Alden Rothack Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, astarkchoice said: Its SUCH an interesting period for the timeline too. At that exact point it seems robb will be king of the north tied to a frey. Stannis will seemingly demolish the lannisters weakening the south. Roose himself lost his little gamble at the fork but preserved his own men, has just secured a wife and alliance to the freys as well as a nice big cash boost for his house! ramsay is massing troops to begin pushing for some of the hornwood lands now the 2 male lords are dead and he may be reaching out to enact his lil scheme to take harrenhall risk free! All in all hes not planing to betray robb bit he is majing smart moves to preserve and increase his houses power , status + wealth! Even ramsay taking it too far with lady hornwood(under orders or not) doesnt affect him that much now he has a fresh young wife and has promised robb hel take harrenhall to make up for ramsays crimes. Yes, in fact having a decent amount of silver immediately as opposed to gold later plays into his plans to bribe various people at harrelhall. Rose was doing really well until the failure of the blackwater lost the north the chance to win their fight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 11 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said: Yes, in fact having a decent amount of silver immediately as opposed to gold later plays into his plans to bribe various people at harrelhall. Rose was doing really well until the failure of the blackwater lost the north the chance to win their fight Yep but then he gets 3 fluke.bits of 'good luck' (well for a nonloyalty sociopath) walder has reached out to him with some.nice betrayal plans to make him warden of the north and ally to lannister-tyrells instead of face inevitable defeat!! to his shock he gets letter from ramsay whos at the dreadfort anf still alive!!! He can not only plan the redwedding with tywin and walder but his son can backstab and eliminate a lot of pro stark forces and leadership in one sweep !!!! 3rd bit of luck balon like a moron isnt following up with anything significant on the north despite the whole west coast open and eady to take for him!!!! Roose can rally the lukewarm northerners to his rule around an anti ironborn campaign on the remnants! Theres virtualy nothing left to rally any stark loyalisism around so he can focus it outward as tyrants usualy do!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alden Rothack Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 minutes ago, astarkchoice said: Yep but then he gets 3 fluke.bits of 'good luck' (well for a nonloyalty sociopath) walder has reached out to him with some.nice betrayal plans to make him warden of the north and ally to lannister-tyrells instead of face inevitable defeat!! to his shock he gets letter from ramsay whos at the dreadfort anf still alive!!! He can not only plan the redwedding with tywin and walder but his son can backstab and eliminate a lot of pro stark forces and leadership in one sweep !!!! 3rd bit of luck balon like a moron isnt following up with anything significant on the north despite the whole west coast open and eady to take for him!!!! Roose can rally the lukewarm northerners to his rule around an anti ironborn campaign on the remnants! Theres virtualy nothing left to rally any stark loyalisism around so he can focus it outward as tyrants usualy do!! the fact that the ironborn deserve it helps honestly I have no idea why the north in particular hasn't killed off the ironborn by now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 8 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said: the fact that the ironborn deserve it helps honestly I have no idea why the north in particular hasn't killed off the ironborn by now No fleet and not great sailors basicaly Plus most ofnthe time the ironborn are traders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alden Rothack Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 3 minutes ago, astarkchoice said: No fleet and not great sailors basicaly Plus most ofnthe time the ironborn are traders They had one as recently as the war over the sisters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said: They had one as recently as the war over the sisters That was about 1000 years ago ..the worthless war its called ,plus that fleets 1000s of miles away Gettng back to roose and walder no sooner than hes arranged to back(or front) stab robb and its all going well for him when tywin is killed by tyrion making the lannisters a clusterfuck of an ally and ending the chance of the planned tyrion- sansa lannisters of winterfell house rising as his subordinate ally! And possibly too around that time stannis arriving and stirring trouble. Then He gets moat catlin back handily enough and possibly hears word of balons death as well as use of jeyne poole for his marriage to 'arya stark' plan..literaly allowing him to build a spinoff bolton of winterfell house, appease whatever stark loyalism is left and keep ramsay away from his new frey wifes kids in the dreadfort The mans luck is wayyy up.one min down the next and skyrockets up again!!! Edited February 16 by astarkchoice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alden Rothack Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, astarkchoice said: That was about 1000 years ago ..the worthless war its called ,plus that fleets 1000s of miles away Gettng back to roose and walder no sooner than hes arranged to back(or front) stab robb and its all going well for him when tywin is killed by tyrion making the lannisters a clusterfuck of an ally and ending the chance of the planned tyrion- sansa lannisters of winterfell house rising as his subordinate ally! And possibly too around that time stannis arriving and stirring trouble. Then He gets moat catlin back handily enough and possibly hears word of balons death as well as use of jeyne poole for his marriage to 'arya stark' plan..literaly allowing him to build a spinoff bolton of winterfell house, appease whatever stark loyalism is left and keep ramsay away from his new frey wifes kids in the dreadfort The mans luck is wayyy up.one min down the next and skyrockets up again!!! using jeyne as fake arya was a good idea until ramsey fucked it up by being ramsey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 13 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said: using jeyne as fake arya was a good idea until ramsey fucked it up by being ramsey Hes also fucking it up by assuming theon is broken utterly , pissing off lady dustin (literaly one of the keys to rooses control given she sways 2 houses not one) and his treatment of lady hornwood and the later news of boltons being awarded that land too has gotta annoy some of the more loyal hornwood men! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alden Rothack Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 minute ago, astarkchoice said: Hes also fucking it up by assuming theon is broken utterly , pissing off lady dustin (literaly one of the keys to rooses control given she sways 2 houses not one) and his treatment of lady hornwood and the later news of boltons being awarded that land too has gotta annoy some of the more loyal hornwood men! I'm confused by rose a lot, he does a number of very smart things but then he also does or allows a lot of very stupid shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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