ckal Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 The thing is though, I thought the Targaryens always have children with blonde hair, so how come Jon has dark hair?Didn't one of the Targaryen bastards in the Dunk and Egg books have dark hair as well? I haven't read these books yet so Idk what I'm talking about really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedViper_of_Dorne Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Hello, I see that a lot of us got to the same conclusion R+L=Jon :). I like the fact that some of you got detalis that I did not catch about this theory.For what I see the only two persons that know the truth are Howland Reed (the only survivor with Ned) and maybe Benjen!At some point Martin have to place Benjen again to tell the truth to Jon and after this Benjen can die (mission done), the possibility that Jon meet Howland Reed is more difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Raymun Fossoway Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Jon is Robert's son obviously.this is interesting. whats your theory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser_Willem Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Hello, I see that a lot of us got to the same conclusion R+L=Jon :). I like the fact that some of you got detalis that I did not catch about this theory.For what I see the only two persons that know the truth are Howland Reed (the only survivor with Ned) and maybe Benjen!At some point Martin have to place Benjen again to tell the truth to Jon and after this Benjen can die (mission done), the possibility that Jon meet Howland Reed is more difficult.That's probably why GRRM didn't killed Benjen yet. Because he still needs him for something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melonica Stormborn Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I'd like to see GRRM use Howland Reed to reveal the truth about Jon without it looking contrived. That said, I never once believed that Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna, I just always considered Robert bitter and believed what he wanted to believe. At this point the biggest twist would be Wylla actually being Jon's mother (I think someone has mentioned it before) :drunk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spotted Cat Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 its very probable that jon is a targaryan... they could show other features than the typical silver hair and purple eyes. remember Breakspear? (in dunk and egg) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melonica Stormborn Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 The darker features overpowering the lighter features (no doubt highlighted elsewhere where the R+L=J theory is discussed) is highly probable. Case in point: Robert's bastards versus Joffrey, Tommen and Myrcella. I really believe this theme has a role in the bigger scheme of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigrid Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I personally like the R + L = J theory, and there are many hints about this that I'm sure are discussed elsewhere. The most convincing thing to me is Lyanna dying in a "bed of blood" and Ned's unwillingness to ever talk about Jon's mother. The other two possibilities are:1.) Wylla: That is what Ned tells Robert and what Edric tells Arya. However I think all we know for sure is that Wylla nursed both Edric and Jon and Edric assumed Wylla was Jon's mother. Edric was kind of evasive. I don't really think Wylla is Jon's mother2.) Ashara Dayne: Cat has heard a rumor that she was Jon's mother. Edric mentions that she committed suicide over a broken heart. The Reeds mention her in the story about the tourney at Harrenhal, and I believe it was Ned who danced with her.I feel like if we could hear about what happened at Harrenhal from someone who was actually there for the whole thing we would learn a lot. Jaimie was there, but Aerys sent him away right after his investiture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 I always thought Jon was Roberts son. Robert and Lyannas. That makes plenty of sense to me.However R+L=J makes a lot of sense too... Damn you George Martin!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AegonTargaryen Posted July 16, 2012 Author Share Posted July 16, 2012 I always thought Jon was Roberts son. Robert and Lyannas. That makes plenty of sense to me.However R+L=J makes a lot of sense too... Damn you George Martin!!!!I initially considered this as well. However as far as I can tell Robert and Lyanna never actually had the opportunity to do "it". Also it seems odd for Ned to lie about Jon being his if he was Robert's.The Targaryen scenario makes a lot more sense as Robert would have wanted to completely eradicate the Targaryen line. If Jon was Rhaegar's son, Robert would have certainly wanted him dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpareBoot Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I just finished ASoS, and have been thinking about that "promise" Ned made. I thought it had to do with Jon, but didnt think Ned would bed his sister. If the R+L theory is true, then isnt Jon Snow the true king? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser_Willem Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I just finished ASoS, and have been thinking about that "promise" Ned made. I thought it had to do with Jon, but didnt think Ned would bed his sister. If the R+L theory is true, then isnt Jon Snow the true king?No, because Jon would be still a bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AegonTargaryen Posted July 16, 2012 Author Share Posted July 16, 2012 No, because Jon would be still a bastard.Not necessarily, Rhaegar could have married Lyanna. Targaryens engaged in polygamy and the two of them had an ample amount of time to get hitched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser_Willem Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Not necessarily, Rhaegar could have married Lyanna. Targaryens engaged in polygamy and the two of them had an ample amount of time to get hitched.Maybe that's what Lyanna wanted Ned to promise.That he wouldn't tell she married Rhaegar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpareBoot Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Could get real interesting. If he is Rhaegar's heir, Dany wont be too pleased. I dont know. It's a drawn out version of Aragorn on LOTR, except Aragorn knew who he was. Jon doesnt have a clue of anything, just that he has Stark blood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadiseSeeker Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 I think we got so many clues for the R+L theory that it can't be false. Especially with GRRM's sense of detail, it's far too well built to be a coincidence. And that's also the only thing that makes me suspicious about it - we are literally being pushed into it, which is not Martin's style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
int11 Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Don't forget:So he gave us a test question which was ‘Who do you think Jon Snow’s real mother was?’ and there was a pause, and we thought that if we got this wrong then we may not have a show, and the answer is not in the books. We said ‘the answer’s…X’ and we were right. (Interview with Benioff and Weiss) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaegar Targaryen's Ghost Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 The Ned+Wylla is Weak. 95% of people believe either Rhaegar and Lyanna or Ned and Ashara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Hill Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 I think we got so many clues for the R+L theory that it can't be false. Especially with GRRM's sense of detail, it's far too well built to be a coincidence. And that's also the only thing that makes me suspicious about it - we are literally being pushed into it, which is not Martin's style.Exactly, this is why I don't think it's going to be the R+L theory. It's too poetic, too obvious, and so there must be a missing piece in this equation. For one, I think Martin may never reveal Jon's parentage because it honestly serves no purpose. I don't think Jon would leave his post as Lord Commander of the Night's Watch if he discovered he's the bastard of Rhaegar or even his legitimate son. Jon's honor is sky high; he would preserve the neutrality of the Night's Watch.If Jon Snow is R+L, I still doubt he would be the rightful heir due to some things I heard from people who've finished ADWD which I'm about to start. I've spoiled one bit for myself already. :bang: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsberry Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 , or Ned is a moron.It is known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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