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  1. I want every detail of every house, major or minor, so that those details can be incorporated into the Crusader Kings 2 mod. The more information the better.
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    Why did Roose spare Ramsey's life?

    Bolton-On is kind of fun but I don't believe it is true. My favorite theory is that Domeric was actually Brandon's son and when he returned from the Vale Roose realized this. However I don't think he had the boy killed; I think everyone just thinks he did. I'd wager the Old Man in the dungeons of the Dreadfort is severely malnourished Domeric. Perhaps Roose thought a bastard of Winterfell could be a useful tool if kept alive and used under the right circumstances? Perhaps as well... he did yet have some affinity for the boy and could not bring himself to kill him. I know that Barbrey says that Roose has no feelings but I think she's wrong. The emotionless demeanor is an act Roose uses for strategic purposes because it makes him hard to read. I think his reminiscing about Domeric does indicate a sense of loss and frustration at being robbed of a good heir (either because that heir was killed or because he realized that heir was not his). Roose would become a bit boring if he was just a monster and didn't have any humanity to him. He's cold and ruthless, but I do think he is human and even capable of at least slight, safe, self-interested compassion or affinity for others such as Domeric, Fat Walda, or even Barbrey whom he seems to regard as an equal.
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    Why Does Cersei Want To Be A Man I Mean Be Jaime?

    She wants power, prestige, respect, and a greater sense of independence.
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    Did Roose actually think Ramsay was dead

    He kicked those ironborn out by first slaughtering a host of loyal Northmen.
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    Do people actually believe Bolt-on?

    I think it is silly and really overdoes Roose's "strangeness". Really, he seems pretty normal in the Reek chapters when he is in private company. That said, I wouldn't be surprise if the Boltons practice or practiced some form of magic related to their flaying customs. My pet theory is that Roose will defeat Stannis by pulling another "Renly's Ghost" on him only with the Young Wolf. I think it is quite possible he took possession of Robb's body and flayed him and some trickery will result.
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    Tender side of Tywin, Roose, And Walder.

    I think all three of them are human thus capable of some, limited, very private warmth towards people they are very close to. However such people are probably very uncommon or that warmth might only be shown when they were very young.
  7. Whatever happens they'll be writing songs about the Young Wolf for another 8 thousand years. Some day, they'll even make big budget movies about it and novelizations that "dramatize" the events. The interesting part will be to see how the story changes over the centuries, which parts get embellished or what events from before, during, or after his time get added into his story. They'll be a Tim Burton-esque version that is more generous to the Frey account, and an animated version Disney Westoros version where he survives the Red Wedding but that's his low moment, but he triumphantly turns the tables on his enemies. Likely a popular version of the tale will be how it wasn't some Westerling he loved, but... a LANNISTER! Only the rest of Lannisters and even Robb's own bannermen and kin couldn't tolerate it, so ironically the two warring families conspired to murder the young lovers just so they could avoid peace and continue to kill each-other. So senseless.
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    What Would Robert Have Done Had He Acknowledged The Truth?

    I think it all depends on the specific circumstances, but Cersei, Jaime and their kids are definitely dying. If Robert can get his hands on Cersei or Jaime when he finds out then I think he'd attempt to do the deed himself. As has been said before that could end in him being killed by Jaime. When it comes to kids... they have to die. Same as Daenerys. Robert wouldn't do it himself just as he wouldn't kill Dany himself and wouldn't have killed Aegon or Rhaenys himself... but he can give the order. They'll be taken outside by the headsman and executed. Quiet, clean, and fast, and any guilt Robert might feel about it will just be redirected at the Lannisters for subjecting him to it just as he re-directed his guilt over Rhaenys and Aegon onto Dany and Viserys.
  9. I think that Robert post-Rebellion is a Robert fundamentally unhappy with life, stressed and depressed and as a result his worst character aspects become the dominant facets of his personality. If he'd had Lyanna... maybe he'd have been happier. Maybe. It's also possible that a relationship with her wouldn't work because he might still fail to remain faithful. It is possible Robert was just destined to be unhappy as an older man because his character flaws were too big for him to conquer, or he simply always lacked the will.
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    Why did nobody try to curb Joffrey?

    Raising Joffrey properly probably would have meant he'd just be a more successful psychopath. Granted, that might be better for the realm. In regards to Robert, I don't think he was an evil person, but he was a weak person. Maybe even a bad person, at times.
  11. -fort is going to be attached to any fortress... the Dread Fortress, the Red Fortress, the Night Fortress, the Bane Fortress, ect... The only, very thin, connection between the Dreadfort and House Redfort isn't the "fort" part it is the Dread/Red parts. It's notable because Roose/GRRM decided to have his heir squire there and the ancient Bolton kings were the RED Kings. Like I said, it is very thin and might mean nothing at all and Roose could have a much more mundane reason for squiring his heir to Lord Horton Redfort.
  12. Lots of Walder or Walda Freys, some Hoster Freys, right? Also, Hosteen... Lyanna Mormont... lots of Lords like to name children after other Lords whom they want to curry favor from.
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    Regarding Cersei Lannister

    I really liked how her character was established in the first book and continued in in A Clash of Kings and a Storm of Swords. Her POV chapters in the following books were entertaining but I have always had one gripe with them: the prophecy thing. I feel that it ruins her character in a way. It is not a necessary addition to make her actions and perspective relatable or believable. I think that everything we need to know about her baseline as a person was very believably put together in A Game of Thrones. She loses her mother at a young age with the birth of her deformed younger brother whom even her father hates. She has a close bond with her twin who is groomed for leadership while she is groomed only to be a wife, despite her desiring so much more and she and her twin being indistinguishable to most people at a young age. When she first meets Roberte she is impressed and awed by this great hero but on their wedding night her humiliates her by whispering the name of another woman. Throughout their marriage he never loves or cares for her or even respects her, instead giving into drunkness and whoring and likely depression. Worse, when drunk or angry he physically abuses her and, medieval notions of married sex aside, forces himself up on her, often as a means of humiliate her brother as well. I think it is no surprise at all that with her backstory and environment for the last 15 or so years she has grown into a cynical, mean, angry, ruthless woman. Her children are hers ans fulfill her revenge fantasies against her husband. As a mother it is only natural that she'd do anything to protect them. When her son is betrothed to a naive little girl I believe the reader can also see how she might have content for her to-be daughter-in-law for being so innocent and ignorant, and perhaps even resentful of this girl for being allowed her silly dreams for so long. In some sense her hostile attitude toward Sansa might also reflect a belief that it is for her own good; Sansa needs to learn the reality of the world and not the songs. Now at no point did I mention the prophecy about her children and a younger, more beautiful queen. I didn't mention it because it isn't necessary. It does two things: makes Cersei a likely murderer from a young age, which means she was probably always a psychopath, and it also gives us a very blunt reason for her to be hateful, paranoid, and downright crazy. Cuz magick. Why? I don't think the prophecy has much depth and it isn't interesting. Thoughts?
  14. Do we ever get a description of how old Lord Rodrik's sons are? It's entirely possible that his son Roose was named for his son-in-law, providing he was born just after Roose married Bethany.
  15. It can imply that but it doesn't have to imply that. All it means is a comparison of the two riding, it doesn't imply anything else as to whether they actually raced one another or not. The comparison could have occurred directly by the two being of an age and riding together or it could be a comparison done after the fact by someone who witnessed both ride at separate times and places. Such I could compare an old (American) Football player to a modern (American) Football player and conclude; "Not even Joe Namath could hit a field-goal so well." Mind you these two players played the game a decade or two apart but I saw both play so I can compare. Here is what proves Domeric was not of an age with Lyanna: if he was of an age with Lyanna then he'd be of an age with Lady Dustin as she was of an age with her too. A few yours older, but surely not that many considering Barbrey was a possible match for Brandon or Eddard at one point.
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    Does Roose love Ramsay ?

    "...there would be no castles or keeps for the Leechman's son, only a wildling's sword in his gut and an unmarked grave." - ASOS prologue. I don't know if I got the text exact but close enough.
  17. He was not of an age with Lyanna, it's impossible. He served Lady Dustin as a page, so that was after she married William Dustin, whom she appears to have married just before Robert's Rebellion. So that along with Roose's description of him as a "boy" places him as having been born only a few years before Robert's Rebellion at the most. It seems he finished his squiring for Lord Redfort and then returned home and felt lonely after a little while. A few weeks? A few months? A year or two, maybe. The wiki has his age worked out to being about Theon's age give or take. I think the comparison to Lyanna is misunderstood; Roose/Barbrey are comparing how he rode to how Lyanna rode as they both got to witness each person riding horses, but not necessarily riding horses together. For Domeric to be of an age with Lyanna Roose would need to be about a decade or so older than he appears to be.
  18. Who says he wasn't considered? He died about a year before we pick up the books and at the time of his death Sansa was still a couple years from flowering. I'd imagine Domeric might have been at least considered for Alys Karstark as well. We don't know when she was promised to Daryn Hornwood. Then again, maybe a Bolton with a blood-claim to Winterfell and the North is a bad idea? After all even with the crown's blessing Roose is intent on getting Stark blood into his bloodline and according to supplemental material the two houses has never intermarried. Now, regarding the OP -- I have seen this asked before. How Roose came to know Lord Redfort is anyone's guess. I myself have wondered if the Dreadfort and the Red Kings and House Redfort are connected in some way. It is entirely possible, though there is no evidence for it, that House Redfort is a distant cadet-dynasty of the Boltons started by some brother or second son of an ancient Red King. Or perhaps it is the reverse? Roose's mother could have been a Redfort or maybe he had a brother at some point who was married to one or a sister who married one or an aunt or something. Another possibility of-course is that Roose's first wife was a Redfort. Even if she died without issue he might still wish to maintain a connection to the Redfort's and so send his son and heir by his second wife to squire there. A showing of respect and signalling of a wish to try again, perhaps with the next generation to bind the two houses. Or maybe the two met at some point prior and just hit it off. Honestly, we have no real information to go on so it is just pure speculation that can't possibly provide any answers. I do suspect we'll find out more about the Boltons in the next book if it ever comes out. If nothing else, if the Boltons lose in the North then somebody will want the Dreadfort and figuring out who can claim it would likely reveal to use the marriage history of House Bolton. I find it curious that the Boltons are established in the lore as ancient rivals of the Starks yet in the preceding three or four or more centuries... they are never mentioned as having been important to any of the events in the North or involving the North. They just seem to be inconsequential until 298 when Roose answers Robb's call and then plays his hand at the Game. Perhaps George has kept more modern references to them in the support material released over the years because he plans for them and their history with House Stark to be very prominent in Winds.
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    Does Roose love Ramsay ?

    I love the Barbrey quote too but I think it gets used as kind of a gospel on Roose and that this might not necessarily be valid. People are complex and I doubt Roose is any different. Even Ramsay has depth to him, I think. I would say that the way Roose talks about Domeric's accomplishments in comparison to Ramsay's faults implies some presence of emotion on Roose's part. A longing perhaps? Regret at the loss of a capable and respectable heir? Grief at the loss of a son he hardly got to know? It is possible. He does say that the leeching takes away all the anger, all the pain. So assuming he is speaking truthfully at all, and he might not, it would indicate that under the surface Roose has some pretty strong emotions going on. Even if you believe the theory that the "old man" in the dungeons of the Dreadfort is actually Domeric, and that Domeric was a bastard of Brandon Stark, Roose could still lament his loss of a capable heir. It could even be that he kept the boy alive in part because he couldn't quite bring himself to end the life of the young man he thought was his son. He didn't kill Ramsay, after all, though I think it is a stretch to imagine Roose would hesitate to end anyone if he thought it was the most expedient course of action. Let us consider that in public he has a very strange demeanor, always whispering and emotionless. Downright weird at times. However in his scenes in private with Theon and Ramsay he is pretty casual. He is a bit sarcastic and has a sense of humor. Roose is a bit more 'normal' in private. I don't see any reason why he couldn't be ruthless and manipulative of his subjects and rivals and also have at least some genuine affection for his family. Admittedly it is very hard to tell with him as his statement about Walda's children would conflict with that, but then we know that he knows that Theon is a creature to Ramsay and will report all he says, so how are we to interpret anything he says? His situation and thus motivations are tricky to figure out. He took a huge risk to win power for himself and presumably his dynasty, but in so doing he also exposed his dynasty to the not-so-small prospect of immediate annihilation upon his death. Does a man who maneuvers so carefully through the game of thrones truly not care what comes after? He does think about it with the way he mocks Ramsay's presumed desire to rule the North in light of his open brutality. Some other observations about Roose would be that he does take it upon himself to reward "Nan" for helping in the capture of Harrenhal. He even knows a bit about how to talk to children, asking her if she likes animals when referring to the Lannisters, Starks, and Lorch. He is also patient with her, even when she is defiant and disrespectful. He threatens to remove the tongue from an eight-year-old who speaks out of turn, but would he really go through with it? Arya seems to think so but that's just her POV. Roose did cut the tongue from a serving man at arms who swore in his presence, but that is a man grown who ought to know better and not a small child. Now Roose is my favorite character in part because of all these questions about him though I can't say I know the answers. I imagine the truth about him is somewhere in the middle. A human being who has participated in, even orchestrated, some very monstrous and callous acts in a very monstrous and callous world. In the case of Ramsay... no, he definitely doesn't have any love or affection for him. Ramsay has perhaps proven a useful tool in the Bolton rise to power but he is equal parts a burden. A source of rebellion among his new vassals. Likely the murderer of Roose's trueborn heir, a young man who might have been less ruthless but more useful in the long run because of he was well behaved than he could have married "Arya" and not alienated the rest of the North by abusing her. Nor would he have fermented rebellion by terrorizing the very people he expected to one day bend their knees to him. As is said by Galbart Glover, I believe, most men can stomach bending knee to Roose because while manipulative and ruthless he is not a savage beast. I'd imagine they would have an easier time bending knee to Domeric, presuming he was a nicer man than his father. Almost certainly not a worse man. As well, Ramsay's tales about his father and Reek specify the concept of Roose loving his bastard son and that being the reason for him sending Reek to raise him in the first place. The truth is obviously different and Ramsay knows it... but he wishes otherwise. I think the fact that Ramsay has to tell tall tales about his own backstory regarding his relationship with his father is proof that there is no loving relationship there or any level of genuine concern beyond utility. Perhaps ironically, I do think there is good reason to suspect that Roose himself is wrong about the identity of Domeric's murderer.
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    Aftermath of Daenerys Campaign

    They'll probably be mired in anarchy and suffering for a while and then gradually revert to something like they were before Dany arrived.
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    A Bolton-ruled North

    Roose himself I think could hold the North just fine. People only suspect he was involved in the Red Wedding; he has plausible deniability as anything said about him is just hearsay. He can claim that his men were spared because he arrivedf late and they did not have time to mingle. He himself was spared because he was married to a Frey. The Crown let him bend the knee and then gave him the North, which was occupied and blocked off by the Iron Born at this time and under threat from wildlings as well. If there is no Stannis in the North to rally the resistance against him then it will be much harder for resentful lords to take up arms. It is the presence of Stannis and his additional troops that makes armed rebellion possible. Without it the North will need that decade to replenish their levies and stores while winter rolls through. By that time emotions will have cooled a bit. It all depends on if he can get Ramsay out of the way and how. In the end, Bolton/Stark/Dustin/Lannister/Baratheon -- it's all the same in terms of governance. Some rulers will be good, some will be bad. Roose would be mostly pretty good I should think, if he has the sense to get rid of Ramsay. Lock him up and Roose can just sire sons by "Arya" himself and claim they are Ramsay's. Why not?
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    Would you let Samwell inherit Hornhill?

    No, he is unreasonably craven and as big as Lord Lamprey. I wouldn't threaten his life though or send him to the Wall; I'd just let him go to the Citadel and become a maester. Just forget the whole thing and continue on raising Dickon.
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    How was the 5 year gap ever going to work?

    I don't see what the problem with a five year gap is. Makes sense that after the losses of the War of Five Kings that the various players would want to sit pretty for a few years and replenish their armies. You can flesh out what happened during that period with characters just reflecting on it a bit.
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    Fingers of Roose Bolton

    Forgive me, I don't recall exactly where in which book it is, but according to the wiki Roose Bolton is described as having short, strong fingers. Makes sense, theyh'd be great for grabbing skin and tugging it off. However, his son and one time heir, Domeric, is said by Roose to have played the harp. I can't imagine someone with short, stubby fingers playing the harp very well. Perhaps this is a little bit more "evidence" that Domeric might not have been Roose's son?
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    Fingers of Roose Bolton

    That's true, but in light of certain 'infamous' commentators on this series I wonder about small details like that. When you combine it with other odd details about Roose's history, or that of people close to him, it makes one wonder.
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