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i thought that was the point...wildlings are uncoordinated... think mance's aim wasnt to take the castle right away, remember that Jon successfully lied and mentioned they have over a 1000 men...thats y he sent the raiding part of Tormund and Thenn's to distract them, bleed the NW...with that logic it would make sense why he sent so few for a frontal assault on the gate, again to distract them, test their defenses, use up their arrows/barrels, bleed them a bit if possible... about why Mance decided to attack Castle Black and not one of the other unmanned castles...that is something i wondered while reading the books as well :dunno:

stannis' army making an appearance for sure...but im starting to doubt if we will get more than just a glimpse of him in battle and such...no real interaction with anyone, no conversation...just battle and maybe victory

i had very mixed feelings on this episode... the main problem is i had too high expectations of how far the story would progress...i did not expect 50mins devoted to only the first skirmish...i honestly expected they would show this much in about 25-30mins...then 5 jon with mance, then stannis attacks and another 15-20 mins of battle anyway, what i liked about the ep - - GHOST! even if for 2 seconds - action was up to par IMO - fire was impressive - Thorne actually admitting that Jon was right - Jon's fight against the Thenn, finally redeemed himself as a worthy fighter - the anchor was amazing - ygrittes death was done well, not too much time wasted on it what i disliked about the ep - - ofcourse no stannis - too slow progression of story - no one actually giving Jon the wall, but that he took it himself (mixed feelings about this though cuz in a way, its more mature of Jon to take command himself rather than wait for someone to force it upon him) - not enough giant/mammoth action - tormund captured a bit too easily IMO what i thought was very weird about the ep - - sams sudden maturity - slynt hiding in same cellar with Gilly - gillys baby not crying at all throughout the whole way from moles town to the wall - less than 10 seconds devoted to Ghost - why Thorne did not make an appearance after the fighting was done and before Jon decided to go speak to mance on his own all in all, i would give the ep a 6.5 or 7 out of 10 if im being very generous

Shoud have known too hopeful expecting stannis!! [emoji24]

including being responsible for HODOR.......

anyone else picture Benioff's face instead of Oberyn's? :lol:

i see where your coming from...definitely agree would be too weird to see Tywin on the shitter...but the point of it was that was a humiliating death, dead whore on the bed on top of the fact that it was his own son killing him....so im okay with some change, but not too drastic...perhaps still in the bathroom, but washing hands or something... after the crossbow, he might land on the shitter or something...or skip that part, long as he dies in the bathroom with Shae dead on the bed and Tyrion kills him, i'm okay with it...if dagger/sword instead of crossbow, or just dead body drops on the bathroom floor...

:agree: :agree: would just add temperamental and paranoid in addition to underprepared...

agreed...i've said this myself (i think)....max that will happen ending of this season is Stannis offering Jon Winterfell by legitimizing him...rest will be handling the wildlings

im assuming you are talking about the guy Ramsay flayed? its the same all the time...general people dont bat an eye when millions of african kids starve to death, but 370 people disappear on a plane and they lose their minds for months....people only care about the people they like or are interested in...no tears shed over an unnamed, unknown person even if they were skinned alive :(

tell your daughter she's a genius! now that you've said this, 100% agree!!

thanks for the link...iv seen some links related to this, never really thought about it...will check it out more :cheers:

god damn! just watched the fight again! so fast paced! so much room to maneuver! hound vs. berric was nothing be comparison! ned vs. Jaime was similar area, still smaller but about a third of the length! whoever didnt like it...guys u really gottta rewatch it....the mountain was constantly charging at him like a raging bull! oberyn kept attacking and retreating, looking for a weak spot...while he might have had time in the beginning to let the mountain know who he was and why he was there...soon as oberyn clearly states that he wants Gregors confession, gregor charges at him and doesnt stop charging! Gregor knocked him down twice! broke one of his spears! Oberyn stopped playing around after that, thats why he went for kill move to bring him down...after Gregor was down...oberyn continued to get his confession the entire fight, from Gregor's first swing to hearing Oberyns skull crushing is 3mins and 6secs... i will grant you that there might have been one to many camera angles for the fight, showing everyones reaction so frequently was unnecessary and yes the Mountains helmet was stupid...but it doesnt bother me, IMO was an amaaazing fight sequence and truly perfect to the books...

just rewatched Beetle scene...i cant claim to understand or comprehend all of the subtext, but definitely wasnt useless...i can bet there will some future significance to it...

UnHound too??

she started laughing like a maniac before looking at him...

i cant tell if Aryas laughing at the Hound or how fucked her situation is AGAIN..

who ever suggested many pages ago bout two foreshadowing events -- hound saying its a flea bite, mirroring drogo saying his wound was a mosquito bite...foreshadowing hounds death for sure and LF saying bout people dying at thier tables = Rob& Joffery, in bed = Jon Arryn & Robert Baratheon, over chamber pots = Big Daddy Tywin... i agree with you completely

What if the point of Grey Worm and Missandei is that Missandei is going to be killed and Grey Worm will lose his shit...and then something awesome happens.... Too optimistic?

with all the extra time they have, they could show Balon's death onscreen...brief glimpse of Faceless man maybe or Euron? Would be nice build up for Crow's eye and rest of Greyjoys next season

see...when they added scenes for Tywin and Arya i wasnt happy at first cuz of your exact point....but it turned out okay...since then i've tried to keep a more open mind to additional stories/plots...but Grey Worm and Messandi...they are both soooo minor characters, time devoted to them just rubs me the wrong way... something that took me a loooong time to get over was the missing scenes from the House of the Undying...i still haven't completely...but if something so amazing had to be cut, it annoys me to see these now...i'd rather have some flash backs or some added stuff with important characters what was it Lady Olenna said...what happens when the decrepit bumps against the non-existent...are they trying to answer that question? not implying messandi is decrepit though in any way ;)

:grouphug: :grouphug:

did anyone else think at the Theon/Moat Cailin scene that they were about to announce Balon Greyjoy died? duno why, but i remember feeling that the reveal was imminent!

I was soooo glad they did it like the books and not "being chopped in half" as soooo many seemed soooooooooo sure off....or like all the people who were predicting that Oberyn would live....that i didnt even mind the gore because i was jumping up and down clapping and cheering.... only when it got to the end credits did i actually realize that shit....No more Predo Pascal :frown5: definitely gonna be re-watching

I noticed someone already replying to you, it was a good answer... when i watched the episode, i didnt get that part, what i got was the show setting the stage for Tyrion's obsessive behavior "where do whores go?"....nothing else in the show so far would have explained as nicely about why he keeps repeating that...ofcourse he loved Tysha and ofcourse he sort of had a breakdown after discovering the truth and it makes absolute sense that he would go searching for her...but the way he keeps repeating it in the books, almost like a mantra... this scene to me shows how he's always had an obsessive personality, where he feels he is smarter than most and if he doesn't know the answer to something it drives him crazy and he keeps obsessing until he gets the answer... also the fact that he really had no idea how Oberyn would do in the fight, it was possibly his last conversation...and he chose to bring up this of all topics, asking Jaime at the very end for an answer to that question, before possibly going off to his depth...see to me that just shows that even something so insignificant as beetle crushing, its still important for him to know the answer before he dies.... so when it comes to "where do whores go", with all the added emotions, he's not going to rest till he knows... that was just my take on the importance of that scene... :cheers: