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12 minutes ago, Darkstream said:

Well, to be blunt, if you like Got you are a tinfoil chaser. I'm not saying this makes you simple minded or that there is anything wrong with it. I myself have my own guilty pleasures that I would consider to be tinfoil chasing. I just don't go around pretending that I like those things for something that it obviously is not. 

Right, I also assume you believe the majority are stupid? Or at the very least have no taste? 

2 hours ago, dbunting said:

So, let me see if I get this right. The episodes that have no tits or gore and focus on people are lambasted for poor writing and being slow. The episodes with tits and dicks and dick jokes are bitched about being exploitive and low brow. The episodes with action and gore and criticized for being violent and OMG the hero didn't die in the battle and not focused on people or politics.

So basically, the show should just consist of the opening credits and then pages from the books shown on screen?

To be fair, every episode is called poor writing, lazy writing, not true to the books, cheap, no budget, no wolves, no dragons, oh wait dragons but I wanted wolves this time, flashy lights, people who like it have no taste, just watch for the tits and dragons, wouldn't understand good writing if they saw it...

 

Basically this

a small minority just like to complain and they find things to nitpick.

10 minutes ago, lakin1013 said:

I do not argue with your many good points but I think Jon is 'being built as a leader' as we watch.   He is still a teenager and at his sullen, self-pitying best, he was just a nobody, a bastard (I believe those are his own words). Sure he fought in battles, one in a huge walled castle, one against supernatural beings, and now directly against other human beings.  He will not make these same mistakes again.  I find this a rare view to a hero being made, instead of born or supernaturally gifted. This is a hero that doesn't even know he is a hero, at least not yet.  Yes, I give you the plot armor (armour?) but I like that we get to see his errors, like when even Tormund is saying exactly what I was - don't.  And I try to keep in mind that this is still a teenager, not a man grown.

Totally agree with you.

at the wall, the defenses were already set, it was about being able to maintain discipline and lead an army; Jon was able to do that.

At hard home he was fighting dead men who had no tactic, all they did was try to overwhelm the defenses that were already in place. Again, Jon had to have discipline and be able to lead which he did.

Jon has never been the guy to actually have battle plans; he really had not been in that situation till now. He cleary knows what it takes to be a leader because he destroyed Ramsey by actually pointing it out.

Like you said, this is part of a learning curve because he was not born with a gift to lead. He was a squire of sorts, a bastard, low born, and he learned a lot,

36 minutes ago, Darkstream said:

I never compared two tv shows to each other. 

No, I never said it was the same thing. My point was this. If 100 people choose to go to one show, and only 10 people choose to go to another show, then those numbers would suggest that the former was a better show. However, this is not the case, these numbers in essence, lie. Just because a majority of the people choose to see the first show and enjoy that type of a show, it does not mean it is better than the latter. 

The same goes for voting in a poll, just because a majority think that this show is good, it does not make it so. These polls confirm the popularity of Got, it does not speak to the quality of it in any way. 

 

I'm not trying to use numbers to prove a point. My whole point is that you can't use these numbers to prove a point. I'm not sure where you get this from? 
The gross income of Jurassic world is useless in judging the quality of it. 
The number of 10 votes that Got received is useless in judging the quality of it. That's a fact. 
 

I know what you are trying to say. "You can't use numbers to prove a point". My responsive is it depends on what data you are using to prove a point. You or someone that's arguing the same thing said, Jurassic Park grossed a lot of money and that does not mean it is  highly rated. Obviously, you are right, but those two have very little correlation. It's like going up to someone and saying I weight 150LB and that's why i'm taller. The numbers did not lie, it's what you tried to prove using them.

AND to your other statements YES, you can't really judge the movie based on what it grossed in the box office. Very few people will claim that. You don't see people running around telling you GOT episode 10 was the best episode because 9 million people watched it. No, they are telling you when people were asked what they would rate the episode, a high majority (75%) rated it 9-10.

How do you not understand the correlation between being asked how good a show is in a scale of 1-10 and the quality? 

5 minutes ago, Darkstream said:

True, but jondance's implication was that these numbers do prove that it was the best show ever. He stated: 

The analogy that JEORDHl used would counter his claim that the numbers don't lie. The fact that Jurassic World grossed as much as it did, would suggest that it was a good movie, but as I'm sure most of us would admit, this is not the case, and proves that the numbers do lie. 

Any numbers derived from either a fan poll, or how many viewers saw something is useless in judging the quality of something. Popularity does not equate to quality. 

It's hard to compare between two tv shows. One person did not watch both tv series.

you are using gross revenue to act as if that's the same as voting. It's not! You can claim that Jurassic is top 10(is it?) grossing movies worldwide. 

Numbers don't lie! Just because you try to use numbers to prove a point that has nothing to do with that set of data does not make this statement any less true. You ca tell me that X amount of people voted died in 2016 and then make a statement that has nothing to do with those in order to say, see numbers lie.

21 hours ago, JEORDHl said:

But that's my point. Statistical rule negating lower ratings because the majority gave it high ones? Or am I misunderstanding your argument?

If the former, it's ridiculous. From a subjective point of view, when I see 10s being doled out en masse cause, manipulated feels, instead of feels on merit [meaning, in-character and logically consistent with established motivation(s) and conflict(s)] I'd argue instead that reality is actually inverted and the insane are describing what sanity is.  

 

It doesn't negate all lower ratings. Only the absolute opposite. When you have a negative curve and one side holds like 80% votes, without a doubt the 1s would be outliers

you might not agree with it, but in statistics, you are wrong. Hence why I said, that saying ones opinion is worth as much as anyone's is completely wrong. That's not really an excuse. It really is how the world functions. When you vote, the majority get what they want passes, the minority must follow.  IMDb, metacritic and even RT(I didn't check this one) do the same thing

17 minutes ago, watcher of the night said:

 

First of all, idiots can be very popular espacially with other idiots. So this popularity contest idea can be very dangerous.

Second, they butchered everything, including the story, characters, personalities, logic and common sense in order to serve up the most boring and most predictable "plot twist". How on earth is this "Emmy winning" story writing?

Third, they have no idea how to tell a good strory; they move from plot twist to lot twist, and character personalities an motivations are determined by the need of future plot twists. This is very evident with Davos, Jamie and Jon. 

 

It's not evident at all.

A characters choices are not set in stone.  A small minority complained about Davos not being mad, yet here he is look at Mel with the look as if he is gonna try and kill her. The same group complains about every little crap because it's not what happened in the books.

A character changing his mind is not a plot hole, it's something you just dont like. Jamie loves his sister again? And? What's the problem? That he turned a 180? Hello? He made a 180 in books by starting to dislike her. If anything he is more consistent in the show than the books.

plot twist? Really? What plot twist? Please, most people that rated this episode a 1-3 used the word, "predictable"

idioits can can be popular? Lol what does that even mean. Outsiders, minorities, and those who feel betrayed tend to be the loudest and most annoying. Notice, everyone who tries to justify a 1/10 feels the need to write much more. If anything, he small minority tends to be made up of idiots who believe rng are superior because they don't follow the "stupid" majority. 

1 minute ago, JEORDHl said:

No, I laughed because you're using an analysis of statistics itself to dismiss someone rating the episode lower than you'd like. It's a facile line of argumentation, and thus... amusing to me. Sorry it insulted you, but come on man.

No, it has nothing to do with me. 
I think anything lower than a 7 is something i'd l like to see but i dont dismiss them all. Hence why i told you that when you rated an episode 4-6 i understood. A 1-3 when the overwhelming majority has voted a 9+ is an outlier! 

5 hours ago, JEORDHl said:

Hahaha...

You laugh and try to insult others because all you have is the "it's my opinion and it's just as valid as anyone's" card.
You laugh despite the fact that clearly, i am right. You think ratings don't have outliers because they are subjective? That's pity because it doesn't take much to just google whether or not what you said was right. IMDB, Metacritic, and various other website that collect ratings for show also remove outliers from calculation. It must be hard to accept reality

But in a way, you are right; you opinion is special, ratings that are 1 tend to be outliers and... are consider in a way special. Congrats!

29 minutes ago, ErasmusF said:

Props to HBO for vastly improving the dragon scenes from last season. Yeah, it still looks a little stupid with Dany on Drogon's back, but at least it looks 2016 bad and not 1994 bad. 

Yeah, they clearly aren't the best cgi dragons in media but I'm quite surprised how well they look for a tv show. Sure this tv show has a budget slightly higher than 1 million per episode but accounting for all the actors, the set, and costumes, they still can get the CGI that good.

ive seen movies with bigger much budget have terrible cgi dragons/creatures 

27 minutes ago, JEORDHl said:

This is one of the more laughable posts I've read in a while [wipes tears of mirth] Thanks.

 

And it's followed up by this one, a lesson on statistical terminology in regard to a subjective experience. By your logic, if statistics is your area of expertise, I'd suggest you bow before the opinion of people educated, experienced and/or knowledgeable in crafting complex characters in conflict for compelling story.

The highest rating I've given this show in the last two seasons was an 8, for S5's Hardhome. The rest have ranged from 3 to 6 with the very rare 7. 

  

Honestly, I couldn't care less what you rated the episodes. Regardless, my statement was not meant for you. A 3-6 are a lot closer to an average than a 1. 

whatever your subjective experience is, if you rated every episodes 1-3 and take pride in it, you are an outliner. No, I do not have a major in statistics but I know how it works. Even websites like IMDB use similar method. They will list all votes but the math does exclude specific outliners.

12 minutes ago, Barristan Whitebeard said:

LOL, anyone giving this episode an 1/10 needs to seriously reevaluate some things in his life.

Brah, it was too predictable. So not GRRM's work. 

Rickon ran in a straight line
Sansa doesn't share
Jon is too lucky

1/10 because of that. 

Probably the best battle scene in TV show history. By FAR the best! 10/10

OMG! That's all i gotta say! Honestly, few minor things things that could have been better 

Of course it would not be ASOIAF if there were the small minority who don't give this show a 1. Special props to them; it takes balls to vote 1 when even ASOIAF forums give this shows 50% 10 and 22% 9. 

One is almost tempted to vote Hugh just because of the doomsayers in this forum. Non-stop hate. Thanks for watching, supporting the show you seem to hate so much. You showed us!

7.5/10. Probably the weakest episodes this week. The best parts was the Hound, and the twist in kinds landing. I was really hoping for mountain having a huge fight, sucks that it won't happen

One is almost tempted to vote Hugh just because of the doomsayers in this forum. Non-stop hate. Thanks for watching, supporting the show you seem to hate so much. You showed us!

7.5/10. Probably the weakest episodes this week. The best parts was the Hound, and the twist in kinds landing. I was really hoping for mountain having a huge fight, sucks that it won't happen

8/10

I'm glad Arya did not fully become, "no one". I'm glad that her story despite being good is finally going to start to steer different that converge with other characters once more. 

Dany's speech was nice. In a way, it was needed. While I liked how she got many Dothraki to follow her, you had a feeling, she would have to do something more to get a good grip and control over the others. Her speech, and bringing dragon was a good way to show power.

I'm REALLY not sure what's going on with Kings Landing. I would have bet a lot of money on Tomman dying but apparently it's still too early.

Cold Hands. I think a huge majority always assumed it was always Benjen. I wonder if the books will follow the same path because I could have sworn GRRM confirmed that it was no Benjen.

I'm trying to think of why the flashbacks in the beginning were shown. Clearly it's very significant. It's likely that Dragonfire is the key to killing the others/WW.

Awesome episode. I really did not see that Hodor back story coming. I really expected him to have been bullied by the Starks or something.

The Origins of the Others/WW...Wow. I also did not expect that. I'm a bit shocked that the Nights King was able to see Bran, let alone actually touch him.

They mentioned Manderlys. Here is hoping....

Of course, if would not be ASOIAF forum without the constant minority of haters. Loving the fact that at this moment, 10 has 46% of votes, 9 and 8 have another 27. 1 has 8%. No, it has nothing to doing with just being a hater. I guess some people can never be satisfied.

Here we go again. The good old excuses to try and act as if no opinion in this world matters.

The show doesn't just win Emmy's, it gets consistently high reviews from critics and fans. It's one of the most wanted shows; it's the most wanted in HBO. It is the most pirated show and tends to be talked about the most as well.

Whether you want to try and pick out a few bad apples like Transformers, remember, it was not successfully with critics or fans. I also would like to remind you that while Titanic was a decent and good movie, the critics and reviews were not the best. But then again, you are right, Lord of the Rings sucks TOO 

Just now, lyanna wolfgirl said:

mmm.  desserts.  will there be punch and pie?  more people will come if we say we have punch and pie.

"cough" yes, desserts!. 

There will be Lamprey Pie though 

15 minutes ago, lyanna wolfgirl said:

and where are the freys!?  they deserve it the MOST!  i want them all dead!

slash i am very zen and peaceful.

(but they still totally deserve it)

They will get their just deserts. I just dont think they will be present in the battle for Winterfell. They betrayed the Starks, and the Boltons betrayed them.

I think people are way too big of  twist.

We see next episode Sansa is confronting Littlefinger. It's likely that LF (if he lives through Sansa's inquisition) force with Jons will fight the Umbers, Karstarks, and Boltons. 

What a great episode. 9/10

That Jon and Sansa reunion. Sure, they never really shared a scene together, but they carried their names, their blood. When viewers talk about Starks, they think of Jon, Sansa, Arya, Robb, Cait, Edd, Bran (NOT RICKON). Seeing at least two finally reunited after 6 years (or 15+ books wise) is something else.

I'm sorry some of the book readers that were hating on Davos are eating their words now. After the storm has somewhat passed, he is asking the question they wanted him to ask. I wonder what excuse they will use next to hate on the show... wait, lets not go there. Last I check, some posters hated an episode because the color of someone's hair was blonde"ish" rather brown.

I think the ending was ugh.. I think it resolved way too quickly. 

Kings landing is shaping up to become a center ground of either a huge civil war or a small mission impossible episode. I like how Cersei took control and you know she is already planning on killing a particular someone

I'm glad to see Peter but I had wished we see more of him. I'm sad to say, it seems his end is coming. I just don't think the show writers have the screen time to actually show how smart he is. I think by next episode, Sansa will "out smart him" and take control of the veil. I really hope now

I like where Pyke/Theon is going

Tyrion.. AWESOME. I love how ended that diplomatic game with just one sentence about Westoros and Lannisters. 

2 hours ago, Modesty Lannister said:

2/10 solely based on choreography of the fight between the northerners and Arthur Dayne at the Tower of Joy. The rest is beyond garbage.

- the Wall; Jon did not dream of the crypts of Winterfell; he killed his killers why? only to resign as the Lord Commander of the NW. This is insulting viewers' intelligence. If he decided to leave the NW, fine. Leave the killers to the new LC. And he names Ed the new LC. He cannot do that. And the episode is called the Oathbreaker. Jon is no oathbreaker. Death releases one from the NW oath. And he died. Coming back to life is not what usually happens to people. 

- ToJ. We have five horsemen that mysteriously became six. We have two KGs. We have no idea who the other one is. We have no idea who the men with Ned and Reed are. Why not have seven horsemen and three KG like in the books? Why? Cost is not a reason. It costs almost exactly the same to film it with correct numbers. So, D&D managed to reduce the pivotal scene in the books, the pinnacle of mystery into yet another fight. Good fight, but just a fight. And all these mysterious words KGs exchange with Ned are not important? What is important to D&D I wonder? 

- Mereene - utter waste of time. Tyrion having nothing to talk about made me laugh. Indeed. Nothing is happening to the point that D&D even ran out of fresh cock jokes.

- Dothraki - passable, but too slow. Deanerys is the Oathbreaker here. We should have seen what the crones had planned for her.

-  Braavos - all this should have happened in the previous episode. If I hear "no one" once more, I will make my own list. 

- Sam - so much vomit. What was the point? A horrible filler. Why not meet them when the arrive to Old Town.

- KL - the utter nonsense continues. I will not even bother with all that. Poor Jamie Lannister. He has the biggest character regression since the beginning of characters.

- Winterfell - Rickon's direwolf is dead. That means he is going to die. So, why bring him in? To show us that Ramsey is a sick bastard. Is there anyone in the universe who does not know this? Umbers are gifting Ramsey with Rickon in exchange for help with wildlings? Logic? Help? Wildlings are a common threat. There is no need for such a gift. But, hey, D&D never knew logic, so why start now. Where is Theon the future Ghost of WF? When he said he was going home, it was obvious he was going back to WF to atone for his self-confessed sins against the Starks. And now he is not there. This series is advancing at snail's pace. 

In the end, I'd like to point out I gave a point to the cast for enduring such scripts. Kudos people. No money can compensate your professionalism. 

Oath breaker does not imply that Jon broke his oath. It could in fact be stating what the murderers like Olly called him.

Rickon dire wolf died, it does not mean he will. But yes, he will die for sure. Sansa's dire wolf was killed back in season 1/book1 and she is alive. 

Sam was not a filler. It was to catch you up. After all,we haven't seen him and hilly for over 4-5 episodes.

They have to make the point across that Arya's training is not easy. She said no one last time and she lied. If it was easy and all it requires of her was one lie, you'd complain that she became an assassin in one episode.

2 hours ago, Modesty Lannister said:

2/10 solely based on choreography of the fight between the northerners and Arthur Dayne at the Tower of Joy. The rest is beyond garbage.

- the Wall; Jon did not dream of the crypts of Winterfell; he killed his killers why? only to resign as the Lord Commander of the NW. This is insulting viewers' intelligence. If he decided to leave the NW, fine. Leave the killers to the new LC. And he names Ed the new LC. He cannot do that. And the episode is called the Oathbreaker. Jon is no oathbreaker. Death releases one from the NW oath. And he died. Coming back to life is not what usually happens to people. 

- ToJ. We have five horsemen that mysteriously became six. We have two KGs. We have no idea who the other one is. We have no idea who the men with Ned and Reed are. Why not have seven horsemen and three KG like in the books? Why? Cost is not a reason. It costs almost exactly the same to film it with correct numbers. So, D&D managed to reduce the pivotal scene in the books, the pinnacle of mystery into yet another fight. Good fight, but just a fight. And all these mysterious words KGs exchange with Ned are not important? What is important to D&D I wonder? 

- Mereene - utter waste of time. Tyrion having nothing to talk about made me laugh. Indeed. Nothing is happening to the point that D&D even ran out of fresh cock jokes.

- Dothraki - passable, but too slow. Deanerys is the Oathbreaker here. We should have seen what the crones had planned for her.

-  Braavos - all this should have happened in the previous episode. If I hear "no one" once more, I will make my own list. 

- Sam - so much vomit. What was the point? A horrible filler. Why not meet them when the arrive to Old Town.

- KL - the utter nonsense continues. I will not even bother with all that. Poor Jamie Lannister. He has the biggest character regression since the beginning of characters.

- Winterfell - Rickon's direwolf is dead. That means he is going to die. So, why bring him in? To show us that Ramsey is a sick bastard. Is there anyone in the universe who does not know this? Umbers are gifting Ramsey with Rickon in exchange for help with wildlings? Logic? Help? Wildlings are a common threat. There is no need for such a gift. But, hey, D&D never knew logic, so why start now. Where is Theon the future Ghost of WF? When he said he was going home, it was obvious he was going back to WF to atone for his self-confessed sins against the Starks. And now he is not there. This series is advancing at snail's pace. 

In the end, I'd like to point out I gave a point to the cast for enduring such scripts. Kudos people. No money can compensate your professionalism. 

Oath breaker does not imply that Jon broke his oath. It could in fact be stating what the murderers like Olly called him.

Rickon dire wolf died, it does not mean he will. But yes, he will die for sure. Sansa's dire wolf was killed back in season 1/book1 and she is alive. 

Sam was not a filler. It was to catch you up. After all,we haven't seen him and hilly for over 4-5 episodes.

They have to make the point across that Arya's training is not easy. She said no one last time and she lied. If it was easy and all it requires of her was one lie, you'd complain that she became an assassin in one episode.

2 hours ago, Modesty Lannister said:

2/10 solely based on choreography of the fight between the northerners and Arthur Dayne at the Tower of Joy. The rest is beyond garbage.

- the Wall; Jon did not dream of the crypts of Winterfell; he killed his killers why? only to resign as the Lord Commander of the NW. This is insulting viewers' intelligence. If he decided to leave the NW, fine. Leave the killers to the new LC. And he names Ed the new LC. He cannot do that. And the episode is called the Oathbreaker. Jon is no oathbreaker. Death releases one from the NW oath. And he died. Coming back to life is not what usually happens to people. 

- ToJ. We have five horsemen that mysteriously became six. We have two KGs. We have no idea who the other one is. We have no idea who the men with Ned and Reed are. Why not have seven horsemen and three KG like in the books? Why? Cost is not a reason. It costs almost exactly the same to film it with correct numbers. So, D&D managed to reduce the pivotal scene in the books, the pinnacle of mystery into yet another fight. Good fight, but just a fight. And all these mysterious words KGs exchange with Ned are not important? What is important to D&D I wonder? 

- Mereene - utter waste of time. Tyrion having nothing to talk about made me laugh. Indeed. Nothing is happening to the point that D&D even ran out of fresh cock jokes.

- Dothraki - passable, but too slow. Deanerys is the Oathbreaker here. We should have seen what the crones had planned for her.

-  Braavos - all this should have happened in the previous episode. If I hear "no one" once more, I will make my own list. 

- Sam - so much vomit. What was the point? A horrible filler. Why not meet them when the arrive to Old Town.

- KL - the utter nonsense continues. I will not even bother with all that. Poor Jamie Lannister. He has the biggest character regression since the beginning of characters.

- Winterfell - Rickon's direwolf is dead. That means he is going to die. So, why bring him in? To show us that Ramsey is a sick bastard. Is there anyone in the universe who does not know this? Umbers are gifting Ramsey with Rickon in exchange for help with wildlings? Logic? Help? Wildlings are a common threat. There is no need for such a gift. But, hey, D&D never knew logic, so why start now. Where is Theon the future Ghost of WF? When he said he was going home, it was obvious he was going back to WF to atone for his self-confessed sins against the Starks. And now he is not there. This series is advancing at snail's pace. 

In the end, I'd like to point out I gave a point to the cast for enduring such scripts. Kudos people. No money can compensate your professionalism. 

Oath breaker does not imply that Jon broke his oath. It could in fact be stating what the murderers like Olly called him.

Rickon dire wolf died, it does not mean he will. But yes, he will die for sure. Sansa's dire wolf was killed back in season 1/book1 and she is alive. 

Sam was not a filler. It was to catch you up, after all we haven't seen him for over 4-5 episodes.

They have to make the point across that Arya's training is not easy. She said no one last time and she lied. If it was easy and all it requires of her was one lie, you'd complain that she became an assassin in one episode.