King Beyond The Wall Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 I finished reading ACoK , and was expecting some explanation about the buried bundle he and Ghost found at the outskirts of the "Fist of the First Men".It also confused me a lot and no other character in the book seemed to pay any attention to it, as if it was something ordinary for a black brother to bury his cloak with a bundle full of dragonglass so far beyond the wall.... :-\I hope it will be explained later on the series, as I also hope that Benjen is still alive (maybe he will meet him at the wildlings' camp?) [crossing my fingers] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrette Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Are you sure it's 100% certain that it's a cloak of the night's watch?I mean, I agree - that's abviously what we're supposed to believe at this point, but I'm not entirely sure if it's confirmed or just a black cloak in the hands of someone who happens to be looking for a black brother.Ghost wants to make sure Jon finds it, but...(Minor ASoS Spoiler)...the dragonglass weapons will otherwise come in handy, so that might as well have been the reason he lead Jon to the bundle, not necessarily because it's Benjen's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookd Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I finished reading ACoK , and was expecting some explanation about the buried bundle he and Ghost found at the outskirts of the "Fist of the First Men".It also confused me a lot and no other character in the book seemed to pay any attention to it, as if it was something ordinary for a black brother to bury his cloak with a bundle full of dragonglass so far beyond the wall.... :-\I think that there are alot of things that are not fully explained in the novel. They must be explained later in the series. The other thing is why not look for more then? BTW, do you think that Lord Mormont knows of the plan that Halfhand had for Jon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtopher Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I think that there are alot of things that are not fully explained in the novel. They must be explained later in the series. The other thing is why not look for more then?BTW, do you think that Lord Mormont knows of the plan that Halfhand had for Jon?I THINK that at some point one of the nightswatch men says that its common for a crow to be buried with their cloak and sword or something like that, i cant really remember that exactly, but at the time it seemed to me that it was a logical explanation for the things Jon found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungGriffAgeonVI Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I THINK that at some point one of the nightswatch men says that its common for a crow to be buried with their cloak and sword or something like that, i cant really remember that exactly, but at the time it seemed to me that it was a logical explanation for the things Jon found.If i remember correctly there werent any bones signifying that it was a grave site. But buried there deliberately by someone/thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtopher Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 you may be right, i´ll have to check that again in the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookd Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 If i remember correctly there werent any bones signifying that it was a grave site. But buried there deliberately by someone/thing.Yes.. there were no bones..just the black cloak and the weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrette Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 If I remember correctly, it was never even confirmed that it was a Night's Watch cloak. Just a black cloak that might (or might not) have been from a black brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Beyond The Wall Posted February 24, 2012 Author Share Posted February 24, 2012 I THINK that at some point one of the nightswatch men says that its common for a crow to be buried with their cloak and sword or something like that' date=' i cant really remember that exactly, but at the time it seemed to me that it was a logical explanation for the things Jon found.[/quote']There were no bones inside, only dragonglass and a broken warhorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crown Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I Hadn't thought about Lord Mormont knowing of Halfhand's plan... but now that you mention it, why not? It even sounds logical...I always thought it was Mormont his plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtopher Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I always thought it was Mormont his plan.If so, then why Jon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crown Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 If so, then why Jon?He also chose Jon as his personal 'guard', so I think Mormont trusts him or something? I don't know really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Beyond The Wall Posted February 29, 2012 Author Share Posted February 29, 2012 In my book there are many reasons (if it is trully Mormont's idea)a. Jon came willingly to the wall, unlike so many others who could become turncloaks for real in no time.b. Jon was still a little green and this could be used in order to persuade the wildlings of him going to the other side.c. Mance Raider would propably see a part of himself in a Stark-bastard-crow who turned over to the other side....or so I think.d. I believe it was also the big test for Jon. Let's not forget that the old bear was looking for someone to replace him sooner or later, and he obviously had considered Jon as a candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDrawback Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 In my book there are many reasons (if it is trully Mormont's idea)a. Jon came willingly to the wall, unlike so many others who could become turncloaks for real in no time.b. Jon was still a little green and this could be used in order to persuade the wildlings of him going to the other side.c. Mance Raider would propably see a part of himself in a Stark-bastard-crow who turned over to the other side....or so I think.Hmmmm i like these thoughts :)d. I believe it was also the big test for Jon. Let's not forget that the old bear was looking for someone to replace him sooner or later, and he obviously had considered Jon as a candidate.Hmm i like these thoughts :)Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckal Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 OP- you find out the importance of Jon's hidden treasure in ASOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirewolfQueen Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 Maybe Mormont knows that there is something "special" about Jon that even Jon himself doesn't know. Some readers speculate about Jon's actual heritage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimWolf Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I really doubt that Mormont was in on the Halfhand's plan. I think he only came up with the plan once he realized that they would be overtaken. There was no way for them to escape, so he came up with an idea of how to turn a negative ("we're all dead and no word will get back to the Watch") into a positive ("maybe one of us can stay alive and eventually bring a warning back to our Brothers").Remember how he told Jon to "take care of" Ygritte. He did not order him to kill her or release her. He left it up to Jon so that he could learn who Jon is. Jon made his own decision about what was right in that instance. It showed Qhorin that Jon was capable of acting on his own. If Jon had simply killed Ygritte without question then Qhorin may not have felt that Jon would be able to play the double agent. All of this happened after they'd left Mormont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 If I recall correctly, maester luwin had told bran that the children Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Of the forest used dragon glass as weapons a thousand years ago, close the the time the others were walking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxony Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 I saw a big fat hint today in the chapter where Halfhand chooses Jon. They were talking about how the leader of the wildlings (names are lost on me at this point) was looking for 'something' and suddenly the crow started screeching and that it "cut through the air like a knife". In the very next sentence Halfhand says "we may have questioned him too sharply"...... I immediately thought of the dragonglass dagger Jon had just made. It must contain magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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