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  1. zandru

    Was Poor, Sweet Joff a good king?

    I suggest he may have had a chance to at least learn to curb his enthusiasms in public, under Tywin's iron hand. But Joffrey's character seemed to be pretty well set by the time of his death. I'm with you on that. Also, Tommen mentioned that he once had a fawn as a pet - but Joffrey killed it to have a vest made for himself. Cruel, selfish, inconsiderate. Bernie Mac's kind of guy - in another thread, he goes all out for Tywin, too.
  2. zandru

    Was Tywin Lannister a villain?

    You have a consistently bizarre take on things. I suspect nobody can shake your beliefs. Amen, bro! Although I strongly suspect that we'll see a greyer Ned Stark in the Winds of Winter, back when he was younger and prosecuting a war. I look forward to it!
  3. zandru

    Was Poor, Sweet Joff a good king?

    I can't believe you're still flogging this dead horse. (I can't believe I am, either.) Not under the influence of Mad Queen Mother Cersei. Tywin was right, trying to marry her off again so she'd move away. Far, far away, like Highgarden. Post-Tywin (and post-Joffrey), Kevan was right in trying to get Cersei to move back to Casterly Rock to rule as Lady, and get her away from innocent young Tommen, before she turned him into another Joffrey. But Cersei would either have to be killed, imprisoned, or dragged off kicking and screaming to part her from her male ruling surrogate Joffrey. Joffrey was a stand-in for what Cersei wanted to be, but lacked the, er "equipment".
  4. zandru

    Was Tywin Lannister a villain?

    After proudly dispatching the Reynes and Tarbecks when he was young, and promoting that catchy tune commemorating his great deeds, it seems as if Tywin has become much more careful to keep his hands clean - at least, to a superficial view. Note that He assures Tyrion that he had no idea Gregor Clegane would kill Elia, much less the brutality of the way he killed Aegon, the babe at her breast. Tywin presumes to be shocked that Amory Lorch would brutally stab a little girl, instead of "mercifully" suffocating her. All these crocodile tears should be considered suspect; Tyrion knows better, but Tywin has put himself "on record" as innocent. Tywin uses Tyrion's kidnapping as a cover story for unleashing bloody terrorism against - the Riverlands? Seriously? What's the purpose of that? Moreover, it's obviously a lame excuse, because the world knows Tywin doesn't give a rat's arse for his dwarf son. Tywin also keeps repeating the obvious lie that the Red Wedding was only "one man being killed at dinner" and therefore no big deal. We, the readers, know that it was Robb Stark's entire army, 10,000 or more men, plus his lord bannermen and knights who died. But Tywin keeps minimizing it, so that his role in the atrocity is minimized. Tywin Lannister is a hateful character, with no displayed affection for his own offspring. But you have to grant that he's good at the game and can admire his style. His interactions with Mad King Joffrey, for example. Having "the king" put to bed with a sedative when he acts up. Riding his horse up to the Iron Throne and having it take a dump, which Joffrey has to step around. Har!
  5. zandru

    Was Poor, Sweet Joff a good king?

    No, you've lost me. Your arguments seem to be legalistic and even hypothetical. I gave cases where Joffrey's orders were followed, because he was regarded as the king. You split hairs with references to the small council. Heck, under your logic, Robert Baratheon was never "king", either. It's the weekend and I have better things to do. Take this as you will (well, you will and don't actually require my permission.)
  6. zandru

    Was Poor, Sweet Joff a good king?

    Joffrey, once king and accompanied by his Kings Guard, exercised real and brutal "power." He didn't start the beatings of his betrothed until after he was king - obviously. Joffrey "ruled" unchecked during the period from Robert Baratheon's death until his nameday (12th? 13th?), when Uncle Tyrion and his Savage Horde arrived at the Red Keep. In this brief period (you wanted examples, right?) He (in rare coordination with the Queen Mother) ordered all Stark people to be killed and the Starks themselves taken prisoner. He replaced the only decent knight on his Kings guard with a man that not even his family llikes. He ordered the execution of Lord Hand Eddard Stark, which got the War of the Five Kings going in earnest. Nobody contradicted him; nobody hesitated an instant in carrying out his sentence. His frequent beatings of Sansa got underway. You may prefer to characterize this as "domestic violence" and thus excuse it, but few women would minimize its importance. He ordered, then withdrew at Sansa's begging, that Dontos Hollard be "wineboarded", basically drowned in wine, because the knight was drunk and unprepared for his joust. Sansa notes at that time that Joffrey was quite fond of making men fight to the death, which would confirm that he's done this in her presence at least once earlier. So then Tyrion takes over as Acting Hand, much to Joffery's and Cersei's disgust. Although, in your estimation, Joffrey is totally locked down and out of power, he still practices at the crossbow by killing caged rabbits - poorly. Sansa sees an unfortunate cat, pinned by a bolt and left to die "noisily"; one can imagine the rabbits fare no better. Note that cruelty to animals (NOT "hunting", I'm talking deliberate cruelty) is an indicator of similar attitudes toward people; it is known. And in fact, later Joffrey shows off his crossbow "skills" by shooting over the wall into a crowd of people begging for food. enjoys fun&games while his army, king's guard, and city watch are fighting and dying on the Blackwater Rush, by having antlers nailed to the heads of prisoners designated as "traitors", then giving them a trebuchet ride over the walls. His uncle Tyrion has to beg to get to use the trebs for military purposes. After the battle, when Lord Tywin has returned to "take control", Joffrey is admittedly more restrained. But re-read, if you can, his behavior during his wedding. Nobody takes the young boy to task for his boorishness, cruelty, overreaction, or drunkenness. They all just sit around uncomfortably and try to look away. Because, as you keep insisting otherwise, they regard him as The King.
  7. zandru

    Was Poor, Sweet Joff a good king?

    I agree. Just as the best they could say for Joffrey Lannister "Baratheon" in Dorne was that he was comely and tall for his age, the best we can say about his reign was that it was short.
  8. zandru

    Was Poor, Sweet Joff a good king?

    Joff was both cruel AND incompetent. He could barely read. He had no interest in affairs of government, only satisfying his basest urges (where did he become such a bully, anyway?) He drank more than he could handle and became much worse for it. His story track shows zero interest in improving himself or study, so the idea that with age, he would "become competent" is basically an impossibility. And where do you get that Rhaegar would have been soft and incompetent? We know next to nothing about Rhaegar (yet), but everyone who met him had a high opinion of him. (Except Robert Baratheon, who actually WAS a "soft and incompetent" king.)
  9. zandru

    Was Poor, Sweet Joff a good king?

    This is a really excellent summary. I agree completely. He was, in fact, a bad king (see Unacosamedarisa). What do you mean, "he held no real power"? His mother, the Queen Mother/Regent who was old enough to know better, GAVE him that power by insisting anything Joffrey said, went. Lisa Arryn did the same with sickly little "Sweetrobin." The "adults in the room" deferred to the child Joffrey, who they named King, and therefore he WAS king, with all the powers that entailed. True, he had no interest in governmental affairs and let them run wild, but when Joffrey decreed punishments and gratuitous tortures, he got them. His brief reign was a reign of terror. Note: I laughed when Joffrey cut himself on the Iron Throne when angrily pronouncing death sentences and then screamed for his mommy. "Even the Throne rejects him!" the doomed man called out. (heh, heh. indeed.)
  10. Neither of them have a clue as to where to start looking. And Brienne is more Clousseau than Holmes. Moreover, at this stage of her development. Sansa would likely betray them to her "father." She'd hate Jaime because he's a Lannister and Brienne because of her (even further degraded) looks and not being a proper lady.
  11. Good catch! I'm hoping that Brienne, with Jaime, has a plan. They'd make a great team, almost as good as Brienne and the Hound.
  12. Not for Lady Cat to resurrect the bastard she's hated since her first glimpse of him when she arrived in Winterfell. The "magic" is built in to allow for Lady Cat, for Lord Beric, and perhaps for Jon Snow by Melisandre, if she even realizes she has the power. Perhaps Melisandre, being trained in Assha'i like Miri Maz Duur, will assume she has to sacrifice/kill a number of other people instead, though. Nothing like Thoros giving the last rites, or Beric passing his un-life along.
  13. zandru

    If Aegon is fake, does Jon Con know?

    How did that realist get in here? ;-) by the way...
  14. Okay, I'm good with this. We have yet to learn whether Jaime survives his encounter with The Maid of Tarth, however. This seems most likely to me also, plus possible corroboration from That Which May Not Be Named.
  15. This is way too far out on the limb for me.