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  1. It would be way stranger that it did not come up if they were actually innocent. Burning the stables would have never been effective as burning the library, because in this world books are gold. A book is a gift worth a royal wedding. Catelyn herself says she might have gone to save the books had she not been "half mad with grieve". It can't be overlook, by the way, Tyrion is the only character we know who inspected the target of the arson. The bottom line for me is this. If Tyrion is innocent, his relationship with Petyr makes no sense and Littlefinger's "untouchability" is actually considered the biggest plothole in the series. If Tyrion is guilty, his relationship with Petyr makes perfect sense and there is no plothole. If Joffrey is guilty, the choice of the Dagger makes no sense and is to be considered random. If Tyrion is guilty, the choice of the Dagger makes perfect sense and was intentional.
  2. These topics are all lenghtly discussed in the various chapter, I will try to summarize as well. The arson in the library is in my opinion one of the main pieces of evidence pointing to Tyrion. The catspaw repeats a few times to Catelyn "You are not supposed to be here": it seems he was assured by the mastermind who armed him that everybody would have run for the fire, including Catelyn. Now, this clearly doesn't seem like something Joffrey would have thought - if a fire hatched in the library of the Red Keep, he would not care less. The idea that only burning books could have made Catelyn leave the room shouts like Tyrion's thinking. The main motive of Tyrion is protecting House Lannister and acquire his father's approval, which he always craves: ironically, it is the same motive Jaime attributes to Joffrey. The fun side of the story is that Tywin is probably even aware of Tyrion's guilt. When the two meet at the Inn, Tywin tells Tyrion: "To my lights, it was you who started this". And right after that, Tywin starts rewarding Tyrion times and times again: before that, the most responsability he had given him was the command of the privies; after the incident, he lets him lead a division in battle, appoints him acting Hand, then master of coin, then gives him Sansa to wed. Tywin actually recognized Tyrion as "his son" because when the time came, he did not flicker to order a hit on a comatose boy in order to defend House Lanniser. Cersei is in my opinion Tyrion's accomplice and provided the Dagger - this is also what Littlefinger thinks afterall. The main piece of evidence I got for this is that when Jaime speculates about Joffrey's involvement, and the possibility this was Tyrion's motive for the royal murder, Cersei accepts this possibility. This is way out of character: we would expect Cersei to be furious at Jaime for accusing their dead son, expecially since Tyrion was already arrested for that crime! We would expect Cersei to accuse Tyrion over and over and over. I think she does not because she doesn't want to let Jaime know that they conspired behind his back. This also explains why Lannisters never discuss the matter, expecially in Cersei-Tyrion first scene in A Clash of Kings, when they discuss basically everything that happened in A Game of Thrones... except the Dagger plot!
  3. I get what you mean and I should probably reduce that part which is mostly superfluous. I'll try to summarize the major evidence that can be found against Tyrion in chronological order. 1. In his first POV chapter, Tyrion spent the night in the Winterfell library and on his way out warns Septon Chayle about the driest parchments - the likeliest to hatch fire. So we know for a fact Tyrion inspected the library and has the means to instruct the catspaw on how to hatch the fire. 2. At breakfast, Tyrion gets confirmation from Jaime that his siblings had something to do with the fall, thus he has a strong motive to orchestrate the assassination. 3. Although the catspaw had been paid in advance, he is committed to kill Bran nonetheless, even when stopped by Catelyn. The only explanation for that is that the ninety silver stags were only part of his payment, and there is only one character from the royal party who actually planned to come back to Winterfell in the near future: Tyrion Lannister. 4. The choice of a dagger belonging to Robert not only limit the suspects to the royal family but also implies the will to frame the King for the attempt. This further compromise the Lannisters, who wanted to create a grunge between Ned and Robert so that lord Stark would not be Hand. 5. Tyrion will later show to have all necessary knowledge about the dagger's history in order to conceive the plot: use Robert's dagger and have Catelyn go to King's Landing, where she will find her childhood friend Petyr Baelish, who lost the knife to Robert, and will hopefully accuse the king due to his affection for lady Stark. The plan of course backfires because Littlefinger smelled the plot leagues away. 6. Even though Tyrion knows the Dagger is Robert's he will never, ever, suspect the King, not even on the morning of the Purple Wedding. This is extremely odd since Robert will actually be considered a viable suspect by both Jaime and Ned. 7. When news of Bran's awakening arrive at Castle Black, Tyrion immediately consoles Jon for his loss, even though Luwin had told him the boy was out of danger (this insight by Luwin is confirmed by Robb independently). 8. When Tyrion acquires knowledge of Bran's awakening, he looks "startled". 9. When Tyrion arrives in Winterfell, he does not ask why Catelyn is absent, nor what happened to the library tower, and most importantly he is not surprised that Robb is threatening him pointing his sword at him. Moreover, Bran tells him "he did not fall" and Luwin shuts Bran up, saying the boy does not remember anything. If you sum all this up, you would expect Tyrion to be panicking, because it really seems the boy does remember indeed - instead he does not lose his cool, although everything seems to be shouting that the incest has just been exposed. 10. The direwolves attack Tyrion without any reason why. There are even taller strangers in the room, with swords in hand, but they decide to attack the unarmed dwarf nonetheless. 11. Tyrion is not surprised to find Catelyn traveling incognito on the Kingsroad nor he freaks out. Had he been innocent, this should be another confirmation that the incest has been exposed; instead, being guilty, he is happy to find Catelyn there because he thinks she already spoke to Littlefinger and everything is going accordingly to plans. 12. When he is captured, Tyrion is again unsurprised by knowledge he should not possess - he doesn't ask what happened to Bran, but immediately vouches for his innocence and swears on his honor it was not him. 13. During his trip with Catelyn, when threatened with his life he shouts: "Kill me and the truth dies with me!" which basically means confessing the crime. 14. During his speculations about a trial in the sky cells, he never relies on his de facto innocence, but only on the absence of evidence "as long as he can see". 15. Tyrion starts suspecting someone is using him as a catspaw only after he gets accused of Jon Arryn's murder as well - not before. He does not even suspects Petyr is the one using him, even though he already knows he was the one to accuse him! 16. Furthermore, Tyrion never asks for a regular trial, nor for the trial to be held in King's Landing, two things he could have easily obtained and would have likely resulted in his acquittal, but instead decides to roll the dices in a trial by combat. 17. Tyrion never moves against Littlefinger even though Tywin stated that looking for traitors among the small council was first order of business. 18. When Littlefinger confronts him with the Dagger, Tyrion recognizes it as a fine blade even though it was undrawn, just by the dragonbone hilt. This confirms to Littlefinger it was indeed Tyrion, because "dragonbone is plain" and even ser Rodrik had to look "long and hard" before recognizing the blade had some value. 19. When Littlefinger offers him the Dagger, Tyrion not only refuses what would have been evidence of Baelish's treachery, but also blurts out "Mine? Not mine. Never mine!" further incriminating himself, because no one in the room had suggested that blade had ever belonged to him. 20. After being confronted with the Dagger, Tyrion offers Littlefinger Harrenhal, the castle he will ultimately get at the end of the book, without Tyrion ever opposing him. He even thinks: "He knows, that insolent wrench. He knows and he knows that I know, and he thinks that I cannot touch him" which of course makes zero sense unless Tyrion is actually guilty. I may have been chaotic but that is the core of the theory, I hope you will give it another try and I will consider follow your advice and reduce the first part.
  4. Hello everybody, I'm here to present you a massive theory I've worked on for years. A Game of Tones is the first part of three installments that will basically cover the whole Tyrion's journey throughout the first three books. The remaining two, A Clash of Schemes and A Storm of Souls, are yet to be published. To sum it up, although I know many will just discard this as tinfoil, I think Tyrion Lannister will later be revealed to be indeed the man behind Bran's attempted murder. I know it sounds crazy, but please click on the link below and have some fun - I promise you, even if I may not convince you, you will enjoy this. Here's why I think Tyrion sent the Catspaw To briefly sum it up, I think Tyrion is affected by an antisocial personality disorder and constantly manipulates himself and the audience with "just half lies". The amount of evidence pointing to Tyrion is massive, as you will see, expecially compared to the non-existent evidence pointing to Joffrey. Tyrion also confessed the crime between the lines twice, once to Catelyn and the other one to Littlefinger. Don't you believe me? Come and see. To navigate the website just keep clicking "next" at the bottom of any page. I asked if linking my website was admissible but I got no answers. I saw other topics with private links so I thought this could be okay. I do not get any money or nothing actually from people visiting the website. If that's against the rules (didn't find any in the guidelines) I'm sorry. Hope you will enjoy!
  5. Hello everybody. I created a website with a massive theory about the series. I would like to share it with the community and discuss about it, but I don't know whether I'm allowed to create a topic with an external link to my own website or not. There are no ads on the website and I have no interest in people visiting it - aside from reading what I wrote. I would also consider copy&paste it all but this would require a massive rework in order to shape it correctly (if anyone could suggest how to easily convert wordpress into html I might do it that way, I tried a few online converters but those don't work properly). Thanks to anyone who might answer or help. Have a nice day.
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