The Mountain That Posts Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 What will happen to him and the other wildlings at the wall with Jon dead? Theories, shots in the dark, possible foreshadowing, etc. here. :)Personally, I thought ADwD was really setting Leathers up to be a major character eventually and when I read Jon's "death" my immediate thought was "Jon's dead, Leathers is going to take over as POV character at the wall along with Mel who'd have more chapters, with Val and/or Shireen being possible POV characters at one point or another as well."...but then I learned, to my sorrow, that due to the mass negative response to the countless new POVs and the fact there's way too many POV characters as is, that GRRM has decided that the only new POV characters in the upcoming books will be prologues/epilogues. Which is sad. Because I really wanted Val or Shireen as constant POVs. :(Anyway, derailment aside, what do we think is going to happen to Leathers, Ser Wun Wun, Val, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrafna Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 i think it will strengthen the bond between the loyal to jon nw and the wildlings while also deepening the rift between the nw against jon and the wildling/loyalists. there are going to be big time repercussions for the ones who turned on jon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True_lord_of_york Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 What I like about wildlings is that they arnt like westerosi where they're friends dies and than they only talk about him and ally with the ppl that killed him. If Jon is dead than all the wildlings will kill the nw. I think that would happen either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyryan Lannister Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 What I like about wildlings is that they arnt like westerosi where they're friends dies and than they only talk about him and ally with the ppl that killed him. If Jon is dead than all the wildlings will kill the nw. I think that would happen either wayYeah, those who do not immediately side with the wildlings are kind of screwed, what with a giant already at castle black and 100(?) more on their way to Eastwatch, not to mention the thousands of wildlings south of the Wall already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sertravisredbeard Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Yep Leathers will continue his leadership role and be one of the wildlings to preserve his body for Ghost/Mel/Bloodraven/Bran to unkill him or whatever they're going to do. First he'll slice up whoever tries to stop him and hopefully a couple of Queen's Men while he's at it to try to clamp down on their inflated egos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Leathers? He will be the most senior officer at Castle Black not currently mutiniering. And since he has a roughly 996:4 advantage against Bowen and his cronies, he will take command while Jon has his coma-induced dream of the 3EC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serme Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Hmmm Good question. It's all dependant on how the Wildlings at Castle Black react to the assassination of Jon. The Wildlings could either revolt against the Nights Watch and take over, or be cowed by the death of Jon and simply submit. And even though I really enjoy Leathers, he will likely remain only a secondary character, along with Dolorous Edd, etc.The real ticklish question is how will Tormund respond? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mountain That Posts Posted February 1, 2013 Author Share Posted February 1, 2013 The real ticklish question is how will Tormund respond?Something tells me that Tormund, Val, Ghost, Edd and Mel will all FLIP... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemused Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Just for fun - how about a showdown between the current CB Arms master , Leathers and the former CB Arms Master Alliser Thorne ? ( In case he's been hiding and directing Marsh & co. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrafna Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 that would be awesome. prologue by alliser thorne and ends with leathers cleaving his skull in 2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven's Teeth Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 I don't think that Leathers & the other Wildlings who swore themselves to Jon and/or the Night's Watch are going to be very pleased with Bowen Marsh & his cronies for what they've done. He (Leathers) may well a leader if not the leader of the New Watch (those loyal to Jon). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addicted to snow Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Mel will glamor Devon into Davos in order to maintain order & perhaps a bit of power on the wall... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemused Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 The Mountain that Posts.. I think George may have been a bit coy with his answer to the POV question. I think he said there will be no new POVs from characters we haven't met ... but that doesn't necessarily mean no new POVs. So, for example if Val should play a part in JOn's rescue , or if George wants to reveal more of what went down with Ser Patrek , we could well see a POV from Val. We've met her already. ( Besides , she could tell us so much about Leathers , Tormund , Mance and Dalla and herself..as well as give us a window on events )And I wants one.. ;).. I'm hoping right along with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Tully Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Barristan was not a planned POV and was added pretty late in dealing with the Mereen stuff. It isn't entirely unlikely that GRRM would decide later to scrap the no new POVs pledge in favor of the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Ennepe Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Leathers? He will be the most senior officer at Castle Black not currently mutiniering. And since he has a roughly 996:4 advantage against Bowen and his cronies, he will take command while Jon has his coma-induced dream of the 3EC. I like this Idea a lot.Something tells me that Tormund, Val, Ghost, Edd and Mel will all FLIP...Edd turns into a goddam Hulk and does a Greg Clegane on Bowen Marshs Head! It is known :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemused Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Patrick Tully..Yes.The story will come first... And if it was a pledge , he was still being tricky with his words. He joked that he had to start killing characters off , he said there would be no new POVs , paused slightly ,and added the qualifier , from characters we haven't already met.. he also excluded prologues and epilogues.ETA: I'm hoping Leathers has already earned the respect of the greater number of NW men , who will recognize his authority...Bowen has never enjoyed a lot of respect , except as housekeeping overseer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fender Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 The slaughter will be entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheeMikeHoncho Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I am nervous about what will happen. I believe that the queen's men are in on it as well. the two knights who hastily left after Jon's speech seemed sketchy, as if they were up to something, and Queen Selyse in all sense and purposes is a turd who thinks that Jon and the wildlings are repulsive blasphemes(sp) and has shown to think of their lives as worthless (aka her rather callaous exlamation to let all those women and children die at hardhome. also all of the warriors that are not in the nightswatch are currently getting drunk in a underground mess hall that is easy to blockade. The numbers wont be in Camp Jon's favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrafna Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 i can't wait for the rangers and wildlings vs the builders and stewards! imagine the prologue of bowen marsh, he is so going to end up in tormund's digestive tract and through karma will be born into his next life as a turd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Baratheon Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 the nw still has those wildling- childhostages ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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