Craving Peaches Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 2 hours ago, By Odin's Beard said: So I started looking for other "Manderly" words There is also mandatum, mandate. Mandate was/is a type of contract where the mandator asks you to do something. If you start carrying the task out, you become obliged to finish it. You are not paid for the task, but it became customary in Rome for the mandator to give a sum of money, the honorarium, when the contract was finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fun Guy from Yuggoth Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 20 hours ago, Craving Peaches said: There is also mandatum, mandate. Mandate was/is a type of contract where the mandator asks you to do something. If you start carrying the task out, you become obliged to finish it. You are not paid for the task, but it became customary in Rome for the mandator to give a sum of money, the honorarium, when the contract was finished. I almost added that. I forgot to check Greek, mandalos means "latch, bolt, bar" and mantalono means "to lock up" --which fits the dungeon / daingean theme in White Harbor. [also in Star Wars the Mandalorians are bounty hunters that catch people and lock them up] and And recall that in Valinor the souls of the dead are imprisoned in Mandos, and maendo means "sepulchre" in Welsh and now mandalos means "imprisoned" and in English meander means "river" and "maze" and "circuitous journey" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fun Guy from Yuggoth Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 While browsing the dictionaries I have found several words related to the Mines of Moria from Lord of the Rings. morior means "death" in Latin morio means "monster, deformed person" and "errant fool" in Latin moreea means "stupidity, foolishness" in Greek meera means "fate, destiny" in Greek me'arah means "cave" in Hebrew me'erah means "curse" in Hebrew muradh means "entombment, destroying, walling in" in Gaelic moraide means "a great hill" in Gaelic moraidhe means "great, grand, stately, noble, proud" and Moria was the greatest dwarven achievement. mur means "castle, wall, fortification, stronghold" and "abundance" and the usage notes mention "a great mass of flame" and the Dwarves' stronghold, they delved too deep to get jewels and mithril and awoke a great mass of flame marw means "death" in Welsh marwor means "burning cinders, embers" in Welsh --and the Balrog is a demon made of flame [Duryn means "steel" and "nose, beak" in Welsh, and Dwarves have big noses] mawr means "great, large" in Welsh mwr means "to fall" and mer means "to drop of, to part" --Gandalf falls from the Bridge of Khazad-dum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fun Guy from Yuggoth Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 Found some more clues that Ashara Dayne is the Fisherman's Daughter and sailed the boat for Ned, and then stayed at the Wolf's Den. Hwyliau / hwylio / hwyliwr [~Wylla] means "sailor, one who sails, one would sets a course" in Welsh luamaire [~Lemore] means "pilot, navigator, steersman" in Gaelic aesc means "boat" in Anglo-Saxon iaschaire [~Ashara] means "fisherman" in Gaelic and seerah dayeeg means "fishing boat" in Hebrew [Dagon means "fish" in Hebrew and dagan means "dawn" in Old Norse] And I remembered what George said about Ashara's whereabouts during Robert's Rebellion: Quote As to your speculations about Catelyn and Ashara Dayne... sigh... needless to say, All Will Be Revealed in Good Time. I will give you this much, however; Ashara Dayne was not nailed to the floor in Starfall, as some of the fans who write me seem to assume. They have horses in Dorne too, you know. And boats (though not many of their own). As a matter of fact (a tiny tidbit from SOS), she was one of Princess Elia's lady companions in King's Landing, in the first few years after Elia married Rhaegar. The rest I will save for the books. aseerah / asar / asir means "prisoner, inmate, captive" and "arrested" (in Arabic as well as Hebrew) dan / deen means "sentenced, condemned" and "judgement, law" And when asked where Ashara was during the war, he spontaneously bring up the idea of her being imprisoned and nailed to the floor (but not at Starfall, at the Wolf's Den). And then brings up the possibility of her traveling on a boat. I think he was dropping clues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GZ Bloodraven Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 18 hours ago, Fun Guy from Yuggoth said: Found some more clues that Ashara Dayne is the Fisherman's Daughter and sailed the boat for Ned, and then stayed at the Wolf's Den. The Dayne patriarch isn't a fisherman who died in the Vale though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fun Guy from Yuggoth Posted March 23, 2023 Author Share Posted March 23, 2023 On 3/22/2023 at 12:09 AM, Fun Guy from Yuggoth said: Hwyliau / hwylio / hwyliwr [~Wylla] means "sailor, one who sails, one would sets a course" in Welsh luamaire [~Lemore] means "pilot, navigator, steersman" in Gaelic Was just browsing the Pughe's Welsh Dictionary and noticed that yshwylio [Ash + Wylla] means to "set a course" and Ysilla is helping pilot the Shy Maid. And is directly below Yshiliad [Ysilla] which means "to spawn/ frogspawn" and "to issue" and grifft / Egrifft means "frogspawn" And on the last page of Pughe's yswilio means "shy" and Ysilla and Lemore/Ashara are on the Shy Maid, and is right above yswyr which means "dawn" and yshwyth "aches" And in Old English ysle / ysela means "ashes" and is right below y's "ice" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fun Guy from Yuggoth Posted March 23, 2023 Author Share Posted March 23, 2023 I have previously posted about "the Jon Con" --to pass of Griff as a Targ--to con someone. Just like with John the Fiddler in the Dunk and Egg stories, one of the usages of "fiddle" is "to swindle" and he was a false Targ. I just realized that "grift" means "to swindle" also. So Griff being a Targ is another swindle. and Grift means "graft" and to graft something is to transplant one part of a tree to another. And their grift is to graft Griff on to the Targ family tree. So I looked up "griff" words in the Oxford English Dictionary One meaning of Griffon is "a young inexperienced man, a greenhorn" griff / grift means "chasm" and aigean means "abyss" in Gaelic griffon is synonymous with "dragon" in the sense of "a watchful guardian" griff means "claw" griff means "a mulatto with 3/4 black blood" [because Griff is a Blackfyre?] griffon means "lord" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimlot Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 On 11/5/2022 at 2:13 AM, AlaskanSandman said: I believe this is due to Brienne having to kill Daenerys to bring her plot full circle with both her ancestor Duncan who likely killed Egg to save Rhaegar, and Jamie, who killed Aerys to save K.L. Its pretty hard coded in her plot imo. Wow.. I find the idea very interesting! On 11/5/2022 at 2:13 AM, AlaskanSandman said: Ned thinks of failed promises only after Varys informs him its too late to stop the assassination attempt on Dany. It doesn't seem like Jon is ever in any threat through out Ned's life, especially after Robert is dead, the only person who maybe would have killed Jon. If he is really the child of Lyanna and Rhaegar, which, I don't think Rhaegar is his father at all, but rather the father of Dany Rhaegar and Ashara sound like very suitable parents to Daenerys. We have constant Rhaegar reminders in Dany's chapters and Dayne/star symbolism is very heavy in the last Dany's chapters of GoT. I like all the linguistic symbolism in the thread that ties Ned to Ashara and Jon, but I cannot keep R + A = D out of my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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