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  1. zandru

    Tyrion will ride Viserion

    Okay, now I'll keep an open mind about this. I'm not convinced until George RR actually puts it into print - but it's more of a possibility to me than it had been initially. Thanks! Good observation! It's too bad Theon wasn't in a position to truly understand what a cunt his father was: brutal, close-minded, painfully anachronistic and reactionary. It might have cleared his thinking with regard to his "keeper", Ned. But that's another inquiry.
  2. So Maegor the Cruel was just a tough-love kinda guy??
  3. zandru

    Tyrion will ride Viserion

    Your line of speculation is very intriguing - but you lost me at the very start. Tywin Lannister, as we have had numerous opportunities to see, is NOT a good man, much less a saint. And if Tyrion gets to ride a dragon, it'll be as a passenger, or baggage.
  4. Folks have been a lot harder on the girls for their "extreme" actions than the men. Plus, there's the desire by some to gratuitously parallel Daenerys to Cersei. But I think Dany is too well grounded, too introspective and self-judging to go that route. Look how she's constantly second-guessing herself, questioning whether that was the right decision, and if not, what she can do to fix it. On the other hand, having witnessed and harnessed the power of Drogon, Dany could be a different woman in Book 6. We readers are all ready for blood&fire; will she be?
  5. If that's the case, then slaughtering a party approaching under a flag of truce, particularly if they're highly placed officers or lords, is a great idea. Why should there be any "rules"? Sieges should last until the last corpse is eaten! Armies should fight until one side can fight no more, and then as many of the survivors hunted to their deaths! There's two main ways of seeing this: inviting allies in to celebrate and then ambushing and killing them is a good move. Or it's an atrocity. It seems lots of people can't see the difference between a battle between known and declared foes and slaughter of apparent friends at a party. Fine. This literally is a religious difference!
  6. zandru

    Tyrion will ride Viserion

    Cersei is already taking the Mad Aerys role, even down to the excess of paranoia and love of burning things with wildfire. To have this happen a third time would be boring and repetitive. Moreover, Jaime has refused Cersei in not taking the Hand job. (heh, heh) Jaime doesn't have the complete lack of ethics and self-centeredness that made Tywin such a success. So I doubt this particular scenario. Also, there hasn't yet been any indication that Tyrion will "bond" with the one remaining dragon. (Remember, Drogon is off in the Dothraki Sea and one of the others is riding with Brown Ben Plumm and his sellswords.)
  7. I'm glad you brought this up! It shows the big differences between Daenerys Stormborne and Walder Frey. This scene with Sexy Daario took place after Dany has brought down the House of the Undying, bought an army by slaughtering the vendor, and taken three cities in quick succession. The reader might be coming to the conclusion that the girl was more than a little bloodthirsty. But her reaction to staging a Meereenese Red Wedding re-establishes her basic decency and ethics. We might then consider how Walder Frey handled it. Tywin persists in telling people that only Robb Stark was killed at Edmure's wedding. Maybe that was all he told Walder to do. The other 10,000 northmen were Frey freebies, courtesy the twisted, vengeful mind of Old Walder. Yeah, yeah, I know some of y'all think that, since the Red Wedding was expedient, it was good. Moral. Needed. What they would have done in his place. That kind of sums them up, if you know what I mean.
  8. zandru

    Tyrion will ride Viserion

    I can see good old uncle Brown Ben managing to steal a dragon This would give him and his sellswords the edge in getting contracts at the highest rates all over Essos. There would be little or no point in their ever going to Westeros. This leaves Dany one dragon down! Remember, we've never seen any rapport between Book Tyrion and the dragons.
  9. You make some really intriguing points. I think the reader is influenced greatly by Old Walder's loathesome personality: his record of taking a rapid sequence of young wives and breeding them until they die, while siring bastards on yet more young women; his record for treachery; his all-the-market-will-bear fees to cross his bridge; his generally nasty and slimy portrayal. But it falls flat for me where you are comparing the few that Jaime "protects" with the many that old Walder "protects". Jaime has tried to kill, but ends up just maiming, one curious boy who was in the wrong place at the right time. Walder oversaw the happy slaughter of some 10,000. Put it as a ratio: Jaime saves 5 by offing 1 ("save ration" of 5), v Walder successfully offing 10,000 to save - let's be generous and call it 100 - a "save ratio" of 0.01. Tywin Lannister has the indecency to say Walder "killed one man at dinner", but we know what a cunt Tywin is. So Walder comes out as 500 times as awful as Jaime. No need to add in Jaime killing the pyromancer and Aerys to save the population of King's Landing. That's something we should all get behind.
  10. zandru

    Why was Jamie still a Kingsguard for Robert

    Your analysis is smart and convincing. Thanks!
  11. Well said! At this point, there's little else but recriminations on the choice of topic and who dares to respond. ;-)
  12. zandru

    Why was Jamie still a Kingsguard for Robert

    And that may be the key. Robert probably didn't feel intensely grateful to the Lord of Casterly Rock, who didn't choose sides until the war was basically over and Rhaegar killed. Keeping Tywin's golden-haired hair permanently in King's Landing as a celibate Kings Guarder may have appealed to him. Plus, Cersei no doubt loved it - and Robert never figured out why. It seems clear that Robert didn't care much for the Kingslayer, and enjoyed humiliating him by making Jaime stand guard at the door while Robert caroused with multiple women, innumerable times. Recall also at the feast on the first day of the Hand's Tourney where Robert drunkenly threw Jaime across the room for suggesting he shouldn't compete in the melee. This may not have been the first time Robert physically assaulted Jaime. But he got to, because he was the King.
  13. zandru

    Tyrion will ride Viserion

    As has Cersei's riding Rhaegal. Remember, as a girl, she drew pictures of herself and handsome Prince Rhaegal riding on a dragon. To some, Tyrion is already there!
  14. zandru

    Tyrion will ride Viserion

    Seems like less than circumstantial evidence. Wishful thinking - and there's nothing wrong with that. I personally don't see Tyrion riding anything more impressive than a jackass in the future. His last chapters (and I haven't yet read the pre-released WoW chapter(s), since I don't play Gameboy) suggest his wit is coming back to him, so long as he isn't constantly drunk. Also, he's beginning to regain his basic decency, taking both Penny and Jorah with him in his bold escape. But the closer he gets to Daenerys (and her dragons), the further away he gets. And he's a nice, sheep-sized morsel that can't run too fast.
  15. zandru

    Bowen Snowslayer redemption arc

    I agree. The yard is full of just about everyone, drawn out by the roars and screams and general commotion. The men of the Night's Watch and the Free folk who attended Jon and Tormund's battle exhortation are all worked up, and by now, liquored up, too. If these folks see their charismatic Lord Commander stabbed to death, in public, it will be all but impossible for the conspirators to be lawfully arrested, locked up, and tried. They'll be lucky to be torn apart on the spot, instead of being subject to extensive torture first. Commentary on procedure and rights is all well and good, but there will not be anyone cool-headed or commanding enough to insist that the proper procedures are followed and the rights of the accused respected. Lord Varys: "Carrie Fisher is dead. Life & 2016 suck!" Get over it, dude. Valar morghulis. The actor is on celluloid and will live forever, unlike the rest of us.
  16. zandru

    Why does the Hound hate Tyrion so much?

    Tyrion for sure - he's certainly being treated with various degrees of brutality, and is dismayed to have become the object of affection of what, to his eyes, is just an ugly dwarf. (This doesn't say much for his self awareness, does it?) But Sandor seems to have been taken into the bosom of the Quiet Isle. Clearly, he was cared for and made part of their society and daily activities. The Elder Brother was fiercely protective of him and his privacy, to allow him to find himself and to heal spirtually as well as physically. "Love" has got to be more than merely a man humping a woman. I think Sandor is actually experiencing love, manifested as fellowship. This is likely a first for him, and should make a difference. (We shall see...)
  17. zandru

    Why does the Hound hate Tyrion so much?

    I think you're right. Jaime appeared to be a lot more shocked about Cersei's sexual conquests, and dwelled on them like Tyrion dwelled on "where do whores go?" Plus, although Joffrey was Jaime's son, they had never been close and Jaime didn't much approve of Joffrey's behavior, when it came down to it.
  18. zandru

    Why does the Hound hate Tyrion so much?

    That. Although Tyrion's rage wasn't all that far misdirected. Jaime had just informed him that it wasn't just Tywin's cruelty, that he Jaime had abetted it by telling Tyrion Tywin's lie that Tysha was just a hired whore. (Too many Tys!) Tyrion's oldest and best friend and brother had been complicit in Tysha's humiliation, just as much as Tyrion himself was when he too bent to Tywin's will and raped his wife after the guardsmen had finished. So Tyrion struck back with the sharpest cutting edge of his wit and tongue. Throughout the rest of the books, this scene is burnt into the brothers' minds. Tyrion goes downhill rapidly, working systematically to drink himself to death. Jaime starts re-evaluating his sister and his life - and remembering the lessons from Brienne.
  19. zandru

    Why does the Hound hate Tyrion so much?

    Well, I can agree with you there. Tyrion, as I noted, has been obsessed and devastated over the Tysha affair and doesn't want to do to another person what Tywin did to him.
  20. zandru

    Why does the Hound hate Tyrion so much?

    I've got to disagree in the case of Tyrion. We're in his head, and he never evinces any kind of "love" for Sansa. It's more like concern and consideration. He doesn't actually even "want" her. We see how different his relationship is with Shae. With Sansa, the best he thinks he can hope for is less hatred. She doesn't "do" anything for him. With Sandor, I got the impression that Sansa may have been just about the first person to treat him with basic courtesy. That's because she just crawled out of the backwoods with her uncouth northern family, though. Although schooled in distinguishing among the great and the smallfolk and bastards, and treating each accordingly, Sansa doesn't immediately realize Sandor is just the house dog. As for Sandor, he's only one of millions of men who have mistaken basic courtesy as some kind of affection. By the time he leaves King's Landing, I suspect he's figured out his mistake and chalked it up as just another entry on a long, long list of disappointments, mistakes, and betrayals. For that matter, Brienne made the same mistake with Renly. He didn't just laugh in her face and snicker behind her back like all the other males. Who wouldn't feel at least a certain affection for someone like that?
  21. zandru

    Why does the Hound hate Tyrion so much?

    I think you have really nailed it here! Sandor would likely have seen this scenario play out before. Remember, when he kills, he uses maximum force so as to cause instant death, unlike some. Would he bring a child back alive, knowing that brutal tortures would doubtlessly await him? I'm guessing no, and it's all right to accuse me of wishful thinking. Good catch! Also, we in the 21st might be careful about crying "pedophile!" Back in medieval Westeros, the age of consent was around 12, or the time of first menses. So our "child" of say, 13 to 24** would be a "woman grown" in Westeros, and thus legal. ------- * Why 24? That was the age of "the mere child" Monica Lewinsky when she and Bill Clinton had their impeachment-causing tryst.
  22. zandru

    Why does the Hound hate Tyrion so much?

    Yeah, when I read his POVs I kept thinking how his life might have changed if some maester (like Aemon) had taken the time and trouble to deal with his facial boils. I find that the "men of the cloth" - the Elder Brother and even Thoros of Myr - had the best understanding of Sandor Clegane. Given this quote, it's reasonable to state that Sandor was NOT "an alcoholic" - he was what we call "self-medicating." He didn't have a compulsion to drink for drinking's sake, as we can see by his competence most of the time. It was to deaden his thoughts at certain particular times. (Or the occasional celebration, in which even Septas overindulged.) Note that he seems to drink more after Joffrey is crowned.
  23. zandru

    Why does the Hound hate Tyrion so much?

    This is not true. All members of a House are entitled to wear the sigils of that house, as are the folks who serve that house. Sandor has every right to the Clegane black dogs on a field of yellow, and in fact, this is how his shield is painted. Calling himself "the Hound" echoes the family sigil as well as emphasizing his loyalty, obedience, and ferocity. The helm, which is in keeping with the fanciful helms described for the major houses, emphasizes his identity as the Hound, as well as making him more attractive. There's nothing arbitrary or unimaginative about any of it. I'd also guess that his armor was done by his own order. If Joffrey (or Cersei) had had anything to do with it, it would be some frou frou gilded crap with lion's heads all over it. Like the stuff Jaime wears when he's not in Kingsguard whites.
  24. zandru

    Why does the Hound hate Tyrion so much?

    Lots of very insightful posts!! Sounds on the mark. I also assumed that "defecting" from the Lannisters would result in Tywin putting a price on his head, or something. Can a "sworn sword" retract his vow without consequence? Seems pretty reasonable to me (think of the gigantic children!!) But Westeros would regard it with laughter as a freak show. Don't see why everyone has to die tragically, going down fighting... (that's just me) You've really got it there! As you noted, when Sandor warned Tyrion that Joffrey would remember this, Tyrion just thought it was more of the big guy's "insolence." In fact, Joffrey and Sandor seem to have a very familiar, easy relationship. As far as I recall, Joffrey has never demanded obeisances from Sandor and Sandor has never given them. Their exchanges (can't call them conversations) seem fairly light-hearted and off the cuff. But, harkening back to earlier observations, while Sandor may be Joff's "sworn shield", he reports back to Cersei. Always, and frequently. Joff knows he's on a relatively short leash. At least, until he's named King. Good catch! Note all the times that Sandor just needs to loosen his sword in its sheath, or give one of his "Hobson's choices" (your boots or your legs). Don't know about this one. Sansa is in a constant state of terror when he's nearby. When Sandor is elsewhere, he's like the Perfect Man that she compares every other man to. In his presence, she's a gibbering parrot.
  25. zandru

    Why does the Hound hate Tyrion so much?

    No, this is totally wrong. Sandor left (possibly fled) his father's home right after Gregor killed their father in a "hunting accident." He'd go straight to Casterly Rock to claim service with Tywin Lannister, his liege lord - and thus be under Lannister protection from his murderous brother. After all, he was 12 years old and no match for a 17-yo 8 foot tall monster like Gregor, who didn't want any competition for the Clegane lands and tower house. Tywin would have been the man who assigned Sandor to guard his lovely daughter, Cersei, once she was betrothed to Robert Baratheon. Probably not at first, until he'd proved himself and maybe grown a little. Tywin wasn't in King's Landing for most of the backstory, but would have sent Sandor, along with many other Lannister men, to keep Cersei and her offspring safe. Naturally, she would later assign him to her little Crown Prince Joffrey, once he was old enough to strut around on his own.
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