The three heads and azor ahai

[Jonrice68]

Yes. It is true Danny is AA reborn and TPTWP. These two main prophecies and all the less significant prophecies all point to Danny as the main star of this series. It was Danny that woke dragons from stone born amidst smoke and salt. She pulled lightbringer (the dragons) from the flames. They are her sword to fight the coming cold and darkness. If the others don't like fire I'm sure the dragons will take care of them. She will not conquer the seven kingdoms and make herself queen. She will save westeros from the others and they will make her queen.

She will be aided by her two other heads, or dragon riders, Jon Targaryen (he's not a snow or stark) and tyrion (either blackfyre or some other bastard name)

Jon is clearly one of the dragons, and he will ride the white dragon. Lyanna did not love Robert. When she was crowned queen of love and beauty she did her she wolf thing and ran away with Rheagar. They got hitched in Dorne where Rhaegar was for most of the war that followed Lyannas supposed kidnaping. After she got knocked up Rhaegar, because of his fathers summones, left to join the war effort. Following house targ's destruction, after the bloody birth of Jon, she made Ned promise not to tell.

The evidence that supports this is both Rhaegar and Lyanna where betrothed or married to loveless partners

Lyanna died in child birth as did Danny's mother because dragons claw their way into this world

Ned committing adultery!! Come on

The bedchamber she was found in blood (from the bad birthing) and blue roses (Lyanna's favorite)

And of course Danny having a vision of a blue rose (symbolizing Jon) in a wall of ice

Jon was the easy one as most people seem to think that way. Less easy is Tyrion.

Born with a tail of foreshadowing

Brilliant in the way Rhaegar was perceived (a much different cunning than Tywin)

The mad king coveted his mother, Joanna

Tywin split suddenly from his duties as hand (Found out Aryes was nailing his wife)

Joanna stayed in kings landing as a kind of servant to Rhaella while Tywin was Hand

Aryes's behavior was more erratic after Tywin split

Tyrion clawed his way into this world killing his mother as did Jon and Danny

There are other things that make me believe all this to be how the story plays out. I just don't feel like going into detail. Anyone that wants to put a wager on this message me I would put a lot of money on it.

[Electric Wizard]

I agree that's probably the rough direction the story is headed. The symbology all points that way. Part of me also thinks Tywin probably knew (or suspected) Tyrion was not his son from the start. All the talk of wanting to kill him at birth could stem from the fact he knew he was a bastard and an affront to the Lannister name and legacy. Having to raise such a child into one of the most powerful families in Westeros (due to his love for his wife and her memory - Tyrion would still be HER child, after all) with knowledge of what he was, and with the personalities and Tyrion and Tywin being what they are/were, could explain the fury and the hatred. He knows Tyrion is smart and capable, but in Tywin's eyes he could never have been the heir he wanted (after Jamie is sworn into the Kingsguard), not because he is a dwarf as much as because he is not fully a Lannister.

Also, I think the most interesting aspect of the three heads theory is where it leaves the other characters, especially Stannis. I can't see him bending the knee to anyone at this point, let alone a Targaryen. I reckon his own prophecy will be realised, at least partially, and he will make it to King's Landing and sit the Iron Throne, but only briefly before he and it are consumed in dragonfire and (probably) the Seven Kingdoms dissolved. There is no way Stannis is surviving to the end of the story, especially if he has to face the three heads as described. Though he's in the game for the right reasons, I can't see him as anyone's number 2.

[Mrmanakan]

Yes. It is true Danny is AA reborn and TPTWP.

I believe TPTWP & AA are 2 separate prophecies although they may and possibly are connected.

If Dany is both one and the same then I would have to truly believe Jon is dead. Because as you say AA reborn would mean resurrected which dany never once died. However it looks extremely grim for Jon snow or targaryen as you call him. I do believe he is lyanna's child so I suppose I agree with you on that count but if he is not AA I don't know who is i would say dany is not thou she doesn't have the sword of heroes which even maester aemon believed would come back into the world. I think Jon will be AA reborn and I'm curious to see how all this changes him.

Now tyrion....if I remember right Tywinn resigned from being hand because Aerys declined to marry rhaegar to cersei and said something like "a king cannot marry his heir to his servants daughter" now I don't even remember hearing that Joanna lannister or whatever his wife's name was stayed behind at kings landing when he left. I know she died birthing Tyrion in casterly rock and it is curious that these 3 are really the only ones with mothers who died birthing them (if lyanna's is Jon's mom which a lot of foreshadowing seems to point to) in fact can anyone think of any other characters whose mother died on the birthing table?

So maybe there's something to this obviously dany is one of the three heads and she has to be the prince that was promised but no sword means no AA. And again she was never resurrected...being somewhat immune to flames is a different story. Wake the dragon.

[Jonrice68]

I think AA reborn dose not mean that person has to die then be resurrected. It is only the rebirth of the first AA

I do believe Jon will be resurrected by Mel. After all the knights watch serve for life, so if Jon dies and is resurrected he is released from his vows a free to be a dragon rider

My only hesitation with this is "dragons" can not be burned a Jon suffered bad burns when he kill that white walker

Lightbringer may not truly be a sword but rather a weapon used to fight the others that is bright and radiates heat similar attributes that the dragons have. That is only a theory though because no sword spoken of yet fits all the criteria of lightbringer, which I believe was first mentioned in book 2. I would have thought George would have hinted at which sword it was by now if he intended it to be an actual sword. Could be wrong though

Now concerning Tywins wife. I thought she was at kings landing serving the queen during Tywins rule. Not after he left. Some people believe that she stayed at the rock to run the house hold. Semly mentioned Areys was kind of charming in his youth. He still had fits of madness but they were easily covered up. I think George put that into the book as foreshadowing for the revelation that tyrion is Joanna and Areys love child.

Also Tywin/Cersies union with Rheagar was stopped during a torny held in Lanisport (or the Rock). It was also said Separately that Tywin unexpectedly packed up his things and left the capital. It may be these two incidents were unrelated.

[Mrmanakan]

I think the whole being burnt has to do with the mind set and if your true to ur dragon self. I know that sounds a little crackpotish but why was dany burned in the fighting pits. And as she reconnects with her inner dragon in the dothraki sea she suddenly seems to heal and somewhat quickly. So maybe it's the mindset and being true to your inner targaryen. Hard to say exactly what that means but Jon May have the same power if he knew who he really was as dany knows who she is and remembers who she is in the dothraki sea. Jon has never really known who he is, yes he knows he's a stark but if he is a targ and never knew then maybe that part of him is dormant. Possibly same with tyrion if your guess is correct.

[Jesse17Renee]

Not widow's wail... but Jamie/Brienne's sword matches the prophecy quite a bit... It was also originally Neds and is now possibly in the hands of Lady Stoneheart... Who I believe will find out that Jon was not a bastard (as I think that would ease her spirit and be an amazing thing for her to find out) and then she will give the sword to Jon... Okay so this is all to fairy tail and probably wont happen but I hope so!!! Would love to see Cat finally see that Ned never betrayed her.

[Jonrice68]

Oath keeper dose not match the description of lightbringer at all (at least yet) it was not pulled from the fire by AA nor dose it radiate heat or light. If a sword dose emerge a closer bet may be longclaw. Yet I do not think that will be the case. I do not think Jon will be AA

[CyberKlown28]

Dany isn't TPTWP because the old man(forgot his name, with Sam there) straight up laid it out that she was. Which means GRRM will likely flip it on us.

My take.

[Darkpilsen]

Yes. It is true Danny is AA reborn and TPTWP. These two main prophecies and all the less significant prophecies all point to Danny as the main star of this series. It was Danny that woke dragons from stone born amidst smoke and salt. She pulled lightbringer (the dragons) from the flames. They are her sword to fight the coming cold and darkness. If the others don't like fire I'm sure the dragons will take care of them. She will not conquer the seven kingdoms and make herself queen. She will save westeros from the others and they will make her queen.

She will be aided by her two other heads, or dragon riders, Jon Targaryen (he's not a snow or stark) and tyrion (either blackfyre or some other bastard name)

Jon is clearly one of the dragons, and he will ride the white dragon. Lyanna did not love Robert. When she was crowned queen of love and beauty she did her she wolf thing and ran away with Rheagar. They got hitched in Dorne where Rhaegar was for most of the war that followed Lyannas supposed kidnaping. After she got knocked up Rhaegar, because of his fathers summones, left to join the war effort. Following house targ's destruction, after the bloody birth of Jon, she made Ned promise not to tell.

The evidence that supports this is both Rhaegar and Lyanna where betrothed or married to loveless partners

Lyanna died in child birth as did Danny's mother because dragons claw their way into this world

Ned committing adultery!! Come on

The bedchamber she was found in blood (from the bad birthing) and blue roses (Lyanna's favorite)

And of course Danny having a vision of a blue rose (symbolizing Jon) in a wall of ice

Jon was the easy one as most people seem to think that way. Less easy is Tyrion.

Born with a tail of foreshadowing

Brilliant in the way Rhaegar was perceived (a much different cunning than Tywin)

The mad king coveted his mother, Joanna

Tywin split suddenly from his duties as hand (Found out Aryes was nailing his wife)

Joanna stayed in kings landing as a kind of servant to Rhaella while Tywin was Hand

Aryes's behavior was more erratic after Tywin split

Tyrion clawed his way into this world killing his mother as did Jon and Danny

There are other things that make me believe all this to be how the story plays out. I just don't feel like going into detail. Anyone that wants to put a wager on this message me I would put a lot of money on it.

What about Aegon VI?

[The Dragon has three heads]

The only things that resembles light bringer is berics weapon, which was only "activated" by his blood which was empowered somehow by the red lot.

[Paul Craig Meyer]

What people seem to believe when it comes to the prophecy of Azor Ahai reborn is that it's either Dany or Jon. There's a lot of people for both of them being TPTWP but what if they both are. Lets look at Dany, in the first book when the Dragons are born everything could point to Dany being Azor Ahai reborn. However with this last chapter for Jon in ADWD it's very possible that he is dead, yet Melisandre is now at the wall so she could bring him back to life through the red god. This has been proving to work since Thoros of Myr used the same method to bring back Beric Dondarrion to life SIX times. And of course we all know Beric did the same thing for Catelyn/Lady Stoneheart. So it isn't to far fetched to believe Jon is dead but will be resurrected, thus he could also be Azor Ahai reborn. Thoughts anyone.

[Jonrice68]

Errrrrrrrtt AA reborn dose not mean they have to die and come back to life. It just means it's the second coming of him.

No there is only one PTWP Aemon tells us it is Danny with a certainty. I believe him

[Paul Craig Meyer]

Another theory I want to hit upon is the R+L=J theory. Now this is a theory I believe 100% and if it does happen that Jon isn't their son it would kill the story. This is because with all the evidence that has been presented throughout the series it seems pretty clear that there's only one explanation to Jon's parentage, he's the legitimate son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. Now you might ask why he'd be legitimate, it is common knowledge that Targaryens were polyamorous meaning they'd sometimes marry more than one person. So Rhaegar and Lyanna may have been married in secret with trusted witnesses to ensure that if need ever be it could be proven that they were married. Also very conclusive prove of Jon being there son is that when Ned recalls finding Lyanna in the Tower of Joy in one his POV chapters is that the bed that he found Lyanna was covered in blood (not the exact wording but close enough), which would point to her dying in labor i.e Jon Snows birth. Also you see a few times throughout the first book Ned recalling a promise he made to Lyanna right before she died. A theory that is pretty popular and my believe is that she made him promise to protect her son, so Jon Targaryen then became Jon Snow. Why I say this is because Ned would have decided to raise Jon as his son/bastard because he couldn't very well proclaim him Lyanna's son due to Robert Baratheons hate for Targaryens. You see first hand in the first book when Ned and Robert are talking on the Kingsroad Robert say he'd kill any Targaryen he got his hands on. Now this would have been the promise Lyanna made Ned swear to protect Jon, from Roberts wrath. If this is true it could very possibly make Jon the rightful heir to the Iron Throne. Now for those of who say he wouldn't be because of Aegon, Rhaegars other son who would be older if he is still alive, I say Aegon is in fact a pretender and the real Aegon in fact died in the sack of Kings Landing like we all always believed until this book. This person who claims to be Aegon could very well be a Blackfyre, a part of house Targaryen that broke off over a hundred years ago and tried to claim the Iron Throne themselves and were sent into exile. So I don't think it would be to far-fetched to believe that they could try again now. Just my thoughts may turn out differently but it would be epic if this would be the way it turns out.

[Rodrik Stark]

Dragons fighting White Walkers? Fire against ice? This seems like reading some of Tolkien's work. But this is not Tolkien.

Then again, the Dany-Jon-Tyrion theory could be true, but that doesn't mean it will happen even if we'll know for sure it's true.

'If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.'

[Adzy]

it all seems to fall in place.

all three mothers of dany tyrion and jon died during childbirth. all of targaryen parentage. i cannot wait for TWOW!

[sj4iy]

Errrrrrrrtt AA reborn dose not mean they have to die and come back to life. It just means it's the second coming of him.

No there is only one PTWP Aemon tells us it is Danny with a certainty. I believe him

Correct. I believe that the wording was "when the darkness gathers"...Jon doesn't have to die for the darkness to gather, losing consciousness does that, as well.

Can't say I really believe that Tyrion's half Targaryan, though. Nothing I've seen convinces me of this so far.

[The King Beyond The Wall]

Dany will probably die as Jon Died... Stabbed in the back by someone close (I have my own theories as to who will 'stab' her in the back) her Dragons will be taken, they'll kill their new masters and roam freely (one of them will be warged, by Bran or Rickon the other two will possibly die). If Jon lives through this stabbing he won't be stronger than he was, I don't think he's Azor Azai (that's too obvious, and nothing is obvious in this song.

Anyway... Should the dragons live. It'll be Mance Rhaegar, Aegon and Dany riding them... (Somehow I don't see this happily ever after) Tyrions death is going to be the hardest for US all to accept, it's bound to happen, but I just don't want to think about it. Dynasties come and go, the Targaeryn time is over. It's time for a NEW Super Power to take over... All that's happening in these books is transitioning towards that...we know barely anything of the 'others' but we know they have special powers. Wouldn't be surprised if they take over Westoros and everyone flees to ESSOS. Dany will get her Iron Throne. But maybe a throne she'll build herself in Essos.

These are my predictions.

[sj4iy]

Dany will probably die as Jon Died... Stabbed in the back by someone close (I have my own theories as to who will 'stab' her in the back) her Dragons will be taken, they'll kill their new masters and roam freely (one of them will be warged, by Bran or Rickon the other two will possibly die). If Jon lives through this stabbing he won't be stronger than he was, I don't think he's Azor Azai (that's too obvious, and nothing is obvious in this song.

Anyway... Should the dragons live. It'll be Mance Rhaegar, Aegon and Dany riding them... (Somehow I don't see this happily ever after) Tyrions death is going to be the hardest for US all to accept, it's bound to happen, but I just don't want to think about it. Dynasties come and go, the Targaeryn time is over. It's time for a NEW Super Power to take over... All that's happening in these books is transitioning towards that...we know barely anything of the 'others' but we know they have special powers. Wouldn't be surprised if they take over Westoros and everyone flees to ESSOS. Dany will get her Iron Throne. But maybe a throne she'll build herself in Essos.

These are my predictions.

I disagree. Plenty of things are obvious...we could see the Red Wedding a mile away. Hell, Jon's backstabbing was foretold all throughout ADWD. I don't see how Jon ISN'T Azor Ahai as both he and Melisandre have seen visions of him connected directly to Azor Ahai...not to mention his 'death' correlates to the prophecy.

I don't think Martin is writing as original a book as people claim he is, though...there's nothing wrong with using typical fantasy tropes as long as they are well-written.

[The King Beyond The Wall]

He hated the fact that Tolkien brought back Gandalf from the dead. He wants his 'fantasy' to feel real. Cat comes back weaker than she was, and completely lost her ability to talk due to her throat being cut. Beric never came back stronger. I doubt he'll make Jon as Azor Azai. Red Wedding was foreshadowed. But if you go based on foreshadowing you could say it was foreshadowed that Robb will defeat the Lannicsters. What I meant by this song not being obvious is that many things are foreshadowed all over the place. But only a few become reality.

[horizon]

But still... i would not like it plotwise to see both Jon and Tyrion being a Targaryen. Really. It bugs me. Especially Tyrion should be a real Lannister. And somehow I hope Jon is from Ned + Wylla or Ashara or fisherman's daughter. But the latter is heading Lyanna/Rhaegar.

And, aye, Danaerys is the princess that was promised. Because I like Aemon to have that one correct in his dying moments. But she is not Azor Azhai.