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Worst Sibling in ASOIAF

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The question is pretty simple, who is the worst brother, sister, foster-brother or foster-sister?

Id say Viserys takes the cake, "Id let the entire khalasar fuck you do get my throne back"

Honorable mention to Euron Greyjoy.and Gregor Clegane

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cersei

euron

viserys

aerion brightflame

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Euron and Jaime for some reason they have issues with thier brothers wives, Must be some type of freudian slip.

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Gregor Clegane

The Brother that Burns

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Cersei, Euron, Viserys, Joffrey, Aerion Brightfire,Robert B., or Sansa

How the hell does Sansa(or even Robert really) belong on that list?

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Cersei, Euron, Viserys, Joffrey, Aerion Brightfire,Robert B., or Sansa

may i ask for your reasoning behind naming Sansa and robert

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Ok, I am going to quote a GoT magazine I read before Season Three:

Gregor Clegane

-Held his little brothers face against a roaring fire during a fight over a toy, brutally scarring him for life.

-See above

-Seriously, see above.

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I vaguely recall a theory involving Euron molesting Victarion...if that holds up, then Euron, otherwise, Gregor.

Edit: Wait, it was Aeron that was molested...to the search bar!

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Ok, I am going to quote a GoT magazine I read before Season Three:

Gregor Clegane

-Held his little brothers face against a roaring fire during a fight over a toy, brutally scarring him for life.

-See above

-Seriously, see above.

He thought Sandor was cold and only wanted to help warm him up a little, poor misunderstood little Gregor.

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Cersei, Euron, Viserys, Joffrey, Aerion Brightfire,Robert B., or Sansa

Im confused as well Sansa and Bob shouldnt be in this list. Robert we dont enough of his relationship with Stannis and Renly.

Not even gonna say anything about why Sansa isnt a bad sister. Thats not even gonna be dignified with a response.

Cant wait till the hardcore Sansa fans roll in.

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He thought Sandor was cold and only wanted to help warm him up a little, poor misunderstood little Gregor.

Gregor may have been misunderstood, but the truly misunderstood one in this story is Puddles.

We mourn your brutal murder, Puddles :bawl: .

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Cersei, Euron, Viserys, Joffrey, Aerion Brightfire,Robert B., or Sansa

I'm guessing Robert was throne in here because of his "slight" against Stannis by giving Renly Storm's End? If so that's a terrible reason to put him on a list with people who: Tortured their infant brother, molested(I'm remembering more of that theory...slowly) their brother, sold their sister to a pillaging rapist, is Joffrey, ...Aerion didn't do much to his siblings that I can recall...and...Sansa?

The fuck did Sansa do? Argued with her sister?

And where's Gregor?

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Im confused as well Sansa and Bob shouldnt be in this list. Robert we dont enough of his relationship with Stannis and Renly.

Not even gonna say anything about why Sansa isnt a bad sister. Thats not even gonna be dignified with a response.

Cant wait till the hardcore Sansa fans roll in.

i'm trying to restrain myself, so in efforts of peace i offer these two SSM

1-September 11, 1999

THE BARATHEON BROTHERS

SUBMITTED BY: KAY-ARNE HANSEN

First. When Cersei and Ned talked in the godswood in aGoT, she mentioned Jon, and wondered who his mother was, (paraphrasing) "...Some peasant wife you raped, while her holdfast burned?" This indicates that there were fightings in Dorne when Ned went there to get Lyanna back. But I thought the Martells stayed out of the war, and that Ned went there when the war was all over. So: did Ned take an army with him into Dorne, or not?

Ned's army did not accompany him to Dorne, no. There were no battles in Dorne during Robert's Rebellion, though doubtless there were minor skirmishes along the borders. But it's not entirely correct that the Martells stayed out of the war. Rhaegar had Dornish troops with him on the Trident, under the command of Prince Lewyn of the Kingsguard. However, the Dornishmen did not support him as strongly as they might have, in part because of anger at his treatment of Elia, in part because of Prince Doran's innate caution. Cersei's line reflects no more than a desire to wound, to say something nasty to get a rise out of Ned.

Second: We discussed whether Robert loved his brother Renly or not. Haaruk thought so, while I never envisioned their relationship as more than lukewarm. (Jaime said Robert hardly could stomach his brothers (plural form)). Which is correct?

There are many different kinds of love. Robert was dutiful toward his brothers, and no doubt loved them in a way... but he didn't necessarily like them. His relations with Stannis were always prickly. Renly was the baby of the family, and spent little time in Robert's company until he was old enough to come to court. I suspect Robert was fond of the boy, but not especially close to him.

Stannis always resented being given Dragonstone while Renly got Storm's End, and took that as a slight... but it's not necessarily true that Robert meant it that way. The Targaryen heir apparent had always been titled Prince of Dragonstone. By making Stannis the Lord of Dragonstone, Robert affirmed his brother's status as heir (which he was, until Joff's birth a few years later). Robert could just as lawfully retained both castles for his sons, and made Joffrey the Prince of Dragonstone and Tommen the Lord of Storm's End. Giving them to his brothers instead was another instance of his great, but rather careless, generosity.

2-April 10, 1999

REGARDING SANSA

SUBMITTED BY: KAY-ARNE HANSEN

Your question re Sansa...

The way I see it, it is not a case of all or nothing. No single person is to blame for Ned's downfall. Sansa played a role, certainly, but it would be unfair to put all the blame on her. But it would also be unfair to exonerate her. She was not privy to all of Ned's plans regarding Stannis, the gold cloaks, etc... but she knew more than just that her father planned to spirit her and Arya away from King's Landing. She knew when they were to leave, on what ship, how many men would be in their escort, who would have the command, where Arya was that morning, etc... all of which was useful to Cersei in planning and timing her move.

Ned's talk with Littlefinger was certainly a turning point, though I am not sure I would call it =the= turning point. There were other crucial decisions that could easily have changed all had they gone differently. You mention Ned's refusal of Renly, which was equally critical. And there is Varys to consider, as well as the minor but crucial player everyone forgets -- Janos Slynt, who might have chosen just to do his duty instead of selling the gold cloaks to the highest bidder.

So... all in all, I suppose my answer would be that there is no single villain in the piece who caused it all, but rather a good half dozen players whose actions were all in part responsible for what happened.

Hope that helps.

(And let me add that I am always astonished to be reminded how fiercely some of my readers argue these points. It's gratifying to know I have readers who care so much, although if truth be told sometimes I get the scary feeling that you people know these books better than I do... )

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Gregor may have been misunderstood, but the truly misunderstood one in this story is Puddles.

We mourn your brutal murder, Puddles :bawl: .

:bang: :bang: :bang: Damnit dont bring up Puddles.......im still grieving his vicious murder.. :crying: :crying: :crying:

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..Aerion didn't do much to his siblings that I can recall...

Aerion did crawl into Egg's bed with a dagger and talked about castrating his brother so he could have a sister to marry.

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Aerion did crawl into Egg's bed with a dagger and talked about castrating his brother so he could have a sister to marry.

Whoops, forgot that one. Okay, he goes on the list.

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i'm trying to restrain myself, so in efforts of peace i offer these two SSM

-snip-

I don't see how either of those point to either Sansa or Robert being terrible siblings.

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:bang: :bang: :bang: Damnit dont bring up Puddles.......im still grieving his vicious murder.. :crying: :crying: :crying:

Puddles will be remembered. Puddles sacrifice will go on.

The Others will take Vengeance. That can be our only solace.

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