TheColdWinds Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 I know the MK wanted Robert dead but i thought that was after Robert rebelled. However, i read that the MK demanded that Jon Aryn send him Ned's and Robert's heads when they were both in the vale. Just after Neds father and brother were killed. I can see why he wanted Neds, but why Robert's head at that time? He was Lord of the Stormlands, why would the MK think he would rebel becasue some northman were killed? Im guessing he wanted him dead because of Robert's close realtionship with Ned, and Lyanna going missing. But the MK would never have know how Robert would react. Until, Robert actually does rebel. So my question is why did the MK want Robert's head at the exact moment after Rickon and Brandon Stark were killed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howlin' Howland Reed Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 The mad king was mad. But, in ADWD we also learn about a possible conspiracy involving Rickard Stark and others. Whether or not there really was a conspiracy, Aerys could have heard whispers about it, and decided to act preemptively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Areo Mace Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 He was betrothed to Lyanna Stark making him a threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Hippie Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Robert was betrothed to Lyanna so Aerys might have/probably suspected Robert would rebel anyway (also because of his friendship with Ned if Aerys knew about it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheColdWinds Posted May 4, 2012 Author Share Posted May 4, 2012 What conspiracy was there in ADWD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 What conspiracy was there in ADWD?There were whisperings that maesters were involved in getting Rickard Stark to form a southern power bloc in order to check the Targs over overthrow them entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howlin' Howland Reed Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Yes, and I completely overlooked the betrothal of Robert and Lyanna in my first post. (A betrothal that also meshes nicely with the conspiracy idea.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talleyrand Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 Maybe he was just a believer in the good old saying of "In for a penny in for a pound" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fightbringer Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 1.The mad king was, well, mad2. He was betrothed to lyanna, so the stormlands would rebel even if he was alive3. He's great friends with ned, so he'd wanted to avenge him and his families loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuendillar Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 Aerys almost certainly knew of his betrothal to Lyanna, and certainly that both Robert and Eddard grew up together as Jon Arryn's wards. That's a very strong association to the Stark family - even a mad less paranoid than the Mad King would have considered it highly unlikely that he would side with the Targaryens should the North go into rebellion. The best he could reasonably hope for was that Baratheon remained neutral as long as Robert led them. Should Stannis inherit, the situation would have been totally different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchface12 Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 If Varys is who I think he is, I bet he put Aerys up to it/ convinced him Robert was a threat, even tho he wasn't at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stop Rhaegar HAMMERTIME! Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 PLOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of Dragonstone Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 Robert spoke out against Rhaegar, Prince of Dragonstone and heir to the Iron Throne. This, in an of itself, was a punishable offense during Targaryen era Westeros. The Royal Family were beyond reproach and were believed to be chosen by the Seven to rule over the Kingdoms. Divine Right. To question the decisions of the Targaryens was to question the authority of the Seven.Also, as others have said, the Mad King, with Varys whispering in his ear, knew that Robert, Ned and Jon Arryn were very close...too close. With the deaths of Rickard and Brandon, Robert and Ned needed to be neutralized before a rebellion could take root. When Jon refused to turn over the two men and call his banners against the King the war had officially began. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairo Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 I too found this a little odd but it makes sense of course given that Lyanna was betrothed to Robert and that Robert, Ned, and Jon Arryn were very close. A lot of people like to chalk it up to him being mad, but I find it odd that even Aerys didn't take into consideration that Robert's grandmother was a Targaryen. I'm a bit surprised that Robert and Rhaegar weren't at all close given that Aerys was fairly close to Steffon Baratheon. Aerys and Steffon were close enough that Aerys sent his first cousin across the Narrow Sea to find prospective brides for Rhaegar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pod The Impaler Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 1.The mad king was, well, mad2. He was betrothed to lyanna, so the stormlands would rebel even if he was alive3. He's great friends with ned, so he'd wanted to avenge him and his families lossPlus let's face it, who knows what Aerys had thought in regard to Rhaegar. To protect him against a foe ? Or to set him up to fight that foe ? Hard to tell with a crazy person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Killdragon Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 If Varys is who I think he is, I bet he put Aerys up to it/ convinced him Robert was a threat, even tho he wasn't at the time.Yep, all the "whispers" of Lord Stark's conspiracy probably came from Varys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter's Knight Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Robert spoke out against Rhaegar, Prince of Dragonstone and heir to the Iron Throne. This, in an of itself, was a punishable offense during Targaryen era Westeros. Uhh, no he didn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BannermanOfDorne Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Yep, all the "whispers" of Lord Stark's conspiracy probably came from Varys.Really? I always thought Varys was trying to aid the Targaryens, but it seems that he led them to their downfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Killdragon Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Really? I always thought Varys was trying to aid the Targaryens, but it seems that he led them to their downfall.No, in fact, Varys was the one who urged Mad King Aerys to open the city to Tywin, knowing full well the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkion Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 No, in fact, Varys was the one who urged Mad King Aerys to open the city to Tywin, knowing full well the result.No, that was Pycelle.Pycelle’s breathing was rapid and shallow. “All I did, I did for House Lannister.” A sheen of sweat covered the broad dome of the old man’s brow, and wisps of white hair clung to his wrinkled skin. “Always . . . for years . . . your lord father, ask him, I was ever his true servant . . . ‘twas I who bid Aerys open his gates . . .” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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