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  1. It's impossible to rape someone without treating them like an object. It's impossible to rape someone without feeling entitled to their body. “Those had been the worst nights, lying helpless underneath him as he took his pleasure, stinking of wine and grunting like a boar. Usually he rolled off and went to sleep as soon as it was done, and was snoring before his seed could dry upon her thighs. She was always sore afterward, raw between the legs, her breasts painful from the mauling he would give them. The only time he'd ever made her wet was on their wedding night.” AFFC, Cersei VII I don't understand how anyone can read this passage and not come to the conclusion that he is using her like an object and meeting his needs at the expense of hers, which is the essence of intimate partner abuse, that's what it is. That means, using real world psychology, which we absolutely can do since the characters are very realistically drawn, that Robert is an intimate partner abuser, and research across cultures has shown that the cause of this behavior is the combination of narcissism and culturally conditioned misogyny, and that an abuser will abuse any intimate partner eventually. This isn't just my informed opinion, this is fact. I dare you to find a psychotherapist who will tell you differently. Even he obviously knew at some level that he was hurting her and that what he did was wrong, as we see when she confronts him about it. This also shows that he has been abusing her like this since the very first year of their marriage. “For Robert, those nights never happened. Come morning he remembered nothing, or so he would have had her believe. Once, during the first year of their marriage, Cersei had voiced her displeasure the next day. "You hurt me," she complained. He had the grace to look ashamed. "It was not me, my lady," he said in a sulky sullen tone, like a child caught stealing apple cakes from the kitchen. "It was the wine. I drink too much wine."”AFFC, Cersei VII She struck him after he'd raped her. How is striking a rapist who raped you and then tries to gaslight you and shows no sign of taking responsibility, let alone intending to stop that behavior worse that raping? Had the chipped tooth been that dramatic of an injury, another POV would have mentioned Robert having it. Besides, a chipped tooth is nothing at all compared to being raped, which is a massive trauma. (Btw, I haven't been able to find a text passage where a drinking horn is used to kill someone.)
  2. We learn about both the tooth chipping incident and Robert repeatedly raping Cersei from the same source, Cersei's POV, her own thoughts. Accepting one as factual while discounting the other without any evidence is illogical. And how someone can equal chipping a tooth to years of violent rapes just boggles my mind.
  3. There is ample literature about intimate partner violence. There are many common misconceptions about it, but it has been very well researched. Robert can be nice to, say, Ned because he doesn't see him as inferior (as he does with women) and he doesn't consider Ned an object, his property to do with as he pleases (as he does with women he beds). If you consider someone an object (which is a result of a combination of narcissism and culturally conditioned misogyny), you can do whatever to them and not feel too bad about it, because you “have the right” to do it. Thing is – and this is very well established by research – the abuser is like this, they are like this with any intimate partner. They are so entitled that they won't respect any of the partner's boundaries and will progressively violate them. They feel they have the right to meet their needs at the expense of their partner's needs. Abusers are often well regarded by some friends and in the community. They take everything out on their partner, so they can be pleasant to others when they want. Think the well respected guy who goes to church on Sunday and beats his wife on Monday. Robert is an alcoholic with poor impulse control and a propensity to use violence as the answer to any problem anyway. He probably wasn't always an alcoholic, but the other characteristics seem to always have been there. Please note that I am not saying Cersei isn't narcissistic or abusive herself, she clearly is. My point is that any woman would received similar treatment eventually because Robert would have felt entitled to meet his needs at the expense of hers, and progressively violate her boundaries.
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    Names for new Targaryens

    Should Arianne give FAegon a child, I could totally see her naming a girl Nymeria.
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    Poll: Is Lemore Actually Ashara?

    No. Neither the age nor the description line up. Lemore is in her forties, Ashara is in her late thirties at most. "She was past forty, more handsome than pretty, but still easy on the eye." (ADWD, Tyrion IV) That doesn't sound like the description of one of the most beautiful women in all of Westeros. I also feel that Tyrion would have mentioned it if Lemore had an unusual eye color.
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    Poll: Is Sweetrobin the Son of Littlefinger?

    "No." She stamped a foot. "I want you now, this very night. And I must warn you, after all these years of silence and whisperings, I mean to scream when you love me. I am going to scream so loud they'll hear me in the Eyrie!" (ASOS, Sansa VI)
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    Poll: Is Sweetrobin the Son of Littlefinger?

    Yes. Sweetrobin has brown hair and is unusually small for his age, just like Littlefinger. Jon Arryn was a tall, powerful man. (While we don't know for a fact if Harry the Heir having Jon Arryn's look in his youth extends to the coloring – Harry has sandy blond hair and blue eyes – this being brought up seems to me like another hint.) The Tullys are tall people (both Lysa and Catelyn are taller than Littlefinger; Hoster and Edmure are tall men) with auburn hair. So Sweetrobin has neither the Arryn look nor the Tully look, in a book in which mysteries concerning genetic traits play a large role. Considering how obsessed with Littlefinger and how needy Lysa is, and that both of them lived at court, I find it impossible to believe that in all those years they never had sex. She would have demanded it eventually. We also know that Jon's two previous marriages were childless, his first wife giving him only one stillborn, his second wife apparently never even getting pregnant. Compare this to Littlefinger, who got Lysa pregnant only the second time they ever had sex. GRRM likes irony. The man researching and discovering the “Baratheon” heirs to the Iron Throne not being Robert's children himself raising another man's child as his heir is ironic. The only counterargument is Lysa not bringing this up in her rant to Littlefinger before he pushes her out the Moon Door. However, Lysa is clearly mentally unstable and delusional. I believe she deluded herself into believing her son is an Arryn, that she fulfilled her duty to provide the Arryn line with an heir. If she admitted, even to herself, that Sweetrobin is Littlefinger's son, that would mean her beloved son isn't an Arryn and certainly isn't Lord of the Vale.
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    5 wackiest Crackpot "theories"

    (Apart from those already mentioned:) Bloodraven warging everyone and everything (like for example the boar that killed Robert).
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    Last One Standing

    Sansa
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    Wow, I never noticed that v.17

    Margaery's septa Nysterica (probably, following the rule of narrative economy) is a Waynwood whose mother Alys Arryn was Jon Arryn's sister. Septa Nysterica had a homely pox-scarred face but seemed jolly (Sansa I, ASOS) "Lord Jasper Arryn, begin with him. Jon Arryn's father. He begot three children, two sons and a daughter. Jon was the eldest, so the Eyrie and the lordship passed to him. His sister Alys wed Ser Elys Waynwood, uncle to the present Lady Waynwood." (Alayne II, AFFC) "Which brings us back to the five remaining daughters of Elys and Alys. The eldest had been left terribly scarred by the same pox that killed her sisters, so she became a septa.” (Alayne II, AFFC "Ser Osney is young and lusty, I will grant you," the queen said, "but a faithful knight for all that. If he says that he was part of this . . . no, it cannot be. Margaery is a maiden!" "She is not. I examined her myself, at the behest of His High Holiness. Her maidenhead is not intact. Septa Aglantine and Septa Melicent will say the same, as will Queen Margaery's own septa, Nysterica, who has been confined to a penitent's cell for her part in the queen's shame." (Cersei X, AFFC) Not sure yet what this means.
  11. If a person is abusive, they are abusive, meaning they will abuse any intimate partner. (Robert beats and rapes Cersei. Of course, Cersei is an abusive person as well, in different ways.) It's a character trait based in narcissism plus cultural conditioning to see women as inferior. It can change with a certain form of therapy, but other than that, it will only get worse over time (Robert beating Cersei in front of Ned). (I have spent several years researching intimate partner violence.) So, yes, Robert would eventually have physically and sexually abused any woman he was married to.
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    A Faithful Knight in Winterfell

    This concept that only knights can enter tourneys (which is said in The Hedge Knight to Dunk) is either extremely fuzzy or untrue. We hear about Sandor Clegane, Jory Cassell and Brienne entering tourneys, none of them are knights.
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    Poll: Is Jon Snow the son of a Dayne?

    No. I believe in R + L = J. If that is true, Jon has Dayne blood anyway through Aegon v's Dayne mother.
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    Poll: Is Daario actually Euron?

    No. The parallels between them are thematic and symbolic.
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    Poll: Did Jojen Die Off-Page in DANCE?

    Yes. (Not entirely sure, but I lean towards it. There are many hints, it would fit thematically imo with the increasing presence of cannibalism in the story, he eventually stops saying "This is not the day I die", the oddly specific text passage of Jojen in/on a "bole"...)
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