A Bastard Snow Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 He was the 13th. The other bit is that whole point plot of the story of life beyond the wall is that all of the tribes unite under mance because he promises to save them from the coming darkness. Tormond talks of the threat of the others. How they have to burn their dead or else they will rise again. The Others and woights cannot move beyond the wall. The wights have to be carried through the wall by the rangers. If the wall was built by the Others, why does it stop them and not the humans? Why are humans north of the wall at all, ever? Hella Cracky McCrackerton-pot Yea why on earth would you make a magical barrier that only blocks you from passing it. The Night's Watch is thus called because of the fact that the Others are always linked to darkness.Considering the Others invasion is called "The Long Night" and the oath of the NW talks about being the fire that burns against the cold and the light that brings the dawn the job they have is to maintain a constant vigil over the realm to make sure the darkness (others) dont return.Crackpot theory is crackpot as the NK happened waaaaaaaaaaaaaay after the "Long Night" ended which is the first time we hear about the Watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Starrk Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Can't something just be as it appears for once in this story and not a conspiracy or twist waiting to happen. I mean it COULD....but this GRRM so I will not be making the mistake of dismissing ANY theories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 No. Or are you suggesting that they are so stupid that they built 19 castles on the wrong side of the Wall? Who said the Others built the castles? The idea was that they built the Wall. What the puny humans do on the other side is no concern of theirs. They have places to go, things to freeze... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Starrk Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Who said the Others built the castles? The idea was that they built the Wall. What the puny humans do on the other side is no concern of theirs. They have places to go, things to freeze... I laughed harder at this than I would like to admit :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 You guys are reading too far into this. "The fire that burns against the cold." That says all you need to know. The Night's Watch was founded to protect the realm against The Others, wildlings, etc. there is no other logical explanation for their establishment.Except their true purpose could've been changed by the Andals. The NW has been Andalised and when that happened, maybe at the fall of the Night's King, they were forced to change their purpose from guarding the realms beyond from Man, to protecting Man from the realms beyond. Why would Castle Black have a Sept but not a Weirwood within their grounds? They're in the North and the main religion is the old gods, so why is the closest Weirwood beyond the Wall, in Wildling territory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalseSpring Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 to add some cracking coals to the crackpot fire so we can all have crackpot stew: maybe craster's keep was the original location of the NW- maybe the wife thing has some value, the NW men were meant to make babies for the others, just as craster did. Why did mormont have so much respect for craster other than the occasional shelter? He could have killed craster long ago and kept his keep for shelter for rangings anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Crow Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Who said the Others built the castles? The idea was that they built the Wall. What the puny humans do on the other side is no concern of theirs. They have places to go, things to freeze... Its worth bearing in mind that only the Nightfort is as old as the Wall and is twice as old as Castle Black. Whether or not Castle Black was the next castle to be built after the Nightfort we don't know, although it has to be a strong possibility. Nevertheless, the fact remains that apart from the Nightfort - presumably guarding the Black Gate below - the castles came after the Wall and were not integral to the creation of it. As to the Nights King, he's referenced in Old Nan's story simply as the 13th leader, not the Lord Commander. Whether he actually was the 13th leader is perhaps open to doubt since there's an odd symetry with his supposedly being the 13th leader and reigning for 13 years as the Nights King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Pounce Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 So - is the Night's Watch watching the night? or for the night? What if cold burned and fire froze? What if up were down? What if Joffrey were really good and Ned Stark was the evil one? Chinese people say "green" but they don't really mean "green", they mean like "green" and "blue" and "black" and crap all mixed together, just like how their "spring" starts in the middle of winter. Duuuuuuuuuuuuude. Game of Thrones, written, directed, and produced by M. Night Shamalamadingdong... This. Everyone needs to read this. Look at where they built their castles, unprotected castles, and you have your answer. Eh, yes and no. Until the 13th Lord Commander went rogue, the castles were fortified on both sides. It was only after that conflict that the King in the North razed their defenses on his border. This theory is cracked but your reason doesn't really speak to the original situation. The original situation—unless you're just going to discount all of Nan's legends wholesale, in which case, why not aliens and transdimensional Hitler?—is that there was no Night's King to serve until well after the founding of the order. Hence, bad theory. Moving on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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