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  1. I don't think they do. They share the same goal at present. Only the characters in narrative think they do not (e.g. "I am the fire that burns against the cold." or Dany dreaming of an army of armored in ice reliving the Trident, and melting them "into a torrent."). These are very practical, MERE MORTAL interpretations of what ice and fire are and how they exist oppositional. Instead, they are part of the same god turned corrupt, both acting under that god's power and in service of that god's goal. The god gone bad is the "Good Queen Anne" Nissa Nissa, seeking vengeance in the form of her child (or, her three children, as the mother + three quarrelsome brothers = the four seasons, as in "the quarrelsome brothers" rendition where they war for the same sister-bride, slaying one another, usurping one another. She wants vengeance for her usurpation, rape*, and murder (AAR forges his "hero's"/"king's" sword) and for the murder of her "promised prince" conceived in that rape and usurpation (the child given three fatal wounds to the neck/throat, the gut/roots/graveworms, and the arm--the horned god, the eviscerated god, the disarmed god) and prays "to the trees" that her son(s) will avenge her. She seizes control of their corpses to ensure this happens (the puppet dancing on a string) and uses the wights (the fire wight, the ice wight) to slay "all men" starting with Azor Ahai the Valonqar/the Bad Egg/the Bad Hand of the Queen. *It might've been rape by lie or coercion. Sometimes, the story hints she was seduced and eloped (like Lyanna) but mostly it hints that she was an unhappy, unwilling bride (like Dany) who maybe experienced some measure of Stockholm Syndrome, if she did not outright hate, revile, and fear AAR. It might be all three, honestly, too--each cycle growing more and more corrupt. [Like Nissa Nissa, he has multiple iterations, in the three-headed stone dragon rendition of the creation mythos--the original three quarrelsome brothers of the queen, the bastard tyrant blacksmith (Red Hand, the Sun, eldest brother), Tyrono Mar, the wizarding quagmire perfumed eunuch/stinky steward (the Blue Hand, the large moon, middle brother), and lying whore poisoner father-of-dragons (the Black Hand, the small moon, youngest brother). Who is the Green Hand? The God of Spring, Ygg Ygg/Yss Yss (Nice Egg-->Good Egg-->Good Queen -Anne), herself; she takes a new name with each marriage in its time of dominion/its season, either for or against the brother's behavior, whether she is herself good or bad in the rendition (Tatianna/Tyanna-the tyrant's queen; Amyanna/Myanna--the eunuch wizard's queen; Alysanne/Lyanna--the lying whore father-of-dragon's queen, with which she finally conceives her "promised prince" and becomes mother-of-dragons, to yield the spring anew in bloody bed).] So, when Nissa Nissa's soul went into the Red Sword of Heroes (the Red Comet), what did it do, when forced to slay her own promised prince, for which reason she endured her brother(s) and their usurpations at all? She wailed (the widow's wail, at the Red Wedding (Cat), the Purple Wedding (Cersei), etc.). The Horn of Joramun. Three cries (like on the funeral pyre, when the dragons hatch), with the third loud enough that it sounds like "the breaking of the world" (waking the green giant, the sleeping stone dragon--I am the horn that wakes the sleepers (the sleeping dragons).) She cried tears of blood (this is a prayer for vengeance). Dragon eggs (empty, soulless)/Bloodstone moon rocks falling to the earth. She gave her child's corpse one "last kiss" (of lightning) as her body rained down to "break the world" and with that last kiss, she nursed this child upon vengeance, her rancid mother's milk, utterly worthless to welcome a child to the world ("born with the dead" and direwolves suckling milk of their dead mother, etc.) to raise him as a wight and carry out her bidding (to kill her brother-husband(s) and "all men" with them), a mere puppet dancing on her string. (Beric Dondarrion, the Lightning Lord; Lady Stoneheart (fire wights); the wights above the Wall, with the Others, the ice dragon). Nissa Nissa /Yss Yss / Ygg Ygg Good Queen Anne is the Great Other (God--the green giant, the stone dragon, of which her brother, AAR, is merely a "head") who must not be named. The Nice Egg becomes the Ice Egg. But also "Mother of Dragons" (fire dragons as well as ice dragons). So this is what lies in the Heart of Winter (as it lies in the Heart of Summer, too): hatred and promise of vengeance. All men must die (for crossing her, committing treason against their rightful queen and king, the promised prince). All men must serve (her and that goal, including her pitiful child's corpse!). Catelyn is getting her answer ("did your old gods ever answer you?") although she presumes "the gods kept their silence... as they talked of the coming battle." The answers come "quiet." The answer: a mother's tear. "A crack ran down through the Mother's left eye. It made her look as if she were crying." I bet that tear was dark. Red blood? Black blood? "Spare them if you can" Cat prayed Nissa Nissa, who cries in answer. "They are sons." Nissa Nissa's heart is icy as it is fiery, though ("If ice can burn..." "frozen fire..." and "a frozen hell reserved for the Starks of Winterfell" amongst those "seven hells" half-and-half.) and Cat receives as "scant comfort here" in her, as in the Stranger. Who is the Stranger? Nissa Nissa. The Red Comet. The Red Sword of Heroes forced to slay her own son in her bloody bed. What happens when the Red Comet returns? The Mother of Dragons hatches "stone" dragon eggs in a brutal and revolting way, some heinous magical ritual. What happens when the Stars Fall? (ref: fAegon at the Sorrows, Ashara Dayne at the Palestone Sword Tower of Starfall, Jon's rain of fiery arrows at the Wall--upon wildlings, upon Others, in his dream "armored in black ice" but wielding the Red Sword of Heroes; upcoming: Cersei from the Maidenvault; either Marg or Arianne, the Princess in the Tower, who fAegon weds--or both?) Dragons are born here, too. (fAegon is born. Ashara Dayne is fancied to be Jon Snow's mother, of the Tower of Joy. Cersei falls to the Mummer's Dragon, after deaths of her bastard golden dragons, and convicted for deaths of trueborn Targ dragons--when fAegon becomes King Aegon VI; and fAegon's heir is born, to progress the dynasty after his death when the Jon becomes Sword of the Morning instead of Red Sword of Heroes' puppet). What happens when the Horn of Joramun blows? More dragons. Dany's dragons (the three sounds on the pyre). fAegon (the sound the stone wights/greyscale infected men make as they rain upon ship and water on the Sorrows from the bridge). Jon Snow (Ghost's howling, as he heard Ghost whimper when they first met) dies and is reborn, waking dragons from stone. I am the horn that wakes the sleepers (NW). Dragonbinder, with Moqorro and Victarion (when Dany's dragons shall escape the pyramids of Meereen and find their rightful masters and mounters: fAegon, Jon Snow, as she found hers in Daznak's pit--where, remember, her whip cracks, like another dragon-binding horn). The Ice Dragons Cometh with ice wights, too. The dragons awake. Some as mere puppets on a string. Some breaking that string (a great sound, that snapping string, waking a "sleeper" within a shell, I'd imagine!) to dance to their own tune. The gods no longer do what they're supposed to do. What is the Mother supposed to do? Love the little children. Shield and protect the little children. Not use their piteous corpses as her puppets, seeking vengeance. Cat wonders here what a mother would not do for her child. So, what if Cat failed to save Bran's life at Winterfell, like she failed to save Robb's at the Twins? Who came of that? Lady Stoneheart. The Mother isn't doing what mothers do anymore, because she failed at being a mother, and now, all she craves is vengeance for the vilest act of treason. A treason for blood. A treason for gold. A treason for love. AAR/Valonqar wanted to be king, though it was his sister's "by all rights," (treason for a golden crown). He usurps her. For love of her son, her promised prince, Nissa Nissa goes along with it all... until, another treason: a treason for blood (he slays her to forge himself a right proper kingly sword, can defeat any foe). And what does he do with that sword once he's turned her into it? He slays that child she loves, so he cannot rise up to retake his rightful throne as Corn King. Wailing and broken over his corpse, Nissa Nissa will not have it anymore, and she commits treason too, a treason for love--she brings dragon wights into the world, when she was meant to be a mother of dragons, not a mother of monsters. The dream dies and so does Dany with it (black wings buffeted her round the head, a scream of fury cut the indigo air, the visions were ripped away, and Dany greets a horror: the heart of winter, dancing her about like a puppet on a string, though she is a corpse. So can a queen, in marrying the bastard (tyrant), but when she does... the legitimate heir becomes a threat, he must eliminate. When that happens, what comes of it? A vow before a (bleeding) heart tree, to carry out its bidding (fight its war). One god usurped the other, but are any of them true gods? What power does a vow sworn to a heart tree have if the god in the heart tree no longer has a worthy heart of its own? And if you break that vow, committing treason against it? (Breaking the string between you, so you might carry out your own bidding, fight your own wars... against the Great Other god, Heart of Winter, this time, truly? Burn the weirwoods (white and black) and become the King you were born to be, the Corn King, God of Spring, but it will be no gift from any man but yourself, seizing back your agency. And here, we see the Heart of Winter and what it wants. This is a terrible knowledge, indeed, to make children cry. As time slips backwards, Bran sees the prophecy progress from the promised prince restoring order by ascending as Corn King (this would be RLJ and Ned's promise to Lyanna). Instead, he sees a pregnant woman praying to a heart tree for a son to avenge her. Why does she want vengeance? She had a husband and lover once (to get preggers, she must've had something like one). A dark-eyed youth, pale and fierce (the Sun, AAR, the Valonqar), who hacks the weirwood tree to pieces (three arrows-->three dragons-->three wounds to the dragon: neck, gut, arm-->three dragons that broke the world with the thousand corpses that rained on earth, for which three great black fists (smoke; fire wight; black; ice wight) rise up and killed the sun, causing the Long Night). Why is he doing this? To slay dragons (Torrhen Stark fancied weirwood arrows would kill Aegon the Conqueror's dragons, remember). This is a cycle, but something terrible has gone wrong with it (the Seasons, the corruption of the three-headed stone dragon god, Trios, the female great god becomes male in the telling, the male lesser gods become female in the telling (gender swapping), and they all usurp one another (Mother-Father-Son; Brothers/Sisters). What went wrong in the cycle? The Sun god forced his captive (promised prince) down to his knees (so he could not become the rightful king) and slew him. He forced a woman to help him. A Crone (Nissa Nissa, gone into the Red Sword of Heroes/the Red Comet). The Crone was once a Mother was once a Maiden. And she wants vengeance for this godawful deed. Eddard's narrative is primarily concerned with Nissa Nissa's story (Lyanna and Lysono Mar, Father-of-Dragons, in this rendition, RLJ in the narrative rendition, the corrupt versus the true tale). In one version, they fall in love, elope, have a child, and ought to have lived happily ever after, king and queen and promised prince. But what happened? What corrupted that story? Enter the giant bastard tyrant usurper, the unworthy king of the RLJ rendition, who lies that Lyanna was kidnapped and raped, who gladly climbs a throne over corpses of rightful princes, slain in heinous ways and sends assassins after any living pretender that can threaten his Usurper's claim to the Iron Throne--including children, girls and pregnant girls and babies in the womb!--who doesn't even cherish the uncomfortable throne he sits upon, having climbed it over child corpses (killed for his convenience to spurn his kingdom without fear of retaliation from any quarter)... would that list of dead children include Jon Snow/Aemon Targaryen? Even Ned, his so-called "brother," doesn't seem to know, because he insists upon keeping up the pretense to soothe his temper and hiding his "bastard son" from all scrutiny, even sending him to a prison colony to live and die wretched, wifeless/loveless, childless, and penniless (more-or-less, without any threatening resource). [As an aside, this king is preoccupied with winning Ned's grace for his own bastard heirs to sit unworthy upon the throne he usurped of its rightful ruler--Rhaegar--for petty reasons--Lyanna, humiliating him, to run away with the man she loved, spurning his (whoring) hand to do. I do believe Robert knows Ned's secret, and this is precisely the reason he chose him as Hand. He wants Ned to do for his bastards what he did for Lyanna's son. Lie about legitimacy. Save a life. Keep a family together. On the road south, he hints, hints, hints, he knows Wylla is not Jon's mother, because he wants Ned to tell him the truth at last, so he can finally ask for his help outright--only to be distracted by petty vengeance and Targ children he wants to murder! Not even for a single conversation, can he hold it together, kingly!] Ned cannot escape the consequences of supporting this bastard tyrant, seating him on a throne he never deserved and never truly wanted (but for the "gold" of it--the power to do whatever he feels like doing whenever he feels like doing it, but refusing to "count [the] coppers" to know the cost and the value of his actions], dead children, desperate mournful mothers, and the curses of kingslaying, kinslaying, and child-slaying. Might it be, the curse of slaying a child-king, your own kin? Reading some of Ned's chapters (or quotes) backwards is truly enlightening. Ned is a "thrice-damned fool" destined for "a frozen hell reserved for the Starks of Winterfell" with good reason. This is the horse he played in cyvasse, this vile token. He broke a promise to his sister (Ned keeps letter of law, but breaks its spirit--what we see in his very first scenes, executing that Night's Watch deserter--he believes he murdered a madman, just like Jaime did at King's Landing!) and therefore committed treason against his child-king. If that's the kind of hypocrisy he engages in on Robert's behalf, is it any wonder, nobody believes Ned wouldn't kill Theon Greyjoy (that exception to the rule) if Robert needed him to? He might've argued with Robert over Jon's siblings, but in the end, he just sidestepped their corpses, too; what more evidence did he truly need than Rhaenys and Aegon to make him second-guess his chosen "king," let alone all the while riding south to the Tower of Joy to finish usurping his rightful king, slaying his Kingsguard to do so and undermining all that was left of his army and supporters along the way--and what did he fancy Rhaella and her children ought to be doing, whilst he was "making exceptions" where Jon Snow was concerned, if they couldn't escape Dragonstone? [Whilst it's possible to argue the virtues of supporting Jon/Aemon T., the only correct answer for Ned to give Lyanna on her deathbed was no. I cannot do X for you, but I can do Y. Not make a promise intending to break it, keeping its letter in violation of its spirit. He does the same to Robert as he did to Lyanna, amongst others). If things had gone well with that promise (if there had been no treason in it), those blue rose petals falling from her hand should not be "dead and black" (this is symbol of her revenge, not her satisfaction with his devotion and duty, keeping his promises--a dead, black (black blooded) wight spills out of her hand). Who is cursing him (and others like him) for sake of this betrayed and slain child-king? The Mournful Mother Merciless. She goes mad with grief for that child, so there's no longer a limit to what she would or would not do (as Jaime wrongly states of Cat--her honor would halt her from pure vengeance; tell poor Jinglebell, I guess!). Bad people think they can wrong good people with impunity because they are good. The same goes for men in this story, as it concerns women (patriarchy and misogyny rearing ugly heads). The same for children (stealing candies from babies). The gods say no. In the Heart of Winter, as in the Heart of Summer, that no, screams loudest of all for a good long while. Only the "quiet answer" of the slain promised prince himself will ever speak louder. The Mother of Dragons goes mad with grief for her dead child, after her traitorous brother (broke his word--what word? He promised her a prince!) usurped her and her son. Finally, the puppet breaks free of her control to turn that blade upon her and put an end to all the madness. The son has enough and restores order. Unlike Ned in the above passage with Ser Arthur Dayne, Jon's "now it ends" is falling on the right side of history and deity. He's not lying to himself about just what he's seen enough of. Dragons, north and south, east and west, and all the fiery, icy carnage they cause.
  2. The more the merrier! We should start a correspondence club--white ravens only! I don't think there is an "ice" or "fire" affinity as such, as you put it, but that ice and fire are two halves of the whole (the whole (broken) heart of winter, the moon god, the god of black and white, the weirwood and the shade of the evening, the black blood (pool) nourishes them both and is either corrupt and freezing cold or corrupt and seething hot). She scourges with both fire (Dany's fire dragons in Essos) and ice (Winter, the Ice Dragon, Cometh in Westeros). The Song of Ice and Fire is the song of apocalypse by both ends, (the Robert Frost poem: but if the world should perish twice.) The apocalypse is both elements out of control. To restore them, the puppet must shake off its mother's strings. No more fire dragon for you. No more ice dragon for you, either. I serve myself. I serve my people. I serve my kingdom. I bring against you the stone dragon. And restore the rightful balance of the seasons, to make them incorruptible again. Being the product of R+L makes J a stone dragon, birthed by an ice dragon, sired by a fire dragon. He has the green balance within him, restored to him. Dany's "affinity" is just the greening effect of the Dothraki Sea drying because her fire is burning too hot. She consumes the green power within her. Consuming (via fire), she becomes the Destroyer Head of Trios. 1st Forging/ 1st Mounting. The Red Comet (Nissa Nissa, where her soul went after the AAR incident instead of into the dragon eggs rained upon earth) heralds the fire of the song. fAegon does the same thing, but to a lesser extent. His temper flies too high and hot, ruining best-laid plans of mice and men, but still, he manages to plant something enduring although consuming himself in the process. Thus, he becomes the Preserver Head of Trios. 2nd Forging/2nd Mounting. The Shooting Stars (the empty, soulless dragon eggs, rained down as Nissa Nissa's corpse after her soul went into the sword and then was used to slay her own son!) herald his coming, still bringing rains of fire and tears of blood, beseeching vengeance. Jon Snow manages--with help of R+L, the crypts, Cat and Jaime--to find the proper balance again, to sing the song of ice and fire, the rendition that permits the corn to flourish and feed the men, that men need not feed the crows. (Dany makes popcorn and fAegon spreads the seeds, supposing, lol). 3rd Forging/3rd Mounting. The stone dragon reawakens, but will not suffer himself to be the puppet of a mother (ice dragon or fire dragon) in search of vengeance. He chooses instead the pearl without price. The Horn of Joramun (the Mother's Cry, giving birth to a living child, ToJ--"when your womb quickens and you bear a living child again" what MMD says to Dany pertains to Jon +Jaime , just like "seas go dry" pertains to Dany and Tyrion, and "mountains blow in the wind" pertains to fAegon + Cersei) will herald Jon Snow's coming, the waking of the stone dragon, waking the giant of the earth (the green giant). The Creator Head of Trios.
  3. Yep! That's precisely what I believe. Jon Snow is the Three-Eyed Crow of Bran's encounters; it's a white crow with red eyes (its coloration is never yet described in the books but inferred via Ghost, Patchface, and the Maesters' white raven flocks). When you reread Bran's falling sequence with it in mind that Jon Snow is the 3EC trying to save his baby brother, his storyline there--and leading unto the sojourn beyond the Wall, with all his indulgence in abomination--becomes much more poignant, as well as Cat's vicious remark "It should've been you." Give it another read, if you haven't already. It's an interesting chapter, when you know they're brothers and that this is all happening "sorta kinda" after Jon's assassination in at the Wall. Jon is reaching back through time (like a weirwood) to work a miracle for his brother, after his own death, leading to his resurrection. It's like Jesus Christ visiting the Underworld. (I think what went wrong in part in the show is that Bran's story arc is not one that transfers well to film, so they gave him half of Jon's story arc, thinking, no problem. Then, later, realized Jon has F-All to do, so... let's steal Stannis's storyline to make up for it! They do this repeatedly--as well as refusing to kill off or enforce consequence upon characters or actors they favor--and the result is pure nonsense.)
  4. I think the prophecies as written should be considered three-pronged (each head has a tale to tell and prophecy to live) and interconnected. One Treason for Blood: Dany becomes Mother of Dragons. Her False Dragon Foil, Tyrion, who dreams of burning his family with dragons, often sells his blood up the river in exchange for vengeance, though he's meant to be (or desired to be) Hand of the King, their first line of defense. One Treason for Gold: fAegon becomes Aegon VI, a puppet to the Golden Company and the Blackfyre Restoration's efforts. His Dragon Foil, Cersei, also commits Treason for Gold: conceiving only bastard children, seating them upon the Iron Throne, and getting them all killed (golden shrouds). One Treason for Love: R+l=J. His False Dragon Foil, Jaime, also commits Treason for Love--"the things I do for love"--repeatedly, just like his siblings in their prongs of the prophecy, breaking any oath he must in order to do so. This passage is too often taken outside the context of the chapter (revealing that prophecy in its entirety even before she gets to this chamber! The chapter must be analyzed as a whole. All prophetic parts should be put together, like a puzzle. So this one: the old, bright (silver), true (Targ) dragon versus the young, dark (gold), false (Lannister) dragon with three heads. The Dragon god has three heads. Earth (Stone Dragon) plus her three quarrelsome brothers: Sun (Bastard Tyrant Hand of the Queen--AAR archetype), Big Moon (Wizarding Quagmire Advisor; Varys Archetype), Small Moon (Lying Whore, Father-of-Dragons; Littlefinger Archetype) Dany is, herself, playing the Mother of Dragons in this prophecy sequence. ("...mother of dragons... child of storm...") Something has gone wrong with the gods--the seasons and their crowning symbols--"Her own heart was beating in unison to the one that floated before her, blue and corrupt...." This is telling us "As Above, So Below" in terms of the prophecy. The planetary bodies suffer the same corruption as the ancient god. Dany will suffer in that corrupt too, like all other parties, unless she finds a way to break free of it (no longer a puppet dancing on a string). So, what does the three-headed dragon do? Dany: =[Destroyer Aspect of Three-Headed Deity, Trios] Light a fire for life, ride a mount to bed, know a treason for blood. She brings fire dragons back into the world. She lights a fire for life (the magical ritual she must perform to hatch the dragon eggs). She rides a mount to bed (she marries Khal Drogo and they conceive a child together, what carries her to the bloody bed and the tent of terror). She commits a treason for blood (she sacrifices that child in exchange for a "mount"--Drogo, whose stallion she commanded slain after unhorsing him forcibly in the Dothraki Sea). fAegon: [Preserver Aspect of Three-Headed Deity, Trios] Light a fire for death, ride a mount to dread, know a treason for gold. He becomes King of Westeros, Aegon VI, the father of dragons (i.e., he's the only one who sires a dynasty to progress). He lights a fire for death when he takes the place (unwitting) of Aegon VI, Rhaegar's son, and rides to war in Westeros to restore the Targaryen Dynasty (Fire and Blood). He rides a mount to dread when he bonds with Rhaegal and rides him into battle and to his death at the God's Eye, brother slaying brother (Jon Snow kills fAegon when he rides south with Stannis's host). Inside that dread mount, he might even meet the soul of his dead cousin, Aegon VI, and realize the horror that was done to him by his advisors and supporters. Which brings us to a treason for gold--the Blackfyres succeed to supplant the House of Targaryen at last, because Jon Snow will surely need an heir of the blood. Jon Snow: [Creator Aspect of Three-Headed Deity, Trios] He lights a fire to love when he dies and becomes the Three-Eyed Crow, to learn of his ancestry in the Winterfell crypts, RLJ, and is reborn Aemon Targaryen. He rides a mount to love, when he skinchanges into his other lives (Ghost, Viserion) and rides down the kingsroad at last, to advance the cause of the Night's Watch against the Others. He knows a treason for love in RLJ when Ned Stark, who BROKE Lyanna's promise (by keeping the letter of the law and breaking its spirit--which is precisely how we see "thrice-damned fool" Ned handle three separate promises in A Game of Thrones) for love of Robert Baratheon, and ultimately, sent her Targaryen King to the Wall, so he could prove no threat to the Baratheon Dynasty in the time of its upheaval. Note, this is the only promise Ned actually broke "for love" (a curious turn of phrase "and once for love" instead of "and one for love"); the others, he broke in service of his own aims. Do any of the False Dragons do similar things? Tyrion--a fire for life, a mount to bed, a treason for blood Tyrion burns the Blackwater to save King's Landing. He betrays and rapes his own wife Tysha and murders his own sire because of it. He's twice accused of committing treason and murdering important rulers, Jon Arryn, Hand of the King, and Joffrey Baratheon, King of Westeros, and once convicted of them. Because of his conviction, her turns upon House Lannister, keen to bring them vengeance and pay his debts, hoping to use Dany as a crutch and fAegon as fodder. Cersei--a fire for death, a mount to dread, a treason for gold Cersei murders Robert and starts the ball rolling on Ned (via Joffrey) and the War of the Five Kings, and all that follows. As Robert's queen, she suffered many rapes and sexual assaults, including her bride night encounter where Robert called out Lyanna's name inside her, and so refused to bear him legitimate heirs, killing the only child in womb she knew to be his. She usurps the IRON THRONE for HOUSE LANNISTER and her children (with three golden crowns and three golden shrouds). Jaime--a fire to love, a mount to love, a treason for love Jaime slays Rossart, King Aerys II's pyromancer, to prevent him burning King's Landing, but then, when it is no longer necessary (city saved from fire, city lost to rebels), he slays Aerys II, too, becoming Kingslayer, to avenge himself when Aerys II demanded Tywin's head if he were loyal. He tells no one about the lurking threat of wildfire, some of which is later used by Tyrion to burn Stannis's ships at the Blackwater. He has an incestuous affair with his sister, siring her bastard children, aiding her to usurp the Baratheon kingship, and triggering the War of Five Kings when they're 1. caught, and 2. by attacking Ned in the streets of King's Landing and slaughtering his men, to avenge Tyrion's kidnapping to the Eyrie by Cat. He throws Bran (as a guest of his house!) out the Broken Tower window because the child accidentally caught him having his repulsive incestuous affair with his sister, the queen, and stated as he did, "the things I do for love." If you want to know more about the deaths of the promised prince and the false dragon foil, you should turn to Maggy the Frog and similar sources, which is where those details are revealed (some can be spied in the HotU, like the naked woman sprawled on the floor with the servitor dwarves raping her, which is the culmination of Cersei's Tyrion dreams!). Other important sources of prophecy: Jon Snow's crypt dreams; Theon's feast of the dead dream; Jaime's weirwood stump dream where his mother comes to him as a "banshee" figure to prepare him for death are all connected to Jon Snow's arc, with bits of Patchface thrown in "the crows are white as snow" and they have red eye; "you fall up!" and "starfish soup" etc. Cersei's dreams of mice and Iron Throne, of Maggy the Frog, and her witch hunt for Tyrion's head form a cohesive whole, and all her thoughts about Maergery and the Maidenvault pertain to her own fate, "Princess in the tower". Also, Arianne. Tyrion's dreams of dragons, burning his family alive (like Rickard Stark, he dies by a Mad Targ Ruler intent to have "the greatest funeral pyre of them all.") Moqorro tells Tyrion of his giant shadow and dancing in midst of the dragons. (He's one of them). His chapter in Tyrion, Dance, what I've written a bit about here "(ALL ABOUT OLIVES section):
  5. I developed my understanding of the prince that was promised prophecy most from reading The House of the Undying chapter (Dany, CoK), with lots of other posters' analyses leading my thoughts in new directions. To start: The Dragon with Three Heads: 01. The God-In-Earth / Trios Original Format: Nyssa Nyssa and her three quarrelsome brothers. These represent the seasons. Nyssa Nyssa is Mother Earth/Mother Nature/Spring god. Her brothers each take a turn as her chief husband and Hand of the King: Sun (Summer), Tyono Mar (as oppossed to Nys Nys/ Yss Yss /Ygg Ygg --> Nice Egg = Good Egg = Good Queen (-anne), Nysanne, who takes a new name and mission each season (Tyanna undermines her brother's tyranny, for instance, so she'd be Good Queen Merciful Anne, maybe; Myanna undermines her brother's mischief and magic, so she'd be straightforward and humble, helping people out of the quagmire--think anti-Varys--he's led them into; and Lyanna undermines her brother's destructive lies--think anti-Littelfinger--to be Good Queen Honest Anne or A-Lys-Anne.) In the original format as deity, the seasons turn and the gods sacrifice themselves so the next can ascend, all in proper balance. Nyssa Nyssa rules the spring, the Great God-In-Earth, the green giant stone dragon. Tyono Mar, her brother-husband and Hand of the King, is the Sun, one of her heads. Next comes the middle brother, Myono Mar to have his day as king, Autumn. Next comes the littlest brother, Lyono Mar to have his day as king and hand, Winter. With WINTER, she conceives a child (Summer is a bastard and Fall is a eunuch) to become Father-and-Mother of Dragons. Their children can also become party to this cycle, when queen dies and the next king arises, Spring, Corn King. Amongst his siblings, like Nyssa Nyssa, he needs a bride, sworn sword, and advisor to help him rule the year. The seasons went out of whack when the gods did--started usurping one another instead of supporting and advancing one another. We see this corruption take place in several forms: Brother-Husband usurps Sister-Wife and Queen. AAR and Nyssa Nyssa's story. 02. The Three Quarrelsome Brothers. Brother killing brother a la Bloodraven & Daemon at Gods Eye, Erryk and Arryk, Baratheon Bros. in War of Kings, etc. Summer Usurps Spring. (Renly Usurps Joffrey) Autumn Usurps Summer. (Stannis Usurps Renly) Winter Usurps Autumn. (Jon Snow Usurps Stannis--but also Ironborn, Wildlings, Northmen, etc., playing this role) There are FOUR colors of the deity, like there are four seasons. Green--Spring. Red--Summer. Blue--Winter Coming/Autumn. Black--Winter Arrived/Winter. These are also the HANDS of the QUEEN we see repeated in narrative. The Green Hand--The RIGHTFUL HAND, the HAND OF THE CORN QUEEN/KING, SPRING, the HAND OF THE FOREST/GREEN DRAGON. The Red Hand--The Hand of the Sun/Summer The Blue Hand--The Hand of Moon/Autumn (Winter Coming) The Black Hand--The Hand of the Puppet (Winter's End, Becoming Spring; the hand of restoration, in its own right, as it was the hand of revenge in its mother's right). So, we have a dragon with three heads as the original god. Something goes wrong, and the gods start acting against their natures. Father usurps Mother, kidnapping her, holding her hostage, raping her, and then murdering her in magical ritual to empower himself. (He's meant to be sacrificing his life so she--pregnant--may survive with their promised prince). Mother (now in the sword*) raises revenant of dead son to slay father. He, now a wight, picks up sword and kills AAR, a puppet on a string, nursed upon his mother's rancid milk. By her widow's wail and her last kiss, she revived him against his will and subjected him. (Think Others raising wights. Beric raising Dondarrion). Brother Kills Brother. The children fight amongst themselves for the rule of the world, seasons going out of whack. There is no longer any joy but only pain and suffering in the turn of seasons, the curse of Kinslaying. The blight of Kingslaying. You might reference the Knight of Summer (Renly) and the Revenant Knight of Summer (Garland in his armor at Blackwater) or the Grey King, Ser Erryk and Ser Arryk, Bloodraven & Daemon, the Dance of Dragons, and much more for this narrative motif. It's repeated often. Trios of the Three Heads is an iteration of what the Dragon was Supposed to be. So is Sam's song to Gilly's son, above the wall. Looking at Sam's song, if the gods are no longer in their righteousness, what are they doing? Father--Judging right from wrong--choosing wrong. Warrior--Protects the meek--now slays, subjects, and abuses the weak to glory and gain for himself. Smith--Builds cities and prosperity--now razes cities and sacks them, reaving and raping. Maiden--a chaste bride, dreaming of becoming a mother--victim of rape with only solace of the child, stolen from her Mother--merciful--vengeful Crone--wise, guides thru darkest night with bright lamp--unwise, leads all men to their deaths And nowhere do any of them truly "love the little children." (Even the Maiden in this rendition loves the child as a crutch.) The Song of the Seven - A Wiki of Ice and Fire (westeros.org) So, everything's twisted and corrupted above... and so below. Who are the Three-Headed Dragons? There are Two of them, and they are fighting each other, making the world worse. The Young, Dark, False Dragon: Jaime--sworn sword, kingslayer, oathbreaker (bastard tyrant) Cersei--queen, mother of monsters (lying whore) Tyrion--hand of the king (advisory quagmire) The Old, Bright, True Dragon: Dany--Advisory Quagmire attempting to reform itself, cleansed of corruption. Puppet tries but fails to snap its string. fAegon--king, father of dragons, learning how to rule and to establish a lasting dynasty, cleansed of corruption (next gen will be his daughter, I believe, as I don't think Jon or Dany are having anymore kids, having been literally raised as revenants and sacrificing their own bloodline. fAegon, we do not see sacrifice his bloodline, so his is the one that shall progress, to establish the new Targ dynasty). Puppet tries but fails to snap its string, but gets closer to success this time. Jon Snow--sworn sword attempting to reform itself and uphold oaths, however inconvenient and painful, cleansed of corruption (the oath in particular, NW's oath to stand against the Others). He becomes the puppet broken of its string (like Coldhands). The prophecy is stated most clearly in the House of the Undying (I have an analysis of it written but I haven't submitted it yet) and in all the dreams of the characters: Dany, Jon Snow, Theon, Jaime, Cersei, Tyrion, etc. When they have their queer dreams, pay attention, they're telling you the prophecy of the promised prince, unfolding. It's also stated clearly in Maggy's prophecy to Cersei, with other bits of Cersei's narrative. The HotU and Maggy's (etc.) prophecies must be read as three pronged (each head has a story here, I mean). So here we have the Long Night falling and Cersei (unwittingly) prognosticating over a candle as the stars are lost to the skies. She's (unwittingly) thinking about her fate (the closing paragraph tells us how to (re)read the above). She (gold) dies locked in the Maidenvault, tasting the salt of her tears (for her three bastard children). This is the result of single combat, what she ought to have known better than to engage in (and more on this), usurping the Iron Throne. Jon Con, Hand of the King, imprisons her, until she leaps to her death, unable to take it anymore. Cersei tells Maggy precisely what she cares about before Maggy tells her it will all be taken from her: 1. Being Queen 2. Having Princely Heirs 3. Relying upon Jaime to fight all her battles and win them for her. It's taken "when comes another, younger and more beautiful." For Cersei, this is fAegon. Jaime (green) dies in the crypts beneath Winterfell (not literally, but connect Lady Stoneheart in the Hills of the Riverlands, now part of the North, and Jon's dreams of the crypts, with Theon's dreams of the feast of the dead, and Jaime's dream of the crypt and of his mother as a Silent Sister--not that she's alive, but she's come on behalf of the Stranger, king of death, to prepare the dead; she's a banshee in that scene, essentially, why she cries/keens). He thinks Ned is coming to judge him with Rhaegar and his Kingsguard brothers. It's not. It's Jon Snow, the Night's Watch, and Lady Stoneheart, his Hand of the King, with the Brotherhood without Banners. Jon is the King he ought to have been serving. Lady Stoneheart has already sent Brienne to lay waste to Jaime in Dance. Jon Snow as Corn King descends to the crypts but manages to "fall up" (Patchface) to fly again, and ascends upon the feast of the dead (the fields of the dragon wars) as king, to make them fallow again, readied for a fruitful harvest. For Jaime, what does he care about? 1. Cersei as his lover--who cheats on him and rejects him after he returns from war in the Riverlands, a different man 2. His sword hand and knightly glory--he loses his hand and his purpose, and as Kingslayer has no glory 3. His honor (broken and destroyed)--he fails in his final attempts to restore his dignity as a knight, doing everything halfhearted and by the letter of the law, breaking the spirit of his oaths, for which he will be rightly condemned (oaths to Cat Stark) Tyrion (red) dies on Dragonstone by Jorah Mormont, finally strangled silent (in Maggy's prophecy, the Valonqar--Hand of the King, as in the original deity, above--wraps his hands about the dragon's pale white throat and chokes the life of it. For Tyrion: 1. His family's love--Tysha, who he rapes to avenge himself that she was gangraped, humiliating him in all of Lannister lands. Tywin's ultimate rejection. Jaime's betrayal. His family loathe him, and now believe he's kinslayer. 2. Power and glory as Hand of the King, thanks and praise of the people, recognition he deems due him--his trial by combats prove how powerless and reviled he truly is by all (and given his conduct as Hand of the King, often rightly so) 3. Riches and Lannister gold (an inheritance)--Tywin disowns him, tries to have him killed or sent to the Wall to renounce his claim, and he even starts selling bits and pieces of it to Brown Ben Plumm and other sellswords in furtherance of vengeance. 4. Revenge--that's going to fail or backfire bigtime, though he's going to wreak incredible havoc until it does Well, what are the old, bright, true dragons doing in this sequence, then? fAegon dies in single combat he ought not to have engaged in--dragon versus dragon above the God's Eye, like Bloodraven and Daemon. He meets the same fate, with a "chill" through the "chest" (Jon Snow piercing him through) and falls to his death. The broken hip (the girdle that holds us up when we walk) speaks to the dragon mount (that breaks beneath him). Dany's Dothraki break and flee (see her dreams of flying to the Trident, exultant... until: the brothers clash, fAegon dies and Jon Snow falls into the water, the dragons fall from the sky, frightening the horses of the horde, and the horde flees. Jorah or Tyrion convinces Dany to return to Dragonstone to regroup, but the castle is soon surrounded by enemy forces, where she, despondent or hoping to make magic twice, has "the greatest funeral pyre of them all" like Aerys II, her father, was planning to before Jaime slew him. Like Gyles, she's "dying" slowly on Dragonstone of a "cough" (all that smoke of the fire). Jon Snow, after all the above, is proclaimed not only Lord of Winterfell and King of the North and the Trident (Robb's decree), but also, in the Great Council that follows, is named King of Westeros, so he can lead the rabble of greybeards and greenboys (mostly archers, hiding behind the Wall, as Jaime has always been so contemptuous of) to triumphant battle against the Others in the Battle for the Dawn. *This is why I say the dragon eggs arrived on Planetos empty and soulless. Nyssa Nyssa's soul went into AAR's RED SWORD, not into a dragon egg. When the Bloodstone fell, it was just stone. The worshippers eventually figured out how to put a soul back into the corpse of the moon, raising it as revenant (the fire dragon). If moon goddess was the mother, then, the riders of these dragons would be nursing of HER mother's milk--cold, dead, poisonous mother's milk curdles, born with the dead! They are milk brothers, not blood brothers (of the same line of descent), united by a bonding event rather than born into the same family. Dragon eggs came lifeless into the world. Unfertilized (like your eggs for breakfast ought to be). Worshippers of the stones found a way to fertilize the eggs (Blood Price) and then to hatch those fertilized eggs (pyre) to reap gain of it. They are essentially doing monstrous, magical IVF, having harvested Nyssa Nyssa's ovaries after her death, to forge a milk brotherhood with the remains of the dead goddess, to ascend themselves as demigods. I've written some of my other thoughts on the prophecy and on Tyrion's dream of spring on this forum before (it's been a while). Was there some question in particular you had? My old topics (though, please keep in mind, some of my thoughts have matured and evolved since my first posts, as I was still working some details out). TheSeason's Content (westeros.org) My early thoughts on the Targ dragons and Tyrion's fate. I now think Euron is somehow in service of the Great Other, but in a particular way... he wants to start his own dragon bloodline and become a dragon, to join in the chaos. The Ice Dragon and The Fire Dragon are just two faces of a spinning coin (or moon), the Long Night. One part of Planetos freezes, the other burns. So, TY IRL, but I did not actually get around to posting this theory, but you can see some of my thoughts here pertaining to what was the nature of Rhaegar's troth to Elia and why Aerys mistrusted Rhaegar until he set her aside and took Lyanna as wife (what Aerys was HAPPY ABOUT, and surely RICKARD "SOUTHRON AMBITIONS" STARK, too, until Brandon flew off the handle, committing treason, and ruined the alliance between them, which Rickard fancied there was still ample chance to save, not realizing he'd fallen into the trap of being judged more for another man's crimes--the Princess of Dorne and her "smells Dornish" royal line of descent). The Aerys II - Dornish - Lannister toxic relationship led Aerys II into the arms of Starks until Starks committed treason (probably the reason none of the Lords of Westeros could rise up solely for deaths of Rickard and Brandon Stark, but needed Aerys to do something actually erratic, calling for Ned and Robert's heads too). 50k Dornish spears was the treason of Dorne that Aerys II fancied he was correcting at Harrenhal (until he fancied Jaime Lannister disobeyed his command and joined the tourney as the Knight of the Laughing Tree) when he permitted Rhaegar to set Elia aside and take Lyanna Stark as second (or maybe first) wife, with the North bringing him 50k men in truth. I think everyone knew where the Tower of Joy was and Aerys was communicating with Rhaegar in exile, which was why it was so easy to find Lyanna after KL's sack (Robert was trying to retrieve her, in the south, when he had more men at his back but got chased north instead) and everybody knew--and knows--it was an elopement rather than a kidnapping and rape (even Robert admits "Rhaegar won" and has Lyanna now, in AGoT). Brandon Stark had no right to fly off the handle at his sister's absconding/elopement, especially if his father approved of the match, and let alone to do so with threats of treason (Aerys's Dornish trigger), so things quickly snowballed from there. I said in my post Rhaegar is king, but I mean it narratively speaking. He's the one they're all clinging to (Dany, like Viserys before her, wants to re-fight and win his war at the Trident; fAegon wants to avenge him too, despite Aerys's treatment of Dorne, what Rhaegar probably let his sire use as crutch, same as he did Jaime Lannister; and Jon Snow has only connection to him, what he'll learn as the Three-Eyed Crow. (who's "white as snow" with red eyes, like Ghost! Note: it's a 3Eyed crow, as a NWman, not a Raven, which I believe is the hint hint, "not Bloodraven" another albino with similar look). This is how Jon is going to "fall up" after his death; he becomes the 3EC and flies, just as we see Bran do in Game. Bran's story heavily mimics and foreshadows Jon's (who we see dead at the bottom of a broken tower, just like Bran is shoved from one), it's a narrative device that probably would not have worked out well on TV, so you end up with nonsense like Bran as King of Westeros but no lands of his own, because Sansa stole them to become Queen of the North in a weirwood dress after breaking her weirwood promise! These two storylines were aped from Jon, so Jon's storyline had to be aped from Stannis (who never sits the Iron Throne). And I won't start on the rest of that monstrosity. This is where I put forth my case that "Lord Tywin!" was the name Elia cried before her death, that Tywin not only "gave the orders" but also was present to do so, and that he was letting his anger get the best of him (you see precisely how his gendered grudge operates, escalating in violence until it results in the Sack of King's Landing and the Rape of the Riverlands), which he regrets (in small part) as shoddy politick in exchange for self-indulgent vengeance, when Elia could've been a chip on the board "nothing in herself."
  6. The Two Kings and the Godswife (and -mother) to Wake the Stone Dragon (GOD-IN-EARTH) 01. Dany’s Dragon: Drogon – Dany (fever dream death sequence in the bloody bed of her marriage tent) + Khal Drogo + Rhaego (Stallion that Mounts the World) [Dany made a deliberate sacrifice to save a life – 1. Viserys for Rhaego 2. Rhaego AND HIS (HEIRLOOM) MOUNT for Drogo – Stallion Who Mounts the World; it was Drogo’s stallion, in which he was meant to live his second life before being sacrificed on the funeral pyre for a second time so he could ride the night lands instead, the Dothraki funeral custom) a. Sacrifices [most corrupt rendition; the first failed attempt to restore the original divinity cycle; twice cursed, once blessed; this is mother of dragons rendition, father sacrifices bride to usurp her (Viserys sacrifices his sister-bride, Dany, to gain a golden crown) and mother sacrifices child to raise a dragon wight to carry out her monstrous bidding, becoming kingslaying kinslayer (son kills father to usurp him; Dany/Drogon usurps Rhaego usurps Drogo as Stallion Mounting the World, but wakes a stone dragon (Drogon and siblings) anyway), a mere puppet on her string—until that string breaks in Meereen via DRAGONBINDER: when Viserion becomes Jon’s mount and Rhaegal becomes fAegon’s, like Drogon is Dany’s;]: i. Mothers: Dany herself (and Rhaella before her), both dying in bloody bed ii. Fathers: Aerys II for Dany, Viserys for Rhaego (Viserys helped raise her, sacrificing a great deal in order to do so right up until AGoT; narratively speaking, she slays her father to save her son) iii. Mount (the gods’ wives in their second lives, married=skinchanged): Rhaego for three dragons, stallion for Drogo iv. False Dragon Foil: Tyrion Lannister, the Bad Hand of Joffrey the Lannister Bastard, who professes loyalty but is a venal, corrupt, and perfidious Hand of the King, acting in his own self-interest but feigning it’s for someone else’s when and/or until it backfires, and then swears revenge for their mistreatment of him, though he was traitor to them from the start (vs. Good Hand Jorah Mormont, who becomes a loyal sworn sword after change of heart, advising to best of his ability until dismissed or dead) 02. Aegon VI “Blackfyre’s” Dragon: Rhaegal – Mirri Mas Duur + Rhaegar + Aegon VI (the Godswife! of the Lamb Men; she is not merely “maegi” but “godswife” of her temple; Rhaegar is the king in the narrative and it’s his line of descent every “rightful” Targaryen pretender seeks to—or would—restore, not Aerys II; Aegon VI was also the sacrifice necessary to wake Aegon VII/Aegon “Blackfyre’s” dragon. NOTE ON MMD: whilst fAegon’s mother, Serra, was like to have died in childbed with him, a requisite of the promised prince’s prophesy, that they are born with the dead, please note, 1. Serra was no queen or god’s bride, so her sacrifice as mother mightn’t be deemed sufficient for the ritual, Illyrio Mopatis was merely cousin-by-marriage to the Prince of Pentos and disowned for marrying her, and 2. Elia most certainly did not die in childbed to birth Aegon, who’s head was dashed upon the wall to slay the second king of the sequence, but she did in “bloody bed” with him figuratively; therefore, MMD, a proper god’s wife, becomes the surrogate mother of the ritual sequence.) a. Sacrifices (less corrupt but failed rendition, the second attempt to restore the original cycle; twice blessed, once cursed—sacrifices are made FOR him rather than OF him, but the attempt to restore him to the throne/deity fails anyway (this is brother slaying brother, the quarrelsome brothers rendition, Bastard Tyrant (Dany) USURPED BY Wizarding Quagmire (fAegon) USURPED BY Lying Whore (Rhaegar, Lyanna = Jon Snow, Aemon Targaryen, the once and future king of earth): i. Fathers: Rhaegar for Elia and Aegon VI; Illyrio Mopatis of Blackfyre Descent for fAegon VI; JonCon for fAegon/Aegon; and TYRION LANNISTER ironically may become party to this, on the Sorrows, though he is part of the “young, dark (gold rather than silver) and false” corrupt dragon cycle (Tyrion – Dany – Jorah Mormont, the bear and the maiden fair becomes mother of dragons cycle [the Maiden becomes the Mother of Dragons (Father Absconds + Rapes + Usurps Maiden, Dynasty’s Start; Or: Drogo + Dany’s true story (mother earth dies come winter, sacrificing herself to give birth to son, spring and all it’s promise of new life—the great green dragon; the green men cycle of earth and sun and moons, the rightful turning of the seasons) vs. Jaime + Cersei’s false rendition (moon maiden is murdered by brother-husband sun god and brings about winter, reviving her son’s dead cold corpse, no promise of spring;)]; Cersei – fAegon -JonCon, the younger and more beautiful king, the Maidenvault and the Mother’s Tears cycle [the Mother becomes the Childless Crone + and Father becomes the Kingslaying Kinslayer (father slays son slays father; the green men cycle corrupted by fire and ice wights, intent on deaths of all men); or Rhaegar + Sister-Brides (MAIDEN, MOTHER, CRONE) + Promised Prince’s true story (the sun dies come winter, sacrificing himself so his son, the earth, can be reborn, the dream of spring) vs. Cersei, Robert + Clever Lann’s THREE USURPATIONS (Targ; Baratheon; Lannister) false story (the earth giant slays the sun and usurps his rightful place as king of winter/god-on-earth; Robert-Rhaegar; Cersei-Robert, fAegon-Cersei)]; Jaime – Jon Snow – Lady Stoneheart, the prince that was promised (Lyanna Stark) and his tower of joy cycle [The Dragon Wakes from Stone Cold Black Corpse and Mounts the World]; or, The Promised Prince’s true story ((Son and Sun reborn thanks to Mother and Father’s righteous sacrifice of themselves for his (new) life—two kings two wake the dragon: man and woman and the stallion that mounts the world) vs. Kingslayer Kinslayer Night false story, in which the Father Warrior Smith USURPS THE GOD-IN/IS-EARTH (Mother + Son / Nyssa Nyssa + Promised Prince, the two kings that woke the stone dragon (earth—Ygg Ygg; sun – valonqar (baby brother, bad hand); and moon (promised prince), the three components and one (other moon) that composes, you guessed it, the three-headed (stone) dragon)).) ii. Mothers: Elia for Aegon, Serra for fAegon (I believe the “name” Elia cried before her death was LORD TYWIN, who was in the room, who she begged for her son’s life, relieved to see him instead of merely his monstrous dog, wrongly fancying, he would not see harm befall her children and her) iii. Godswives: MMD for fAegon’s MOUNT (Rhaegal) iv. False Dragon Foil: Cersei Lannister, the Bad Hand of Robert Baratheon who sacrificed her king to attain the power she coveted for herself and her heirs (vs. Good Hand Jon Connington, who tries to restore a dragon to “rightful” throne after his dispossession of it, sacrificing his life, his health, and his reputation, to do so, what mean (second) most to him in the world) 03. Jon Snow’s /Aemon Targaryen’s/Aegon VII (because fAegon is Aegon VI reborn) Dragon: Viserion – Lyanna Stark (Queen of Love and Beauty, Rhaegar’s second wife + Viserys (golden crown) + Jon Snow himself (the Three-Eyed Crow) [NOTE: all the dragons/promised princes play a sacrificial role in their own awakening of the stone dragon—because that is precisely what the ritual is: second life (in skinchanged beast) + only death pays for life (first death buys a second life!) + king’s blood to wake the dragon, first the (parent) and then the child, so both die (regnant). Dany, obviously plays the queen and mother of the prophecy sequence, Nissa Nissa = Good Queen Anne (Nysanne/Atyanne/Amyanne/Alysanne) = Egg Egg / Ygg Ygg / Yss Yss / Nys Nys (Nice Egg = Good Queen Anne = God IN/IS Earth; who is ALSO Tyanna/Myanna/Lyanna (Tyrannical Anne, Miring Anne, Lying Anne), in the bad rendition, the dead mother giving birth and nursing her infant child on the poison of her curdled mother’s milk, after her murder and usurpation by her (brother)-husband (AAR = Valonqar = (Ty/My/Ly- ono mar = Bad Egg = Bad Hand = the Three Quarrelsome BROTHERS of the Good Queen Anne, the bastard tyrant (sworn sword), the wizarding quagmire (eunuch/advisor), and the lying whore (father of dragons), who eventually are shuffled about in legend and feminized – either via pure misogyny of a patriarchal culture (e.g. ANDALS) bastardizing and corrupting the true faith, as the gods themselves were bastardized and corrupted TRIOS of the Three Heads/the dragon (with) three heads, or due mistranslation, loss of original sources, ignorance, passage of time, etc.); Aegon and Jon Snow are playing the role of the promised prince, born with the dead, one who suckled rancid mother’s milk (fAegon) and one who did not (Jon), to become the promised prince (the revenant prince of the godhead sequence, who murders his father after his mother (Nys Nys --> The Great Other, Ygg Ygg/Yss Yss, ICE EGG/ICE DRAGON, whose name must not be spoken) raising him as a wight (fire wight = fAegon + ice wight = Jon --> the ice dragon) and using him as “a puppet on a string” to murder his father (AAR), after which he “breaks” that connection, revolts against his monstrous mother (whose last kiss—of “lightning”—revived his corpse), and kills her a second time, completing the murderous godhead cycle, corruption of the “true” and “willing” sacrificial cycle that was its original rendition as TRIOS… father sacrifices himself to save mother and child (Rhaegar—Lyanna + Jon; Elia + Aegon; Rhaella + Viserys, all also party to that godhead cycle and to the dragon waking cycle) but fails, so that mother then sacrifices herself to save their child (dies in childbed after the fact) and child ascends throne, continues dynasty to BECOME the father sacrificing for mother and son or mother sacrificing for son! Instead, the gods, corrupted (perhaps by the men once worshiping them, trying to become gods-ON-earth, invading the weirnet, rather than gods IN/WHO ARE earth (mother) + sun (father) + and moons (babies, twin brother and sister/brothers/sisters).) now engaging in sacrifice of OTHERS rather than of SELF, poisoning the cycle further. a. Sacrifices (most pure rendition, the final and only successful attempt to restore the gods to their rightful cycle of the seasons—the isle of the thrice blessed; sacrifices are made FOR him rather than OF him, they’re all done properly, teaching him how to make sacrifices OF HIMSELF for others, and they succeed in the ultimate goal because of those three glad sacrifices, Father for Mother + Son (Rhaegar at Trident, dies professing love, thinking of pregnant wife), Mother for Son (Tower of Joy, Lyanna dies begging promises for Aemon), and Son Himself (Ghost/Viserion/Jon Snow (3rd Mounting of Stallion, 3EC, murdered by forsworn men trying to keep an oath (fight the Others, NW) but escapes death unscathed after ritual rebirth beneath the showering stars, although having been tempted to break oaths in past—in comparison to Jaime, forsworn man, slain by Stoneheart + Brienne for breaking his oaths to Cat/Tully/Robb’s heir, Jon Snow despite succeeding the first time he broke his oath, Aerys II, to escape unscathed and unpunished by Ned + Cat’s own hands, but cut down by hand of someone forsworn to him, the Kingsguard Slayer, Brienne, who he bonded with over one time he (half-)tried to keep an oath, Sansa + Arya) + Rhaegal for fAegon (2nd mounting, dies at the Sorrows but is rescued of the water beneath a (pseudo) star shower, dies at the God’s Eye in the Second Dance of the Dragons, where he drowns upon falling from Rhaegal after stabbed thru eye by Jon on Viserion, by Jon + Stannis’s army marching south to Trident, the hammer and the anvil tactic, sending Dany’s Dothraki breaking and fleeing to Dragonstone, where she orchestrates a second funeral pyre attempt, this time failing—in comparison to Cersei, who twice escapes black cell but dies in Maidenvault, Weeping and Wailing after deaths of her three bastard children, by JonCon for Aegon + Rhaenys + fAegon, three “bastard” children—i.e., none succeed Rhaegar successfully, two b/c he set his first wife aside for a second and they were murdered by the Lannister/Baratheon usurpers, one an actual (unwitting) bastard) + Drogon for Dany (1st Mounting, dies in tent, birthing dragon, but surviving her funeral pyre; dies on Dragonstone, burning Dothraki and self—in comparison to Tyrion, beats trial by combat twice for Jon Arryn and for Joffrey’s murders, dies in third trial by Jorah, Dany’s Hand, for Dany’s funeral pyre… strangled to death like Brandon Stark) for Jon Snow—the Winterfell Crypts Dream and the Three-Eyed Crow/Stone Dragon Awakens again): i. Father: Rhaegar for Lyanna Stark (pregnant w Jon Snow), (Trident) ii. Mother: Lyanna Stark for Jon Snow /Aemon Targaryen (Tower of Joy) iii. Mount: VISERYS TARGARYEN for Viserion (Golden Crown) iv. False Dragon Foil: Jaime Lannister, the Bad Hand of Cersei Lannister, who refuses his queen’s requests for help to maintain the Iron Throne for petty reasons and who usurped two kings he’d forsworn himself to, to seat his own bastards in their proper places for petty reasons – his father, Tywin for Aerys II (the city was already saved from wildfire and then already lost; there was no good reason to kill Aerys II but that Aerys demanded he bring him Tywin’s head if he were loyal, despite only wanting his oath of service for petty reasons), his sister, Cersei, for Robert Baratheon (vs. Lady Stoneheart, who supports and obeys her son, the king’s, last command concerning his rightful succession despite having dreaded precisely the outcome of seeing Jon Snow ascend to post or place in Robb’s stead, though she’d broken his commands afore, to great detriment to his cause) We see that the attempts to wake the stone dragon purify as they go along, from the most corrupted version to the least corrupted version. This is because these protagonists of the saga are restoring order and balance. Their failures are contributing to the purification process, until, at last, the gods wash clean of their own filth and become good eggs again by slaying the rot within them-- Dany: Tyrion Lannister via Jorah Mormont, struggling to free herself of her "bastard tyrant" conqueror urges to become a rightful and beloved queen; fAegon: Cersei Lannister via Jon Connington, purifying himself of his vanity and venality, grasping after power that is not rightfully his own and indulging the whispers of those yes-men advisors, fawners and fools, whose word uplifts him upon a lie (boy playing at being a king, until the facade cannot be maintained any longer, with great and grave consequence for all beneath him), and Jon Snow: Jaime Lannister via Lady Stoneheart, the false sworn sword, eager to betray his holiest oaths and install himself in place of those he was meant to serve instead. There are multiple souls in the dragon eggs and the dragons, both. There may well be ancestors in the eggs that hatch and those that never did. For example, Viserys went into Viserion’s egg, long before there was any hope to hatch it. Why couldn’t any other dragonseed or dragonrider do so, too, upon death, seeking rightful second life. Skinchangers have second lives in something other than the weirnet before moving onward to the collective god. Drogo would’ve been trapped in his horse, which is why it must be sacrificed at the funeral pyre in order to send him off to his rightful afterlife, in the night lands (the weirnet) amongst all his ancestors. All the cultures and faiths are variations of this one very real phenomenon. That’s why we see a scene of Rhaego’s quickening, too, where he reaches out to Rhaegal’s egg, “brother to brother, blood to blood”—who’s in it? Aegon VI, Rhaegar’s son, his cousin. Who else will mount it eventually? fAegon VI, his distant cousin, the changeling son of Rhaegar and Elia (Illyrio and Serra). One of these personalities will dominate the other (like Bran feels many other dreamers living in the ravens at the weirwood cave; the same happens with dragons and other skins). The Targs were once capable to hatch dragons by precisely this mechanism—skinchanger greeting skinchanger (remember, the skinchangers know one another on sight!). That skinchanging sense in the mechanism ] helped them slip their bodies into the eggs, but eggs don’t hatch if there’s no ready-made sacrifice inside them for them to have “a life of their own” to be mounted. Skinchanging an empty egg is the problem that Dany solves in the Dothraki Sea (during her death, she greets her ancestors, and learns of the mechanism by which an empty egg—i.e., bloodstone fallen from the moon strike—is accorded its very first soul, to create a dragon bloodline). These are two very different processes and ought not to be deemed as one. One is the blood price paid for dragons. The other is the milk brother bond (nursing the same mother’s milk in the cradle, the skinchanging descendants of special bloodlines can forge a mounter’s bond). These two rituals go hand-in-hand, but need not be performed together each generation; the milk brother bond suffices the bloodline until… oopsie poopsie, descendants accidentally breed their bloodline to death (hence the Targ/Valyrian insistence upon incest; they know this line of descent has a likelier chance of passing on that milk-brother capacity to their young; they gamble by breeding outsiders, and the bond may be lost). However, it is most important to know: one does not appear to require the grace of that original bloodline restored; it seems sufficient to breed the trait (skinchanging) back into the bloodline (even by accident) by marrying into another family that is of skinchanger descent, yet in its active phase or (unwittingly) by marrying into another family of skinchanger descent in its passive phase, though if done poorly or too late, it may negatively impact the quality of the dragons and the bonds. That is the Post-Dance Difference I see many posters discuss above. The skinchanging gene was lost to the Iron Throne Targaryens in the Dance of Dragons. Two (or three) things were required to restore it: 1. Breeding with First Men or Other Skinchanging Civilizations families, to regain that trait, 2. Lots of incest, brother-to-sister followed, to speed up its recombination in the Targ line, though this appears wholly optional to me, so long as they kept breeding those skinchangers’ lines, and 3. Once they’ve regained the trait, they must perform the blood price ritual to buy their second line of dragon descent, having lost returns of the first investment (where Dany comes in, to perform the blood price ritual and then the funeral pyre hatching ritual—Targ words should properly be reordered, Blood First and then Fire is what buys dragons; you cannot perform the rituals in the wrong order!—and, ironically, to accidentally stumble across the other mechanism by which dragons will be hatched thereafter: the milk brother bond, in Rhaego’s quickening scene.). Dany does not remember the whole of her dream, greeting ancestors, so she has lost all knowledge imparted by that precious encounter. It was a sense she had, she must do certain things. She cannot tell herself why anymore, though, and therefore she cannot tell the reader precisely why, either. She is an unreliable narrator. She does not comprehend the whole of the process, the way she fancies she does. She does not even comprehend who and what she (or others) sacrificed and when and why it matters. How to Hatch Your Dragon: 01. BLOOD AND BLOOD PRICE: Show Me What I Bought With My Son’s Life. Sacrifice blood relations (your own line of descent, your children) to the dragon eggs. Dragon eggs seem to be born empty, cold, and soulless (because they are descendants of lifeless Bloodstone moon rocks the ancient civilization worshiped after their fall, what were given life by magical ritual!—e.g., like Maegor the Cruel?), and so they will not hatch without fair trade. Only death pays for life. If they were to hatch, empty, I very much believe DROGO, CATATONIC would be the result. Soulless, as to be lifeless, worth nothing in the long run. So, this ritual must come first, the skinchangers realized long ago. This may also be the result of trying to sacrifice someone else’s bloodline descent instead of your own. Other kinds of backfires (e.g., Summerhall) may be the result too. 02. FIRE: UNHORSED AND USURPED—If Only Death Pays for Life, With What Must I Buy A Horse? Once you’ve given your dragon egg a soul, hatch your mount with another sacrifice of: MAN DETHRONED AND BECOME MERE BEAST OF BURDEN. (E.g., Drogo became the beast of burden “horse” sacrificed in the pyre in exchange for Dany’s mount, Drogon… Dany literally dismounts Drogo, USURPING him, seizing herself a “silver” throne and silver crown (of bells): she is the reason he’s mortally wounded, she chooses his maegi although he prefers mud, (which would kill him anyway), she pulls him down from his horse to make camp although he insists he must ride “his throne” and then she sacrifices his horse in the tent, so he cannot enjoy a second mount; Viserys’s horse, seized of him on Dany’s orders in the grasses, when he becomes CART KING, USURPED, and is forced to walk or ride the carts… and she only belatedly and partially realizes her mistake, failing to rectify it, and when he demands fair payment owed for the sister-bride he sacrificed to Drogo (Dany, a pale imitation of this ritual), his golden crown or Dany’s eggs to buy his own army and steed, she has him killed in exchange for Rhaego—rightly—so he, too, cannot enjoy his rightful mount, but becomes someone else’s: Jon Snow’s; Rhaegar was also unhorsed by a USURPER at the Trident, and denied his rightful throne and second life, becoming Rhaegal for fAegon to mount in his and his trueborn son’s, Aegon VI, rightful place.) They are being denied their rightful mounts and rightful lives, so that someone else can enjoy to usurp them and subject them. 03. FIRE IN THE BLOOD: Mother’s Milk, Milk Brothers, Blood Brothers, and Broken Bonds. Once you have created this line of descent, only milk brothers get to ride, to enjoy it. You’ve sacrificed your child and his rightful line. Therefore, blood brothers are dragon mounts, the lesser brotherhood. Dragonseeds on the other hand, are regarded as true brothers—milk brothers. Only they are welcome to mount the beast of burden (the children you sacrificed to dragons). Then, they too become the beast of burden, made blood brothers (within the dragon) as a new milk brother ascends and ascends his throne. If blood is thicker than water, then milk is richer than blood. Nursing together is more important than sharing sires or mothers. It builds truer bonds. (e.g., Rhaegar and Viserys versus Ned and Robert; blood brothers on the one hand, milk brothers—if not literally so, but both nursed in their infancy by Jon Arryn, a moonmaid symbol—on the other. The milk brothers won the throne and the blood brothers were usurped, become mounts for greater men to ride.) 04. REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE: Incest, Great Houses, and Smallfolk. Once you’ve succeeded to build this bloodline milk brotherhood, you must do everything in your power and sacrifice everything in your power (including your own children, e.g., to incest’s many downsides) in order to perpetuate it indefinitely. You may inbreed. You may out-breed only with certain other Great Houses, sharing your Skinchanging traits. NEVER BREED SMALLFOLK, THE NON-MAGICAL BLOODLINES. Even nobility are merely smallfolk, if they are not “one of us,” so those who dare mix with them, risking to break the line, must be sacrificed or disinherited. Failing to do so, you risk to break your priceless milk brotherhood in exchange for mere blood bonds, utterly inferior and worthless. If you have broken your bloodline, return to step one: sacrifice your children, so dragons may become your children and your children may become dragons.
  7. The astrolabe is a review of the history, as always. In the first seven seasons, it was a review of the backstory (for those who mightn't have read the books) leading up to the show. In the final season, it's a recap of the War for the Iron Throne--now that they're fighting the War for the Dawn (at least alongside it). History in the making, kiddies!
  8. That's not a White Walker. That's the Flayed Man holding up a severed direwolf head in one hand and a dagger in the other.
  9. That's a fricking hanging direwolf pierced with arrows/crossbow bolts! And a lion with a fish in its mouth! NOTE: Hanging from The Twin Towers. The RED WEDDING. (And foreshadowing?)* *Book verse: definitely foreshadowing! The three-eyed crow's feast of the dead. Show verse: ???
  10. Well... IDK off the top of my head, but... I talk a bit about the Winter Sun (The Winter Sun is Azor Ahai) in my essay series (warning: most people find it too long, apologies).
  11. Oh. Meant to add that it's also a depiction of the tree upon which the Children of the Forest made the first White Walker (show verse*). Symbol was there too. (Also they made the same symbol at the Fist of the First Men. Remember Jon, Mance, Tormund, Orrell, and Ygritte's scene in Season 03?) *Book verse, we must ask ourselves why they're called both "Children of the Forest" (children have parents; the Mother is in the Wood) and "those who sing the song of earth and stone" (the Mother in the Wood is also the earth and stone--the earth deity--whose song they "sing" being, of course, also "the song of ice and fire"). $0.02. Edit: Just watched the scene again and, although it isn't a perfect parallel of Azor Ahai slaying Nissa Nissa and the cycle of Trios the Three-Headed Dragon/Three-Eyed Crow/Sphinx triune deity (the sun slaying the moon, but also the sun slaying the earth, since she's both), you even see Azor Ahai/Last Hero figure Beric Dondarrion slay the Umber child wight with his flaming sword--the red comet). So, reiterating again the Winter Sun/Azor Ahai doing his icky villainous thing. However, as J. Stargaryen mentions, the Winter Sun is also a symbol of death (the seasons of the sun corresponding to the other aspects of the deity -- Spring/birth, Summer/growth, Autumn/decay/aging, Winter/death) and the sun/son play on words, you're brought back to Azor Ahai's/the Father's slaying of his own son (who is the sun's son) and solar figure himself, the Green Giant (the earth--earth being mother followed by son; queen followed by prince; that is: king's blood to wake the stone dragon, the (mother) first and then the son, so both die kings(regents), etc.) and thereby we do indeed see that double symbol of winter sun accounts for both the murderer and his victim (the father first and then the son, so both die kings--which is sort of fudged in that the father kills his son but then the mother--the ghost weeping tears of blood crying out from the grave for a son to avenge her--resurrects him to kill the father, the reverse of the situation with the stone dragon being "born with the dead" like the other Mother/Son symbol, the direwolf pups, are.). And that brings us to Last Hearth and their sigil (giant breaking free of his chains: the green giant, the stone dragon, the prince that was promised, breaking free of his mother's chains--as he's "a puppet dancing on a string," the wight carrying out her bidding, turning against her to slay her--Winter--as well, becoming THE LAST HERO). A hearth is a place where we burn wood to keep warm, of course, so the sun's son takes upon his fiery persona of the deity (becoming, in effect, a burning tree himself as well as a burning sword) to burn the trees (white and black both, symbols of the mother), slay his own mother, and bring back the sun--spring--dawn. As Tywin likes to say of one of our six dragon children, Tyrion: you, who killed your mother to come into the world! There's so much reiteration of symbols, I could go on forever, but that would be cruel, so I won't. Lol.
  12. Looked to me like The Winter Sun (a huge part of ASoIaF mythos); note the prior(?) scene of the arrival of Alys Karstark and the emphasis upon her ancestral device (the white winter sun, "better than an onion" is in fact a similar depiction to Davos's device of the black ship--the void of space--carrying the white onion on its banner. It's The Red Comet come again.) My guess.
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