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  1. Add to this that Daenerys has dragons, the Targaryen sigil and their source of power, whereas "Aegon" is ... still waiting on those elephants. But either way, I agree with Curled Finger that the smallfolk would probably leap at getting a Targaryen back on the throne. The Baratheon/Lannister regime has been a disaster. Which means Stannis will have a tough time of it.
  2. I got this impression, too. After all, weren't ALL the tavern wenches and 'hos "in love" with Robert? At least, as far as he could tell. Not for Robert to consider that maybe it was his status as a Great Lord and then also a Great Warrior in The Rebellion and later a Great King that the ladies were attracted to. And why shouldn't they still be attracted to him, after he'd gained 100 pounds of fat, was constantly drunk and pulled into his bed anything that wore skirts? Women couldn't possibly care about such things! All the women and ladies loved Robert! So Lyanna did, too. Amirite? Of course, Lyanna Stark was to be a Great Lady, the Lady of Winterfell, since she was the eldest and only daughter of Lord Stark. She was on a level with the Lord of Storm's End, not someone hoping to cling to him to improve her status. But this may have been too difficult a calculation for Robert Baratheon. And after her elopement/abduction, Robert had him a Grievance that he had to nurse. In a twisted sense, it made him happy.
  3. Heh, heh, heh. You might be nearly as old as me... That said, I'd heard about George RR's series for years, and marvelled at the suddenly vastly increased attendance at the local sf con by - imagine it! - young people. I'd been watching the "usual suspects" continue to get greyer and (ahem) more weighty over the years, not to mention turning up in the "In Memorium" section of the progrem. But now, one could no longer get into George's readings unless one waited in line for hours. And their fantastic costumes! (Which, believe me, look better on the young and fit...) The teevie show had gotten underway and had obviously created lots of new fans. Clearly, something was going on. Finally, one day, while searching for a lightweight paperback book to give to a friend who was traveling to Iceland (Journey to the Centre of the Earth, of course), I picked up a used copy of Game of Thrones for myself, even though I'm not a fan of fantasy. And could not put it down.
  4. Exactly. Sansa could have done like Cersei, and wear her bruises as "badges of honor", but instead, she concealed them with makeup and overly concealing clothing. Had Sansa quietly made it clear what "King" Joffrey was doing to her, she'd have had some friends in court and among the servants - and Joffrey would have had fewer. By being "the good girl", she saved herself zero beatings, as far as we can tell, and gained much additional humiliation. Sure, Arya in contrast was fully capable of keeping quiet and following orders, but she remained rebellious, keeping in touch with her friends, learning the names and habits of others, practicing her water dancing whenever she could. This despite performing exhausting physical labor all day. In spite of this, Arya was always waiting for means and opportunities to escape. Let's add that, even though Arya knew she would do better on her own because of her skills in riding, woodsmanship, and swordplay, she made a point of bringing along both of her surviving "brothers." Like Dr. Manhattan, Sansa could have done so much more.
  5. I don't see how Bran will end up as a sword-slinging foot soldier. Not with the training he's getting from the 3eyed Crow. Bran's capabilities and developing powers will be used in more powerful and subtle ways, such as gathering intelligence from the present and past, influencing birds and animals, and as we've seen with Theon, communicating with key people at pivotal moments. Putting Bran into the fray, even as Hodor, would foolishly risk Hodor's life while wasting Bran's potential. Also, willfully preempting Hodor's autonomy and identity is a great wrong. Sadly, Bran is doing it more and more, in spite of knowing how much it terrifies and hurts Hodor. But Bran's "active role" won't be as a sword waving grunt. Bloodraven won't be teaching him advanced swordsmanship; like I said, he's got a different curriculum.
  6. Not to change the subject, but this was Albus Dumbledore's point to Harry Potter. There were thousands of various prophesies, largely unheard. But when a character hears a prophesy and takes it for a valid prediction, and works to either make it true or prevent it from happening, then the words start to have major significance on events ... and the results are typically bad. Cersei is one example. Tom Riddle is another. Macbeth's wife, and by extension, Macbeth are classic examples. I think Rheagar will be another, as we learn his story in the fullness of time. A few of the Ice & Fire characters seem able to hear prophesies and not feel compelled to act on them. Arya, for one. She's hard headed and firmly grounded in the world. Daenerys, I think, also. She does brood over the words from the House of the Undying, of Qaith's many messages - but she doesn't take actions on this basis. This doesn't address who the younger and more beautiful queen will be, I know. It's a digression.
  7. (duh!) Thanks. I should have known that.
  8. If so, I don't see how the valonquar's "hands on her white throat" is going to work out.
  9. I'm pretty sure that Sansa has not yet heard about "Arya's" marriage. The Vale seems pretty secluded and insular, and Baelish probably has advised the maesters to do nothing to enlighten his "daughter" when news comes in from the outside world. Sansa might well get much of her news through Myranda Royce, who may not (or may) think that the doings in far-off "Winterfell" are of any interest to her new bastard friend. Those Northerners are such savages, don't ya know. In addition to seeing "Alayne's" reactions to learning "Arya" is now the Lady of Winterfell, I'm hoping she will also learn about how the Hound has gone outlaw and his many atrocities at Saltpans (etc.) What will she think about that? (Meanwhile, the actual identity of "the Hound" keeps changing ... latest we've seen, it's Lem.)
  10. Yes, I think the apparent similarities are actually reversed by the age difference. Marguery is a few years older than Sansa, sophisticated, well dressed, well trained, from a significant House. Arya is just her little kid sister. Remember how "flexible" Sansa is. On the trek from Winterfell to King's Landing, when Arya asked Sansa if she'd like to go for a ride, it was NO! I hate riding and those smelly horses! A few minutes later, when Joffrey proposed a horseback ride, O! I'd love to! I LOVE riding! (Quotes are very approximate and from memory.) Me, too. I'm sure there are sisters who dearly and overtly love and support one another. But the "mean girl" older sister is also a thing. Thanks to the author's point of view perspectives, we get to see both sides. Also, Ned's point of view, where he doesn't understand it at all.
  11. All good points. I'd add possible guilt. In the earlier pages, we often see Sansa thinking snarky remarks about her "most unsatisfactory" younger sister. Finally, when she's in the Eyrie and unconsciously reconstructing Winterfell, a memory of playing in the snow with Arya - and enjoying it - comes to her. I credit the snow with triggering the memory, and the fact that Sansa has come down several pegs from back when she was a nascent Queen of the 7 Kingdoms, to a mere bastard by-blow of a lord so minor, he's basically a commoner. (Nobody takes that "Lord of Harrenhal" or "Protector of the Vale" stuff seriously; this is Littlefinger.) Sansa hasn't really experienced the smallfolk lifestyle yet, and likely never will. But she's definitely not the Belle of the Ball anymore, and this could help her development into a more empathetic person. Which would be helpful in the role she's being trained for, scheming manipulator - and one hopes, higher aspirations as well.
  12. Good points. Also, Sansa has a, shall we say, well bred tendency to kiss up and kick down? Throughout her chapters, she rarely gives her servants names; they're just described by their functions on her behalf. Yet she knows all about and all the latest gossip for the nobility and the court. Sansa isn't actually very self-aware (in my opinion, which goes without saying!). She seems to see herself through the eyes of others and accept their judgments of her without question. When Joffrey turns on her and calls her stupid, well, then Sansa agonizes over how stupid she is. Ditto for Cersei. Later, when Littlefinger, clearly buttering her up so as to manipulate her, calls her shrewd and smart, then suddenly she thinks she's smart! It's interesting how little Sansa thinks of Arya, given how much time Sansa has on her hands, and how she's free of responsibilities to work, to provide food for herself, for clothing, shelter, and figuring out where to go next. We (some of us, at least) can forgive Arya for not thinking often of Sansa, since she's been struggling just to survive and help her pack to do so; also, Arya may assume that if Sansa is still in King's Landing, she's being taken care of. I'm thinking that neither of these Sansa characteristics: snobbishness, and letting her identy be how others perceive her, are anything Marguery has. Had Sansa been under the Tyrell wing longer, she could have learned The Art of Courtly Politics from a much better source than sour and vengeful Petyr Baelish.
  13. I disagree with as much of your interpretation as I had patience to read (my apologies). It seems to hang largely on the concept of why any girl would want to learn swordplay. To kill? How about to protect? To preserve? To bring justice? To defend? And also, it's a very physical skill. Many people like to do physically challenging things that require skill and practice, strength, balance, quickness, strategy. Remember, they don't have basketball in Westeros - they don't have ANY sort of pneumatic ball. Sansa is perfectly happy to sit and stitch for hours, maybe share courtly gossip and mock other people's manners. Arya is out riding her horse, sparring with wooden swords, running, jumping and climbing. I totally reject your assertion which all your conclusions are based upon that Arya has always and constantly wanted to kill people.
  14. Thanks for bringing this up! I'd forgotten...
  15. This is what Lady Stoneheart's Brotherhood tell Merrett Frey before they hang him. Epilogue, Storm of Swords:
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