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  1. So far as Daenerys knows, Ned was one of the power brokers of a regime that slaughtered Elia and her children, drove her and her brother into impoverished exile, and went on the rampage at Kings Landing. We know that that would be an unfair view of Ned, but we know more than she does.
  2. That's a fair point. I still think he and Dany would simply have been disposed of. It's like Remo says in Casino, when the mob bosses are discussing what to do about an associate who they all like, but who has potentially incriminating information: "Look, why take a chance? At least, that's the way I see it." When you have Viserys and Dany in your power, why take a chance?
  3. It came two episodes after Jon had told Sansa and his vassals he would have executed Lords Karstark and Umber for treason, had they been captured at Winterfell, when discussing their child heirs. Neither man had given Jon or Sansa fealty, so presumably, fighting the Starks and losing was deemed sufficient on its own to be treason (realistically, in a medieval world). Ramsay himself was put to death for treason (among other crimes), as were the Freys, and Baelish. Capital punishment is the norm for that offence. Dany actually offered clemency to the Tarlys, which they stupidly rejected.
  4. Dany had become (however unwillingly) a threat, once she became pregnant with a claimant to the Iron Throne. But, if Robert’s best friend (Ned) thinks Robert is willing to kill children (Jon, Myrcella, Tommen, Joffrey) who am I to disagree?
  5. I expect Viserys would not have survived very long at the Wall. Everyone would know he could be abused and tormented with tacit approval from Kings Landing.
  6. What’s bizarre (from her POV) is why she didn’t hole up in France. She has French nationality, and it’s very hard to be extradited from France to the US. She must have thought she was untouchable.
  7. There would be no order for their execution. They would just be quietly disposed of. As a baby, Dany could simply be suffocated, or dumped in the sea. Viserys would catch a “chill.” Everyone would know what had happened, but no one would talk about it openly.
  8. Spilling the beans might result in her falling out of a window or breaking her neck like Epstein.
  9. I think Monster will be consigned to the flames, either because he’s believed to be Mance’s, or because he’s revealed as Ann”abomination born of incest.” Either way, Mel will see him as a fitting sacrifice. The baby swap was a really shitty thing for Jon to do.
  10. A good officer would have seen it as an opportunity. Slynt was a bad officer. Still, it’s clear from Jon’s POV that he welcomed the chance to part Slynt’s “greasy head from his neck.” That does not make it unjust, however. The execution was quite legitimate.
  11. Some people struggle with the idea that this is a medieval world where capital punishment for murder, mutiny, insubordination, and treason is the norm, especially in armies.
  12. He certainly betrayed Kanedias, Tolomei, and Yulwei, maybe Cawneil, Juvens too. Oddly, I think he had some regard for both Logen and Ferro, and actually thought he was rewarding them. Logen didn’t feel personally betrayed by Bayaz, but was disgusted by his actions towards the people of Adua. Even people who aren’t betrayed by Bayaz become disillusioned with him.
  13. Jon goaded him deliberately, and wanted an excuse to kill him. But, Slynt’s behaviour still warranted execution.
  14. I won't deny that I like Daenerys a lot as a book character. I had more mixed views about the show. I liked her for about three and a half seasons, found her increasingly cold and arrogant for the next three and a half, but actually finished Season 8 a lot more sympathetic to her than I started the season, because I found her vilification so unfair and unearned. You aren't paranoid when you're surrounded by people who treat you like shit. I doubt if Ding & Dong intended people to react that way. The Starks came over pretty dreadfully throughout Season 8, basically, early season Lannisters with different hair colour. Again, I'm sure that was not the intention. I think handled right a Daenerys/Stark final round of conflict could have been done very well. It would be based upon differing political goals, Northern independence v retaining the united Seven Kingdoms, or Sansa making a bid for supreme power, with the backing of her relatives in the Vale and Riverlands. Neither side would need to have been vilified, but could be portrayed with equal empathy. But, it would have needed a season of its own.
  15. They kinda vanished. Logistics ceased to apply at some point. The Lannister/Tarly army would have eaten all the food it gathered on the way back to Kings Landing; where did Dany get the rations for 100,000 men to march and ride a thousand miles to Winterfell; where did they get the food to march South; how did Gendry sprint 100 miles to the Wall; how did Dany fly North at the speed of Concorde?
  16. Apparently, there were no nobles or peasants left in the Reach, despite the fact it's larger than modern Turkey, and the breadbasket of the Seven Kingdoms, and likely has a bigger population than fifteenth century France, in canon.
  17. I wouldn't say that Dany was entirely "pure and virtuous". She could be pretty brutal at times, as well as entitled and arrogant - but so too were the other sympathetic characters in this tale. This was a tale set in D & D's version of a medieval world (one can debate how accurate that portrayal is) in which Dany, the Starks, the Lannisters, the Tyrells, all believed that they had the right to rule, based upon their blood; and that they had the right to use force maintain or restore their positions in this world, and to avenge wrongs done to family. Neither Robb, nor Jon, nor Sansa, nor Arya disputed that traitors should be put to death, until the rules began to change in Season 7, with the Tarlys. Dany at least had a cause other than avenging personal wrongs, with her anti-slavery campaign, which was portrayed at the time as heroic, yet retconned as sinister, right at the end.
  18. Yet, it could have been made plausible, had Dany, her commanders, and the armies, been shown as people who had reached snapping point, after months of fighting against a faithless, ruthless enemy, who had left them in the lurch against the Dead. Just have her paraphrasing Sir Arthur Harris; "The Lannisters and their supporters entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they could slaughter others and not expect to be slaughtered in turn. At Harrenhall, Riverrun, Highgarden, and half a hundred other places, they proceeded to put that rather naive theory into effect. They have sown the wind, and now they shall reap the whirlwind." The fact is that almost no army in history, in the position of the Unsullied, Dothraki, Northmen, or Valemen, would be in any mood to display mercy to the defenders of Kings Landing, or the city's inhabitants. Especially when Cersei responded to an offer of quarter by beheading a prominent prisoner. Every soldier actually behaved in character for an army that takes a city by storm, yet quite dishonestly, this was presented as being completely outside the norms of war, and entirely the fault of Daenerys. Indeed, the portryal of Daenerys' military campaign from the start of Season 7 was dishonest. The narrative suggested there was a near-bloodless way of defeating Cersei when that was never an option, and portrayed as sinister the obvious (and least costly in terms of casualties) idea that she should fly to the Red Keep and flatten it. The Robb Stark and Jon Snow of the books, let alone the Stannis or Tyrion, would have had no compunction about putting the city to the sack, were they placed in a similar position to Daenerys. Imagine if it was Joffrey beheading Ned on the battlments, or Cersei beheading Arya.
  19. Some people can’t distinguish between praising a writer’s work, and endorsing his attitudes. John Campbell had some pretty unpleasant views (even by the standards of his day) but that doesn’t mean he was not a good writer and editor.
  20. "Her c*nt became the world" is not the most romantic of lines. Given her upbringing among Dothraki and sellswords, I guess Dany would come over as rather coarse, compared to Cat and Sansa, who would no doubt use more polite terms. Edit: My bad, that was Asha, not Dany.
  21. Not to mention “even his manhood was ugly, with thick veins and a bulbous purple head”. (Sansa has not been lucky with the men in her life.) Then, throwing up over the slave prostitute in Selhorys.
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