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  1. False Aegon

    So who would you bend the knee to?

    A Storm of Swords has done nothing to change my great fondness for Danaerys Stormborn. And if I were a humble hedge knight, well, what would I have to lose in crossing the sea and chasing the rumors until I could join her force? She has more right and at least as much ability to rule as any of them. The wars between the kings are a death trap anyway; surely a quest east wouldn't be any more dangerous than staying put. If crossing the sea isn't an option, I was sympathetic to the Starks' cause. The North makes sense as a separate kingdom and the family seemed to have proven character and ability. Once staying with the Starks seemed no longer feasible, the Brotherhood Without Banners would be tempting. They may follow a creepy new god, but they fight for freedom and peace and they seem to get results. It appears more and more that the Lannisters would be capable rulers of the kingdom. But the main disadvantage of Joffrey is that he is Joffrey. Stannis certainly had the birthright, but after his split with Renley would seem to have no chance. The only power he would seem to have left would be his sorcery, and so far that has not gained him any lasting victories. Following the Iron King would be a good idea if I believed that I could grab some plunder and make my escape.
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    Hey everyone. I started reading the first book a good year ago and took a long break after A Clash of Kings, which was about when I first posted. I've picked up the books again; there are two others at work who are more or less reading with me. I'll be poking around the forums here when the break-time discussions aren't quite enough.
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    Not understanding Reek's speech

    Thanks for the recap, Sweetsunray, I had missed the bit about the fingers in my re-read. Sick sonofabitch.
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    Not understanding Reek's speech

    Thanks to everyone for the help. I'm less embarrassed than I was. The relevant parts of the 3 Bran chapters are incredibly short, cursory accounts of the Bolton Bastard, so it's not a huge surprise that I glossed over them as unimportant side stories. Did this happen to anyone else? It's not as though the Bastard has been a major character, or even a large lurking Stannis-like presence, up to this point, so I'm not sure how the reveal can ever be all that dramatic... Maybe if I had been keeping up in the appendices. And the way it's written, I assumed that "the wretch" in my original post was Ser Rodrik, because this speech comes right after he describes how he cut Rodrik's arm off.
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    Not understanding Reek's speech

    I probably should have availed myself more of the appendix. Another result of being whipped along so fast by the suspense of the thing. I suppose this is why second reads are so popular.
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    Not understanding Reek's speech

    Sigil of the Flayed Man? OK, I suppose I recall a connection there; just didn't retain the details of the family because it was all related so quickly and second-hand. I'll re-read Bran 4. Still frustrated that what was clearly supposed to be a dramatic reveal went totally over my head.
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    Not understanding Reek's speech

    This is why I'm normally such a slow reader. I plowed through this book from the excitement of it all. Bolton must just be one family too many to keep straight in my head at that pace, because I have no memory of any such family. It makes me wonder what else I must have missed ... do I need to read this whole damn book again, because that is seriously frustrating. Sigh. Thanks for the help. I think I'll have to take a break from all this for a while.
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    Not understanding Reek's speech

    I'm not sure what's wrong with my reading comprehension skills, but I've read this a dozen times and can't figure out who and what Reek is talking about at the end of the last Theon chapter: The man laughed. "The wretch is dead." He stepped closer. "The girl's fault." (What girl?) "If she had not run so far, his horse would not have lamed," (Whose horse?) "and we might have been able to flee." (From what?) "I gave him mine when I saw the riders from the ridge." (What riders? What ridge?) "I was done with her by then. and he liked to take his turn while they were still warm. I had to pull him off her and shove my clothes into his hands - calf-skin boots and velvet doublet, silver-chased swordbelt, even my sable cloak. Ride for the Dreadfort, I told him, bring all the help you can. Take my horse, he's swifter, and here, wear the ring my father gave me, so they'll know you came from me. He'd learned better than to question me. By the time they" (Who?) "put that arrow through his back, I'd smeared myself with the girl's filth and dressed in his rags. They might have hanged me anyway, but it was the only chance I saw." What context am I missing? What chapter should I re-read to figure out what the hell all of Reek's pronouns mean?"
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    How have you started reading the aSoIaF books?

    I've been hearing about the show endlessly for years, but when I saw the size of the books I assumed it was one of those things I'd just never get to. I had so much else to read, and I almost never watch TV. And anyway, my sense of the series was that it was mostly a lot of pointless shock value and not worth my time. The way I started reading sounds almost dramatic. Last May I was visiting my best friend from college for his father's funeral. It's a weird sort of time to spend a weekend together, so when we were idly talking about the books on his shelf and he insisted that I take A Game of Thrones home with me, I complied. It happened that I was taking more classes that summer, actually way too many classes. When my friend asked at the end of the summer if I had finished the book, I had to sheepishly say that I hadn't started it. I only started reading when he mentioned that he would be visiting my area in October, so I felt I had to read the thing so that I could return it. I wasn't into it at all. I was mildly interested by some of the themes of decay and degradation in the setting, but beyond that it did seem to be a lot of shock value: a series of pointless rapes interspersed with weirdly specific recipes for stew. So when my friend did visit, I had to tell him I wasn't done with the book. In fact, the thing had spent so much time bouncing around the back seat of my car that it was pretty beat up, so I just bought him a new copy. After that I mostly stopped reading, maybe a page here and there. It was only about three weeks ago something clicked. I think it was Maester Luwin's long lesson to Bran about the history of Westeros. Suddenly the world wasn't a mildly interesting deconstruction of fantasy cliches, it was a living, breathing thing with an incredibly intricate history. The stormy politics weren't an excuse to show violent scenes, they were based on a backstory that went back centuries and more. And that helped me connect to the characters better, which was pretty important for me at that point. My two favorites, Robert and Ned, were out of the picture, but Daenerys and Arya were rising quickly and turning into people even more awesome to read about.I have hardly been able to put the books down since. So I wish the history had been placed earlier, maybe at the beginning like Tolkien did. I would have enjoyed the first book a lot more and better appreciated this really monumental piece of worldbuilding.
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    Who has the most right to the Iron Throne

    I'm fiercely pro-Dany, on a personal level I just love her, so I'll start by saying that her claim to birthright is the best here. She is the Last Targaryen, the family that united the continent and which produced, the Madness of the last one notwithstanding, a lot of good kings by all accounts. If we accept the Baratheons' Right of Conquest, it's Stannis by a lot. But really the breakup of at least some of the Seven Kingdoms might be best. The North and Dorne are certainly better off on their own, and a king is probably better off who doesn't have to worry about trying to rule over them. The Iron Islands are also a nice natural kingdom, but I doubt the mainlanders would be better off with them independent. The middle part of Westeros would probably not ever be stable as separate kingdoms. Arryn could separate nicely, its isolationism is embedded in all its buildings, but the others would probably just be in constant fruitless battle over the lands in the middle. Best case scenario is a Middle Westeros under Stannis (maybe overthrown by a triumphantly returning Daenerys, if the gods be good), with some of the peripheral kingdoms splitting off on their own so the middle part can be more stable. Let Pyke be the seat of a kingdom, but do what you can to keep the reaving within the bounds of reason.
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    Renly Gay?

    This honestly really surprised me. If there were hints, I picked up on absolutely none of them. I suppose that I wasn't paying attention to the Knight of Flowers in those scenes; with so many knights running around, he seemed more like a background character and I didn't even really commit his name to memory, so things like who stayed to pray with Renly went over my head. Was Renly's wife realy still a maid? As I recall it was definitely said that she was when she married Renly, but not that she still was now that they were married. And how would anyone know that, anyway? [EDIT: I hadn't read that part of the story yet. ] Actually, is there a list of the "hints" by chapter that I could see? Because now I'm interested. And it's making me wonder what other important things I missed in my rush to learn how the political struggles would turn out.