dayne, the best knight ever, didn't survive those odds.

Which completely contradicts what the scene in the episode laid out. Stannis would not kill his only daughter and heir to win the throne. That's essentially where he draws the line. His wife would, but he would not.

9/10 I loved most of this episode. I had no problem with Mel going nude for Jon...she's trying to entice him because she wants the power he can give her, and it's not like she's ever been shy about her sexuality. Love all of the Rhaegar/Lyanna history. Cersei arming the Faith is just as stupid and shortsighted as it was in the books, imo. The bit with Ellaria and the Sandsnakes was mostly unecessary, imo. We already know that they are are on her side, I don't see why we need that again. I think it would have been better just to have the part with the merchant captain. Really sorry to see Selmy go, but at least he went out like the badass he was. RIP. I don't think Greyworm is going to die yet, though. I really like how this season is going, though.