GrnEyedDvl Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Im not sure which quote you are talking about. Page 794 of AGoT has Marq Piper talking about joining Renly because he already has 5 of the 7 great houses, " Six if the Arryns bestir themselves. Six, against the Rock!" Can you give me an idea of what he said and I will find it. I know I didnt quote anything from that part of the series in the quotes I did although I almost included the part of the Greatjons speech when he proclaimed Robb the King in the North. Chewie said he had some quotes too but I hvent seen them and have no idea what his are. I am sure some are the same as mine and some arent. He doesnt send Catelyn until the first part of the next book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Yobjascz Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I like the idea of emphasizing the political aspects of the game by making the unit replacement process more realistic (i.e. slower)... but will the political AI hold up under the strain and increased focus? Or will we be instead emphasizing a weak point in the game model? On a separate note... you bastards finally made me break down and buy the game. Maybe after this weekend I'll be able to provide some better input. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewietobbacca Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 I've got 125+ quotes in already, most taken from the previous mod thread w/ a list of suggestions from people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Yobjascz Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 On the Ashford issue, I'd go with making it a town. Apparently towns have walls... so it would effectively encompass both feature sets... So... where do things stand now? Is there more to be done on the city/castle designations, or is this effectively done for now (with the ability to update a few as necessary later)? What else can we start working on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 Names. We need a list of names for each faction. First and surnames. For example, take the Stark list: First; Male: Eddard Benjen Jon Robb Rickon Roose Jojen Jeor etc Female: Sansa Ayra Catelyn Dacey Maege etc Last: Stark Bolton Karstark Reed Cassel Manderly Flint Dustin etc As many as possible for each fation. Any questions? Edit: I said by faction, but it will go by region. Any areas included in the Stark faction will have to be put into the Stark name roster. So all bannerhouses, their family, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Yobjascz Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 And you're not looking for any sort of organization within each region? So... you just need all first names associated with the North, and all last names associated with the North, regardless of how the first and last names associate with each other? ... wierd. I'm assuming that this has to do with a randomly generating first and last names by region? If this is the case, then you'd want to include all the historical first and last names as well... 'cause there's lots of great names in the historical record (for example, there's a list of historical Starks here...notice the Theon Stark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 Yes. For rebels who pop up, adoptions, marriages, etc. Anything that still exists. Don't use extinct names. So for Lannister, don't include Tarbeck or Reyne. For Joff, don't include Darklyn, but include Darke, etc. I expect there to be a massive list of first names, and small lists of last names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Yobjascz Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Having poked around a bit, Tower of the Hand contains *lots* of names... most of the families have their family tree listed, and many have a listing of the historical members of the family that aren't in the tree. So, lots of names available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falagar Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Bastard-names (Sand, Snow, etc) should be included somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Yobjascz Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I would stick to first names for random characters... and use bastard last names (or no last names at all). The reason being that we already know the names of the characters in the major houses. There may be some second sons or such that we're not familiar with, but that's only in the more minor families. I guess my concern is that we'd be playing the game, and some random character shows up with the last name 'Stark', or 'Lannister'. It'd break the continuity, 'cause we know the Starks and Lannisters. Same goes for the Boltons. Aside from Roose and his bastard Ramsay, there aren't any Boltons about. However, a Ser Theon, Ser Tyrion, or the like might be more acceptable. Another possibility for last names is a collection of epithets or styles... like "of White Harbor" or "the Tall". Location names could be done regionally, to give full random names like "Maribald of the Saltpans", or "Tyrek of Ashemark". Keeps the ASOIAF feel, but without introducing new figures into well-known houses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 We have to include the last names of the major houses. All characters (generals and family members, too!) draw from this pool. So if we don't include "Stark" none of the Starks would have the surname Stark... Captains only ever have first names, unless you adopt them, then a last name is added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Yobjascz Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Ahhh... I see how the mechanic works now... Ok. I will compile a list of names when I next get the chance. Edited to remove idiocy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 If you look at my example, females were included, but seperate from the males. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Yobjascz Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Pulled from Tower of the Hand Iron Islands First - Male Quellon Balon Harlon Quenton Donel Rodrik Maron Theon Euron Victarion Urrigon Aeron Robin Dagon Vickon Theomore Sigfryd Boremund Dykk Gevin Harras Hotho Ralf Sargon Wex Harren Tristifer Symond Bennarion Germund Sawane Lucimore Aladale Waldon Gormond Gorold Gran Greydon Norne Baelor Beron Dunstan Denys Donnel Dale Hilar Roryn Gylbert Gyles Triston Ygon Yohn Ralf Terrence Jon Steffarion First - Female Asha Alannys Gwynesse Gwin Gysella Meldred Sigfry Last Greyjoy Harlaw Stonehouse Merlyn Sunderly Botley Wynch Goodbrother Blacktyde Drumm Farwynd Kenning Myre Orkwood Sparr Stonetree Tawney Volmark *Pyke* - Bastard Name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Yobjascz Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Pulled from Tower of the Hand The North First - Male Roose Domeric Ramsay Martyn Jory Rodrik Medger Cley Kyle William Byam Danny Galbart Gawen Robett Ethan Ronnel Halys Larence Daryn Brandon Beren Arnolf Rickard Harrion Eddard Torrhen Alys Torren Donnel Mallador Ondrew Robett Marlon Wyman Wylis Wendel Wynafryd Bowen Hallis Jeor Jorah Owen Vayon Howland Jojen Mark Roger Edwyle Benjen Jon Robb Rickon Artos Barth Beron Cregan Donnor Dorren Edderion Edrick Edwyn Eyron Jonnel Jonos Karlon Osric Rodwell Theon Walton William Harwood Ronnel Wynton Helman Benfred Leobald Beren Mors Hother Hugo Theo First - Female Beth Jonelle Erena Berena Sybelle Wylla Donella Maege Dacey Alysane Lyra Jorelle Lyanna Jeyne Meera Barbrey Bethany Sansa Arya Eddara Last Bolton Cassel Cerwyn Condon Dustin Flint Glover Harclay Hornwood Karstark Knott Liddle Locke Magnar Manderly Marsh Mollen Mormont Norrey Overton Poole Reed Ryswell Stark Stout Tallhart Umber Wull *Snow* - Bastard Name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewietobbacca Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Great work with the names, I'll get those in as soon as I get some time to. The updated settlement list: The Night's Watch The Shadow Tower Castle Castle Black Castle Eastwatch by the Sea Castle Mole's Town Village The Wildlings Thenn Village The Frozen Shore Village Hardhome Town The Starks The Dreadfort Fortress/M Karhold Castle Winterfell Fortress/E Deepwood Motte Motte & Bailey White Harbor City Torrhen's Square Castle Barrowton Town Moat Cailin Castle Greywater Watch Wooden Castle Ramsgate Wooden Castle Oldcastle Castle Flint's Finger Motte & Bailey Widow's Watch Castle Last Hearth Wooden Castle Hornwood Wooden Castle Bear Island Motte & Bailey The Rills Town The Greyjoys Pebbleton Town Hammerhorn Castle Saltcliffe Town Pyke Fortress/E Blacktyde Town Orkmont Town Ten Towers Castle Old Wyk Town The Tullys The Twins Castle The Twins Castle Seagard Castle Harrenhal Citadel Pinkmaiden Wooden Castle Fairmarket Town Acorn Hall Wooden Castle Maidenpool Large Town Harroway Town Saltpans Town Darry Castle Wayfarer's Rest Motte & Bailey Stone Hedge Motte & Bailey Raventree Hill Wooden Castle Stoney Sept Large Town Riverrun Fortress/M The Lannisters Casterly Rock Citadel Lannisport Large City Crakehall Castle Kayce Town Faircastle Wooden Castle Golden Tooth Castle Banefort Wooden Castle Silverhill Castle Ashemark Castle Feastfires Motte & Bailey The Crag Castle Sarsfield Wooden Castle Hornvale Castle Deep Den Castle Cornfield Wooden Castle Renly Baratheon Griffin's Roost Castle Evenfall Hall Castle Storm's End Citadel Bronzegate Castle Stonehelm Castle Rainhouse Castle Blackhaven Wooden Castle Felwood Wooden Castle Nightsong Castle Mistwood Wooden Castle Greenstone Castle The Martells Sunspear Fortress/E The Tor Castle Ghost Hill Motte & Bailey Salt Shore Town Lemonwood Wooden Castle Godsgrace Motte & Bailey Wyl Motte & Bailey Yronwood Castle Sandstone Castle Starfall Castle Hellholt Wooden Castle Skyreach Castle Vaith Wooden Castle Blackmont Castle Planky Town Town Stannis Baratheon Driftmark Castle Claw Isle Castle Dragonstone Citadel Sharp Point Castle Sweetport Sound Town Joffrey Baratheon Antlers Wooden Castle Stonedance Castle King's Landing Huge City/Unique Rosby Castle Duskendale Large Town Rook's Rest Castle The Arryns The Eyrie Castle Gates of the Moon Castle Heart's Home Castle Runestone Castle Gulltown City Ironoaks Castle Redfort Castle Coldwater's Burn Motte & Bailey Strongsong Castle Old Anchor Motte & Bailey Longbow Hall Wooden Castle Wickenden Wooden Castle The Bloody Gate Castle The Tyrells Highgarden Fortress/M Old Oak Wooden Castle Oldtown Huge City Uplands Wooden Castle The Arbor Large Town Southshield Wooden Castle Three Towers Castle Ashford Town Goldengrove Castle Tumbleton Town Bitterbridge Wooden Castle Grassy Vale Castle Cider Hall Castle Longtable Wooden Castle Honeyholt Wooden Castle Horn Hill Castle Bandallon Motte & Bailey Coldmoat Castle Brightwater Keep Castle Rebels Craster's Keep Motte & Bailey Fist of the First Men Motte & Bailey Kinghouse Motte & Bailey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewietobbacca Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 And thus our settlement list is done. The next changes to be done to settlement types will be due to balance issues and/or inaccuracies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewietobbacca Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Here's a list of the minimum population, maximum population, and population required to upgrade to next level for each of the settlement types in VANILLA: village base="400" upgrade="400" min="400" max="1500" town base="400" upgrade="2000" min="400" max="3500" large_town base="2000" upgrade="6000" min="400" max="9000" city base="6000" upgrade="12000" min="400" max="18000" large_city base="12000" upgrade="24000" min="400" max="36000" huge_city base="24000" min="400" max="72000" motte_and_bailey base="400" upgrade="0" min="400" max="1500" wooden_castle base="400" upgrade="0" min="400" max="3500" castle base="1500" upgrade="4500" min="400" max="9000" fortress base="4500" upgrade="9000" min="400" max="13500" citadel base="9000" upgrade="18000" min="400" max="18000" Now for ASOIAF: village base="400" upgrade="550" min="400" max="1500" town base="550" upgrade="3000" min="550" max="3500" large_town base="3000" upgrade="15000" min="1000" max="15000" city base="15000" upgrade="40000" min="2500" max="18000" large_city base="40000" upgrade="80000" min="4000" max="70000" huge_city base="80000" min="6000" max="144000" motte_and_bailey base="400" upgrade="3000" min="400" max="4500" wooden_castle base="3000" upgrade="6000" min="1000" max="7500" castle base="6000" upgrade="14500" min="2000" max="10000" fortress base="14500" upgrade="40000" min="4000" max="25000" citadel base="40000" upgrade="180000" min="5000" max="78000" As you can see, Fortress and Citadel as well as Huge City can never be reached in game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 Neither can large city, with those numbers. Max city pop is 18k. Req. to upgrade to large city is 40k.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewietobbacca Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Neither can large city, with those numbers. Max city pop is 18k. Req. to upgrade to large city is 40k.... Yeah forgot to edit that in here- its actualy 60,000 Okay so here is how the map status stands: -All prefixes/descriptions such as "Stark Castle" are in game -Almost all preset titles for Faction Leader and Heir are in game (such as Lord Commander Mormont, Lord Tywin, etc.) -Preliminary settlement levels are in game as well as population limiters for huge city, citadel, and fortress -Over 125 quotes -All 11 playable factions + wildlings are in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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