smokeyvamp Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 I am new here so hello to everyone :)I am also fairly new to reading ASOIAF, I started about a month ago and now on feast for crows.There has been somthing thats been bugging me since the first book and the more I advance along the more it keeps bugging me and seeming right.Im sure its come up along the lines somewhere on this forum, I did look but couldnt find anything.Im convinced that Ned stark is not Jon Snows father.At first I couldnt explain why I thought this other then I just wanted to believe Ned didnt break his wedding vowles but now more crops up to make me think that Lyanna was actualy Jons mother and Ned took him on as his own to save his sisters honour.I refuse to except Ned could go to such stubburn extents about his honour and yet cheat on his wife.I think when Ned found his sister she was actualy dieing from giving birth and (this is where my theory will probably fall apart) that Rhaegar is is father, another reason to lie about his parantage.This is all probably leading to somthing greater for Jon down the line ie birth rite (after all wouldnt that make him heir to the throne rather then Daenerys)Anyway id be interested in what others thought and if this is all already discussed then forgive me im new :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elenya Westerling Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 I am new here so hello to everyone :)I am also fairly new to reading ASOIAF, I started about a month ago and now on feast for crows.There has been somthing thats been bugging me since the first book and the more I advance along the more it keeps bugging me and seeming right.Im sure its come up along the lines somewhere on this forum, I did look but couldnt find anything.Im convinced that Ned stark is not Jon Snows father.At first I couldnt explain why I thought this other then I just wanted to believe Ned didnt break his wedding vowles but now more crops up to make me think that Lyanna was actualy Jons mother and Ned took him on as his own to save his sisters honour.I refuse to except Ned could go to such stubburn extents about his honour and yet cheat on his wife.I think when Ned found his sister she was actualy dieing from giving birth and (this is where my theory will probably fall apart) that Rhaegar is is father, another reason to lie about his parantage.This is all probably leading to somthing greater for Jon down the line ie birth rite (after all wouldnt that make him heir to the throne rather then Daenerys)Anyway id be interested in what others thought and if this is all already discussed then forgive me im new :)Here is a thread to discuss this. A lot of people have the same opinion, but you might be better suited to speculate there :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeyvamp Posted August 14, 2011 Author Share Posted August 14, 2011 Here is a thread to discuss this. A lot of people have the same opinion, but you might be better suited to speculate there :)Thank you for that, ill pop over there and have a look :)Edit.. oh wow sorry about that clearly didnt look over there :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7V3N Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Yeah there are a lot of theories, and even more posts about this. I, personally, am a believer in Ned+Lyanna=Jon, as crazy as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kUzE_the_Suresword Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Yeah there are a lot of theories, and even more posts about this. I, personally, am a believer in Ned+Lyanna=Jon, as crazy as it is.What the what?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7V3N Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 What the what?!?Haha yeah. My main reason, among many reasons, is that it's the most shocking answer GRRM could throw at us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kUzE_the_Suresword Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Haha yeah. My main reason, among many reasons, is that it's the most shocking answer GRRM could throw at us.In the wierdest case of an oxymoron: that is both the most stupid and brilliant idea that is possible.I wouldn't put it past Grim's realm of possibility. Westeros is a strange place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don't_call_me_Ser Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 In the wierdest case of an oxymoron: that is both the most stupid and brilliant idea that is possible.I wouldn't put it past Grim's realm of possibility. Westeros is a strange place.No way would Ned sleep with his own sister. This isn't Alabama, THIS IS Winterfell!!!! (300 style) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7V3N Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 No way would Ned sleep with his own sister. This isn't Alabama, THIS IS Winterfell!!!! (300 style)Or that could be what GRRM wants you to think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonfish Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Yeah there are a lot of theories, and even more posts about this. I, personally, am a believer in Ned+Lyanna=Jon, as crazy as it is.It's highly unlikely that Ned is the father if Lyanna is the mother. George has said in a SSM that Jon was born about 8-9 months before Daenerys. Since she was born around 9 months after the Sack of King's Landing, that puts Jon's birth at somewhere around the Sack, and his conception at a few months into the year-long war. So for Ned to be the father, he'd have to have found Lyanna a few months into the war, sleep with her, then lose her again to Rhaegar. Seems like a very contrived scenario to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Waleed Malik Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 The most important thing that tells us that Jon is the son of Rhaegar aand Lyanna is the fact that there were 3 kingsguards at the tower of joy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karo Vyrga Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Then who is Wylla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmflavius Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Then who is WyllaSome nursemaid. A red herring, in all likelihood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needles Fury Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 I am new here so hello to everyone :)I am also fairly new to reading ASOIAF, I started about a month ago and now on feast for crows.There has been somthing thats been bugging me since the first book and the more I advance along the more it keeps bugging me and seeming right.Im sure its come up along the lines somewhere on this forum, I did look but couldnt find anything.Im convinced that Ned stark is not Jon Snows father.At first I couldnt explain why I thought this other then I just wanted to believe Ned didnt break his wedding vowles but now more crops up to make me think that Lyanna was actualy Jons mother and Ned took him on as his own to save his sisters honour.I refuse to except Ned could go to such stubburn extents about his honour and yet cheat on his wife.I think when Ned found his sister she was actualy dieing from giving birth and (this is where my theory will probably fall apart) that Rhaegar is is father, another reason to lie about his parantage.This is all probably leading to somthing greater for Jon down the line ie birth rite (after all wouldnt that make him heir to the throne rather then Daenerys)Anyway id be interested in what others thought and if this is all already discussed then forgive me im new :)Here is a link that gives a very detailed break down of who is possibly Jon's parents with quotes from the books...I'm in 100% In agreement with u...I personally feel Rhaegar & Lyanna are his parents an there are clues thru out the books to prove this an this site will help out tremendously....http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/mlarchives/faq/jon.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longlivestark Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 This thread is rather funny, book readers have been speculating about this for years from what I can see, while others are just coming into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearwife262 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Yeah there are a lot of theories, and even more posts about this. I, personally, am a believer in Ned+Lyanna=Jon, as crazy as it is.It wouldn't really surprise me, we've read about incest in the books, maybe even too much for my taste. Then again, it's GRRM... Therefore, your theory can easily turn out to be true :eek: I can only really, REALLY hope it's not! I like Ned's character too much!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Here is a link that gives a very detailed break down of who is possibly Jon's parents with quotes from the books...I'm in 100% In agreement with u...I personally feel Rhaegar & Lyanna are his parents an there are clues thru out the books to prove this an this site will help out tremendously.... http://www.angelfire...es/faq/jon.html Thanks for that link. The Rhaegar/Lyanna = Jon theory does seem compelling. I think it's clear from everyone's recollections (apart from Robert) that the relationship between Rhaegar and Lyanna was a consensual one. Rather than looking to prophecy, I think it's simpler to assume that Rhaegar was just infatuated with Lyanna (and she presumably with him) - particularly given that he had no real choice in his marriage to Elia of Dorne. I wonder if the two of them might have gone through a form of marriage. The first Aegon, after all, married both his sisters, so bigamy isn't out of the question, at least for Targaryens. In which case, Jon (if he is indeed their child) would have a very strong claim to the Iron Throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saerca Targaryen-Stark Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 I don't think the Iron Throne is Jon's destiny.. I believe that belongs to Daenerys. But I do believe that Jon's parents are Rhaegar and Lyanna. It makes perfect sense, because the prophecy states there must be three heads of the dragon. Daenerys is obviously one - the second head is revealed in ADWD - and that leaves Jon to be the third (unless, of course, another new character emerges later). I think that Ned concocted the story of Wylla to protect the secret of Jon's Targaryen bloodline, probably with Wylla's consent.. and she is the one who will reveal his true parents. After all, I think she may be the only one alive who knows the truth now that Ned is deceased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyito7 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 ok, maybe someone can refresh my memory...didn't someone tell ayra who jon's mother was? did they say wylla too? i thought it was someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmflavius Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 ok, maybe someone can refresh my memory...didn't someone tell ayra who jon's mother was? did they say wylla too? i thought it was someone else?This is generally discounted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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