DarkAndFullOfTurnips

DP

I find this incredibly funny that you're complaining of not seeing Dany for one week whereas people who read the books waited 10 FUCKING YEARS to read a Dany chapter because George skipped her for an entire book.

Littlefinger gives her to Joffrey after finding out she was spying. Littlefinger then sets sail to the Vale and Sansa is crying because he was her last hope out of King's Landing after finding out she is being forced to marry Tyrion.

Lol!

You missed it because it didn't happen. He says fringed. The show isn't stupid enough to reference France use your head.

I'm not sure why everyone is hating on Sam being shit at making a fire. Of all the characters I'd want to build a fire for me, Sam is definitely among the last.

I think you need more than 1 bad episode after 2 great episodes to really feel like something will trend down.

Ill go with 7 I guess. Like everyone said, not a lot going on. Kind of weird writing at times between Arya/Gendry/Mel and the Littlefinger sequence that shows Sansa crying. Why did we skip Tyrion telling her and Shae's reaction to it?

Take, for example, the theories of Robb getting Jeyne pregnant as precedence. It would just be a baby but it would be the heir and change everything. So Jon Icefyre is right, the heir need only exist to be the heir. Hence Tywin presenting the dead Targeryan babes to Robert.

Tywin would be the best player if he knew how to be a parent enough to the children to whom he gives so much power and influence. His entire legacy is "Brilliant manipulator, terrible father."

Let's not pretend like it takes that long to read how to read. All you need is a reason (which most Westerosi peasants don't have) and it's pretty simple. Remember that she's not every whore in Westeros, she's just one whore who learned to read.

Of course Robb's decision was the just thing to do. You don't excuse murder because it was commited by a man you need. That's Tywin-style, not Ned Stark style. The manner in which he goes about it and the timing were pretty bad but it was the just thing to do.

I don't recall him being there. In that scene everyone but Ned agrees to kill her - Littlefinger, Pycelle, Varys, Robert. Barristan wasn't in on that conversation.

I think it helps that aSoS is packed with awesome interactions where aCoK was a bit less...vivid I suppose.

All of the Karstark dialogue is basically lifted straight from the book so I wouldn't say it was writing. Also Ygritte's you know nothing line was also in the book. Just pointing it out. That's doesn't mean they were perfect but that's where they came from.

I wouldn't say showing a gay half-sex scene is homophobic at all. That's like saying Pod with whores scene is heterophobic. It's just a deviation of character.

Well the first scene was almost a copy of the book version so that's not really true.

I just noticed something also. Pretty soon after Jaime's recount of the conflict of keeping his vow to Aerys, Barristan says a man of honor keeps his vows to a drunk or a lunatic. I thought that was a nice little job of showing both sides of that conflicting choice since Jaime's honor is a running theme from now on.

Probably the same as us. Oh that's so cruel! But actually maybe it's no so bad given the other alternatives lol.

The Robb/Karstark bits were almost verbatim from the books, which was superb. Those were the best sequences to pick to remain perfectly faithful, in my opinion, along with the bath scene. I guess they wanted to keep the resurrection a bit of a mystery. We see Thoros chant some words and then Beric comes back. I assume they're saving the kiss of life thing for later.

We know he's gay but in the books he's so devoted to Renly. He tells Tyrion something like when the sun is set no candle in the world can compare. The show took a more realistic approach, I guess, which is that while Lora's mourned Renly he didn't totally lose his sexual drive. But it is a big deviation for his character.

Yes, that was a nice exchange. Although Beric seems a bit less unhappy about it than he seemed in the books.

By the way, how the hell would Tywin know the Karstarks left Robb so quickly? Roose isn't in Riverrun so there must be another spy. Well even if there's another spy that information was delivered pretty quick, but I'm willing to suspend belief if there is indeed another spy.

Really good. I like that the tension is building. It seems like everything is about to erupt. Jaime continues to be awesome. I'm not sure I like Robb devising strategy with Talisa. At least they've given him some sort of plan though. Everything else was pretty spot on though, minus Tywin suddenly changing how he pronounces Tyrell but that's a minor gripe.

I quite like TV Robb. Not moreso than book Robb but I still like him. For all of his mistakes and hypocrisy, he's a boy shoved into a terrible situation in which he could not possibly win. But he is the north. The northerners we love are at his mercy, so to speak. At one point his men idolized him. But then his men grew discontent, disregarding the victories, because being a King is more than just winning battles. I think the show portrayal illustrates that the northerners were also hasty and irresponsible in choosing him to be King Robb. He is Ned Stark's son but yet not enough to make it cheesy. Maester Aemon tells Jon that Ned is one in a million. I think Robb is proof of that, but he hasn't lost sympathy from me because he chose to marry an actual woman. It's stupid and tragic, but I don't know if I were him I'd be much better. That's why I still like Robb. People will call him a buffoon or whatever, but I think he is more like most men than people would care to admit. But the point is he's not quite a King, in contrast to Tywin Lannister who doesn't hold the title but may as well should. In the show I see that, because in the books Robb was never really a hero. Jon remarks at the wall (to himself) that he was to remembered as bastard, turncloak, oathbreaker where Robb would be remembered as a hero. But that line sealed it for me that Jon's naivety perfectly explained to me that Robb wasn't really a hero. His whining is blown out of proportion. He whines a couple times in S2 which is sort of rational. Cat came back with a shit bargain for a "King." I just think that his character is human and reasonable, not ideal, which is why I'm ok with him. What King that sat the throne was a perfect King? There were maybe 5.