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  1. Tears of the Dragon by Bruce Dickinson reminds me of Rhaegar: For too long now, there were secrets in my mind For too long now, there were things I should have said In the darkness...I was stumbling for the door To find a reason - to find the time, the place, the hour Waiting for the winter sun, and the cold light of day The misty ghosts of childhood fears The pressure is building, and I can't stay away I throw myself into the sea Release the wave, let it wash over me To face the fear I once believed The tears of the dragon, for you and for me Where I was, I had wings that couldn't fly Where I was, I had tears I couldn't cry My emotions frozen in an icy lake I couldn't feel them until the ice began to break I have no power over this, you know I'm afraid The walls I built are crumbling The water is moving, I'm slipping away... I throw myself into the sea Release the wave, let it wash over me To face the fear I once believed The tears of the dragon, for you and for me Slowly I awake, slowly I rise The walls I built are crumbling The water is moving, I'm slipping away...
  2. Blacks Always a supporter of the rightful Queen Rhaenyra Targaryen.
  3. I agree. Since I will have hindsight, i think that is necessary to know everything. Generaly, I would choose Rhaegar hands down because I like him very much as a character at the moment (I'm not sure what Martin will reveal about him in future books). And I wouldn't choose Robert even if he paid me my weight in gold. Of course If I were aware about the disaster that'd follow my elopment with the prince, I wouldn't do it. Though I would do it if I knew that our son would be the one that he'd save the world.
  4. I'm not convinced that the "abduction" happened because of love. The fact that George desides to put all the characters but Robert to paint Rhaegar as a great guy has to have a purpose. And the purpose in my opinion is that he wanted to make the readers think: "Wait a minute. What? If he was so sensible and decent and honorable, are we sure he did what we are told he did and for the reasons we are told he did it?" Nor do I believe that Rhaegar was obsessed with prophecy, since I haven't find something in the text that supports this obsession. Rhaegar was very interested in the prophecy, because he was the only one that had found about the truth of it, but obsession? I don't see it. I tend to believe that the abduction was some kind of rescuing. I can't be sure of course, but that's what I suspect. And perhaps Elia was aware of that, perhaps not. If she was aware of this intention of her husband, I' m sure she wouldn't have a problem with it.
  5. Thank you. That' s what I thought myself. I guess they had some kind of interaction but not enough in order for him to believe that she was in love with him (and I' m not sure if he cared). Also, I think that Lyanna didn't exactly know him, it was rather she knew about him, likely she heard about him and his bastard child. What I am thinking is that if Robert didn't have reasons to believe that Lyanna loved him, which I think it was the case, and Ned told him the truth, it would just hurt Robert's pride, is all. He would be like "What? My betrothed didn't want to marry ME but someone else?" or something like that. Anyway, I don't believe that Ned should have told him the truth for all the reasons others mentioned above. Lyanna was dead, Jon was in danger and Robert wouldn't really change a thing in his behavior and his life. He was who he was.
  6. - Jon Snow is Rhaegars son - TRUE - There are ice spiders - FALSE - Nagga was a sea dragon - DON'T KNOW - Balon was Killed by a Faceless man - DON'T KNOW - Tyrion is a Targaryen - FALSE - Jon Snow will wield Dawn - FALSE - Bloodraven is working with the Others - FALSE - Garth Greenhand did exist - TRUE - Merlings / Deep ones exist - DON'T KNOW - Benjen Stark is alive - FALSE - Jojen Reed is dead - FALSE - There are ice dragons - FALSE - Jaime is the Valonqar - TRUE - The great empire of Dawn is true - DON'T KNOW - The Others built the Wall - FALSE - Roose Bolton is immortal - FALSE - Daenerys is Azor Ahai - TRUE (ALSO JON) - Aegon is False - NOT SURE
  7. I just wonder if the text supports this. Because I think that this is relevant with what we are discussing here. Robert was a man of his time. He was aware about the specifications of the weddings of his society. He knew that most of the girls didn't love their fiancees before their wedding. They didn't even knew them before. So even if he believed that he was generally an eligible man, he should know that Lyanna didn't love him.
  8. I have a question. How do we know that Robert believed that Lyanna loved him? Does he say that somewhere in the book? His wedding with her was going to be an arranged one and arranged marriages was usually loveless. The text does not support that they had a close relationship beforehand, so it is likely that unless Lyanna told him that she was in love with him, it would be very bold of him to believe that she was. We know that Robert believed that he loved Lyanna but do we know that he believed that she loved him back? I really can't remember if the books give us this answer.
  9. Well, what's so different between young and old Robert in order for us to tend to believe that he will be an alternative Robert at some point? Or that the reason of his older self was due to the loss of the love of his life? Young Robert was whoring and sowing bastards , older Robert was still whoring and sowing bastards. Young Robert was heavily drinking, older Robert was heavily drinking. Young Robert was claiming that he loved Lyanna and he was having fun like there was no tomorrow, older Robert was claiming that he loved Lyana and he was having fun like there was no tomorrow. This man is clearly described as exactly the same during the events of the books since before Robert's Rebelion till his death and I really fail to understand where some people base their idea that he would change if... I guess, they just want to believe that because they like him and/or because they are romantic souls. But this has nothing to do with what the books provide us.
  10. Rhaegar Targaryen of course.
  11. I second that!
  12. I said two different things in one sentence. The first was that I believe that Rhaegar would be a better king than Robert. The second one was that Rhaegar would take care of the problem with the Others on time. I didn' t mean that Robert should take action against them, even if he didn' t know about them, but that Rhaegar knew about the threat since his youth and he would have been preparing to act even years before this threat appeared. As far as Tyrion, Tywin, Jeoffrey, Cercei, Kevan etc, they probably wouldn't be in charge if Rhaegar had won, since all these people were there as a consequence of Robert's ruling, So my thesis stands. If Rhaegar had won, he would have deal better with the threat of the Others. In my opinion, of course. As for Robert being eager to fight the Others, I' m not so sure. I know that he got awfully bored during his reign because he didn't like ruling, but I think that it's not very probable that he would believe the threat was real. As most of the people, especially the people in the south, he'd just think that all these rumors and accounts about an ancient and supernatural enemy were absurd.
  13. I would read that story, tbh. I like the idea and I would like to get to know Rhaegar while he was alive. It seems that he was a great guy.
  14. Of course it would be better for the realm if Rhaegar had won. He would definitely be a better king than Robert and he would take action against the Others on time. This said, we wouldn't have these marvelous books but something complitely different.
  15. SFDanny and The Wolves I agree with both of you. Adittionally, I would say that some people see the characters as totaly black or white. For them either a character is good or a monster. They can' t accept flaws in a hero. Just like in fairytales, maybe? There you have the hero and the villain and nothing between. Well, I don' t have anything against fairytales. They are great. But George doesn't write a fairytale here. His characters are almost "real" and they have flaws like everyone of us. And this is his brilliance, I believe. His characters are his strongest point. And I wonder, do these people believe that some of us are perfect creatures with no flaws, no mistakes, no misjudges, or in case we have these traits are we bad people? Really? Humans make mistakes even when they are good people. Just my opinion anyway. And I' m sorry if my english are very flawed. Not a native speaker. I hope I made myself clear anyway.