AGOT Reread- Sansa

[The Adequate Jon]

This is a great chapter. I love the way so many of the participants in the tournament become so important later in the books. Sansa and Jeyne are sure that someday the little known knights, Balon Swann, Bryce Caron, Andar Royce, Robar Royce, the Redwine Twins, Patrik Mallister, and six Freys, will be famous. Only Swann has lived up to their wishes so far. Half of them are dead.

Some of the matchups in the joust may be foreshadowing:

-Jory loses to Lothor Brune - Ned's man beaten by Littlefinger's man - and LF later causes Ned's downfall.

-Jaime beats Barristan and later takes over the Lord Commander position from him.

-Thoros beats Beric and ironically later restores his life several times.

-Robar Royce beats Lothor Brune - Bronze Yohn's son defeating LF's man - Maybe there's hope for Bronze Yohn to defeat LF in the future.

-Loras beats Robar Royce and later kills him for not protecting Renly.

-Loras beats three members of the KG and later becomes a member of the KG.

-The Hound beats Renly - Lannister's man beats Robert's man - later Lannisters take down Robert.

Timeline:

Sansa remembers Bronze Yohn visiting Winterfell two years earlier, presumably when he was escorting Ser Waymar to the Wall. This moves the Prologue chapter a few months earlier than I first thought.

[Barba]

Kinda late, but I've just managed to read it

Sansa and Jeyne are sure that someday the little known knights, Balon Swann, Bryce Caron, Andar Royce, Robar Royce, the Redwine Twins, Patrik Mallister, and six Freys, will be famous. Only Swann has lived up to their wishes so far. Half of them are dead.

Who is Dead. Balon is alive, Caron too (I think, not sure), Andar too, Redwines too, Patrick too (I think he was released after Mallisters swore to king Tommen after Red wedding). Of Freys I don't know if any of them Died. So, I think that this men will be important later. Only Robar died (and he was important).

-Thoros beats Beric and ironically later restores his life several times.

Just to add that now Thoros is alive and Beric is dead.

-Loras beats three members of the KG and later becomes a member of the KG.

He kills 2 Renly's KG after

Couple of things to add.

Hedge knight killed Beric's horse. In novel: The hedge knight, Aerion did the same thing. I wonder weather we will meeet this Hedge knight later

She could not hate Joffrey tonight. He was too beautiful to hate

I hate Sansa because this kind of lines

[The Adequate Jon]

Who is Dead. Balon is alive, Caron too (I think, not sure), Andar too, Redwines too, Patrick too (I think he was released after Mallisters swore to king Tommen after Red wedding). Of Freys I don't know if any of them Died. So, I think that this men will be important later. Only Robar died (and he was important).

You're right. I don't remember what I was thinking when I wrote that.

[Barba]

Sansa (III)

Sansa and Jeyne Poole are chatting about Ned not sending the Knight of Flowers after Ser Gregor. Sansa tells Jeyne about Yoren coming before the throne asking for men to man the Wall. No one would volunteer, so Ned gave him his pick of the dungeons. We learn Alyn leads the 20 men from Winterfell in Lord Beric’s party. Arya comes in for breakfast, and her and Sansa begin to bicker, with Sansa getting hit by an orange which ruins her dress. Ned visits Sansa and Arya, telling them that they would be sent by ship back to Winterfell. Sansa gets upset, wanting to stay with Joffrey, her Prince Aemon. Ned agrees to send Syrio Forel with Arya, if the Braavosi would consent. When Sansa says she would give Joffrey children with beautiful gold hair, Ned realizes what it was that Jon Arryn had learned. Out of the mouths of babes…

[Maester Yobjascz]

It had taken me a couple of readings that this was the 'Eureka!' moment for Eddard... and at the same time, why oh why did he tell his daughters so early? Why not just wake them up the morning they were to leave and send them off? Send their belongings afterwards... Grrrr... several years and several rereads, and it still makes me frustrated.

[Barba]

Typicall sansa's behaviour:

- He should send Loras (because he is beautifull), her prince is the best in the world (because he is beautifull)...

- She says "Joff likes killing. Only animals, though" - Yeah, right. That is why he killed her father, and all those people with crossbow.

- "It's not fair to blame Joff for death of Jory. It would be like blaming her for something Arya did." - But it was OK to blame Arya for death of Lady. It wouldn't be fair to blame Queen Cersei. She's so beautifull

also there is line in this chapter: Everyone knew dreams were prophetic. Especially everyone on this forum

[The Adequate Jon]

Sansa (IV)

Introduced: Ser Mandon Moore* (Kingsguard of King Robert and later King Joffrey).

Sansa is locked within a room with Jeyne Poole who is crying hysterically. They hear bells tolling from the Great Sept of Baelor proclaiming the King’s death. Ser Boros Blount came for her on the third day and brought her before the Queen and small council. The Queen is angered when she finds out that Sansa was placed in a room with Jeyne Poole, and orders Ser Boros to bring Jeyne to a place Littlefinger designates as safe. Even Sansa is not blind enough to realize from this conversation that Vayon Poole is dead. The Queen tells Sansa that she and Joffrey love her, but then informs her that her father is a traitor. Sansa denies it, but eventually relents and agrees to write letters to her brothers, mother, aunt and grandfather that the Queen dictates. The letters are to substantiate Ned’s guilt and to request the recipients come to King’s Landing to bend the knee before Joffrey. We learn that Sansa had gone to the Queen several days before to tell her that her father intended to send her back home. Sansa writes the letters, and the Queen says that Sansa will marry Joffrey.

[The Adequate Jon]

More of that "Typical Sansa behavior".

She should know her father is not a traitor, yet she still wants to marry Joffrey and wants to please Cercei.

Cercei: Your father is a traitor, but Joffrey and I still love you.

Sansa: Joffrey loves me? Yay!

[Maester Yobjascz]

Yeah... I think there's plenty of Sansa hate as a result of this chapter. On the other hand, you can't rise if you're already at the top. Sansa's naive and shallow personality make her that much more interesting as she begins to progress to Sandor's little bird, Baelish's protege,and, hopefully, a mover-and-shaker in the Game of Thrones.

[Barba]

Sansa dreams about being in gold, and is married to Joff. Now, If you (as I do) think that all dreams in books are prophetic, what do you think this dream means.

Personally, I think she missinterpreted her dream, and she didn't see Joff, or maybe sha didn't see that she was a queen at all. But she did saw people bowing to her. Could it be that dream shows something like her and Harry, and some people bowing to them.

[Nathan Stinson]

That would be an intriguing possibility.

and I don't remember, did Sansa ever discover that its ALL HER FAULT that her father got axed for blabbing to Cersei?

if she didn't I hope she does

never have liked her character, spoiled brat :b

[A wilding]

and I don't remember, did Sansa ever discover that its ALL HER FAULT that her father got axed for blabbing to Cersei?

Except of course that it wasn't.

But to answer the idea behind the question: in her first ACoK chapter she thinks something along the lines of "She had loved and trusted Joffrey and Cersei with all her heart, and they had repaid her with her father's head. She would never make that mistake again."

[sandorshound]

It is all to easy to feel animosity at Sansa for her immaturity in this chapter. I had to stop and think...she is just a child... For some reason, we want to hold her to the same standards that we would expect from an adult (and some adults would not handle this situation any better). The reread of Sansa's POV chapters were made much easier by knowing how much she would evolve from the easily swayed 'princess' to the person she would become in AFfC.

[The Adequate Jon]

Sansa (V)

Introduced: Lord Gyles Rosby (old lord of Rosby, later Lord Treasurer [Cersei's title for Master of Coin] to King Tommen);

Ser Dontos Hollard* (the Red, a drunk later made a fool; last member of House Hollard which was attainted for their role in the Defiance of Duskendale).

First Mentioned: Prince Lewyn Martell* (of Dorne, Kingsguard to King Aerys II and King Jaeherys II, slain at the Trident by Ser Lyn Corbray; uncle of Prince Doran, Elia and Oberyn).

Sansa attends King Joffrey’s first court session, where the herald reads off the names of all the lords and knights who must bend the knee to Joff, most of which are of course not present and don’t intend to give fealty. Sansa is shunned by others who believe her father a traitor to the crown. Cersei and Janos Slynt are named to the King’s council, and Slynt is raised to lord and granted Harrenhal as his castle. Next, Cersei has Ser Barristan removed from the Kingsguard, but the knight, before leaving the hall, vows he can still cut down the five Kingsguard present, as they don’t even deserve to wear the white cloaks. Ser Jaime is named Lord Commander, and the Hound is given a position with the Kingsguard, the first of the renowned white swords to be elevated to the position even though he is not a knight. Sansa comes forward to beg leniency for her father, and Cersei says that if Ned admits his guilt and swears fealty he will be granted mercy.

[The Adequate Jon]

Cercei makes one of her first mistakes (that we know of) by letting Ser Barristan go. Tywin talks about it later. It was probably also a mistake to put Slynt on the Small Council. He should have been satisfied with Harrenhal, why give him more than he deserves? I guess this is a preview of her actions in AFFC where she surounds herself with people she thinks she can control.

[Maester Yobjascz]

I'm amused that, in later chapters in later books (I believe it was a Tyrion chapter in ACoK), Cersei explains what she did: Joffrey had wanted *someone* punished for Robert's death... and *Varys* suggested Barristan Selmy. Subtle spider.

[The Adequate Jon]

Sansa (VI)

Sansa is in despair in her room in Maegor’s Holdfast, reliving the beheading of her father. Eventually, Joffrey arrives telling her to get dressed and attend him. She resists, and he has the Hound get her out of bed. Sandor tells her to do as she’s bid, calls her child, and pushes her almost gently toward her wardrobe. Sansa pleads that she wants to go home, then tells Joff that she hates him. The King has Ser Meryn slap her, then leaves telling her to attend him later. The Hound tells her to save herself some pain and not resist him. Ser Meryn comes for her later, and she tells him that he is no true knight, but the Kingsguard does not care. Sansa attends the King in the throne room as he dispenses justice, every case with violence or death. Later, he brings her to the wall over the gatehouse where the traitors’ heads are mounted on spikes. Joff forces her to look at her father’s head and Septa Mordane’s. Joff tells her that Robb defeated his uncle Jaime by treachery, and promises her Robb’s head as a gift. When Sansa says that maybe Robb will give her Joff’s head, the King has Ser Meryn beat her again. As Sansa is lying on her hands and knees she contemplates rushing Joffrey and knocking him off the gatehouse wall to his death. But the Hound interposes himself between her and Joff, and gently wipes the blood off her mouth.

[The Adequate Jon]

This is where I start liking Sansa. She finally sees Joff and Cercei for who they are. I love it when she tells Ser Meryn "You are no true knight." In her mind, it's one of the biggest insults she can give, but Meryn doesn't care at all.

[Barba]

Thoughts on Sansa V

Sickly Lord Gyles covered his face at her approach and feigned a fit of coughing, and when funny drunken Ser Dontos started to hail her, Ser Balon Swann whispered in his ear and he turned away.

...

A moment later Lord Baelish entered through the tall doors in the rear, smiling. He chatted amiably with Ser Balon and Ser Dontos as he made his way to the front.

Is this hint in some way that Ser Balon Swann is working for LF. We do know that Dontos was, and it always seamed to me strange how Balon (and Jalabhar Xho) is always around, but never does anything. I think that Martin has a role for them in the future, especially after FFC, where Balon joined KG.

Lord Varys spoke, gentler than the others. “We are not unmindful of your service, good ser. Lord Tywin Lannister has generously agreed to grant you a handsome tract of land north of Lannisport, beside the sea, with gold and men sufficient to build you a stout keep, and servants to see to your every need.â€

I think that Varys just wanted to make Selmy Mad. He knew Selmy would never accept it and (if you count in that Selmy hates Varys) he even said it gently. Later, after selmy left, we have:

“He called me boy,†Joffrey said peevishly, sounding younger than his years. “He talked about my uncle Stannis too.â€

“Idle talk,†said Varys the eunuch. “Without meaning . . . â€

Varys trieing to calm everyone else to let Selmy go. He kinda fails, but Selmy escapes, so everything goes as planned again.

Sansa VI

Frog-faced Lord Slynt sat at the end of the council table wearing a black velvet doublet and a shiny cloth-of-gold cape, nodding with approval every time the king pronounced a sentence. Sansa stared hard at his ugly face, remembering how he had thrown down her father for Ser Ilyn to behead, wishing she could hurt him, wishing that some hero would throw him down and cut off his head.

This kinda already hapened. Imp did it (in a way) when he sent Slynt on the wall. But, who knows. It could be foreshadow of Slynt's fate on the wall. Maybe Jon will be the hero who will kill him. Or Dolorous Edd. I would prefer him.

[Brother Wolf]

I just finished my first re-read of AGOT, and I expected to have more sympathy for Sansa this time (since I had the benefit this time of knowing what happens for the next 3 books), but I found myself irked at her all over again. Of course, as a guy in his mid-30s, it's very hard for me to put myself in the mindframe of a 13 year old girl.

The things that struck me about the Sansa chapters this time round was how creepy LF was from the first time he met Sansa, and how gentle (relatively speaking) the Hound was towards her from his first interaction with her.