Wmarshal Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I realize a lot of Yandel's account covers over some crazy stuff and just brushes over it. So I thought we could talk about it for a bit and think of somethings and what they over all mean: One I found was the rise of house Tully: Edmure Tully was a ally of Trisitfer Mudd the Fourth, a brave and heroic king. Upon Mudd's death, he joined Armistead Vance. Now this may look simple enough but it over looks one thing: -Mudd's son and heir, who he seemed to have abandoned. THey rouse by joining Vance, one of the main foes of Mudd for land and power. This just struck me, mostly because how funny people mock the Freys in house origin. So what do you think, what history seems darker to you and give up your thought process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pox Americana Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Tristifer the Last was a weak king, not the equal of Tristifer IV, The Hammer of Justice. Lord Tully saw the writing on the wall, despite Tully obedience to the River Kings of the past. Armistead Vance was the greatest leader of the Andal Confederacy allied against the Kingodm of Rivers and Hills. It was a prudent decision to join willingly when assimilation was all but inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 Tristifer the Last was a weak king, not the equal of Tristifer IV, The Hammer of Justice. Lord Tully saw the writing on the wall, despite Tully obedience to the River Kings of the past. Armistead Vance was the greatest leader of the Andal Confederacy allied against the Kingodm of Rivers and Hills. It was a prudent decision to join willingly when assimilation was all but inevitable. The Andal Confederacy is what killed Mudds. They basically summer friends of the Mudds, but simply abandoned them when the going got tough and aided in their doom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSovereignGrave Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 The Andal Confederacy is what killed Mudds. They basically summer friends of the Mudds, but simply abandoned them when the going got tough and aided in their doom. I think it was more of a prudent political choice. It's been established that Tristifer V was nowhere near the King Tristifer IV was, so it was inevitable that he'd end up falling. So Edmure did what was best for his House and joined Armistead Vance. And we don't even know what exactly happened, just that Edmure Tully went over to Armistead Vance. For all we know Tristifer V may have done something that insulted and alienated Edmure Tully; we don't know the specifics of what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 I think it was more of a prudent political choice. It's been established that Tristifer V was nowhere near the King Tristifer IV was, so it was inevitable that he'd end up falling. So Edmure did what was best for his House and joined Armistead Vance. And we don't even know what exactly happened, just that Edmure Tully went over to Armistead Vance. For all we know Tristifer V may have done something that insulted and alienated Edmure Tully; we don't know the specifics of what happened. I dig that, I just find it odd how Yandel basically ignored Tristifer V in the Tully page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blow My Horn Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I dig that, I just find it odd how Yandel basically ignored Tristifer V in the Tully page. Wasn't Tristifer V covered in the Andals chapter? Constantly revisiting information would make the book so very boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 Wasn't Tristifer V covered in the Andals chapter? Constantly revisiting information would make the book so very boring. But it would be incredible one sided to mention how great and loyal they were to Tris IV, but ignore completely how they basically jumped shark the second he died and gained Riverrun ending his heir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blow My Horn Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 But it would be incredible one sided to mention how great and loyal they were to Tris IV, but ignore completely how they basically jumped shark the second he died and gained Riverrun ending his heir. The Riverlands chapter is basically the "Tully chapter" so we combine it with the Riverlands section of the Andals chapter to get as full of a view as Yandel will give us. So we're already taking a slanted view of history through the author then deal with the parts of history "written by the victor". The Tullys saw the writing on the wall with Tris V though. In political circles it would be considered great foresight what they did. The Tullys could not exist on an island supporting Tris V surrounded by Andals, Westermen and the Reach. May as well take a long walk off a short pier at that point. They did the same with Aegon. Self-preservation is the only way to survive long term in TWoIaF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 The Riverlands chapter is basically the "Tully chapter" so we combine it with the Riverlands section of the Andals chapter to get as full of a view as Yandel will give us. So we're already taking a slanted view of history through the author then deal with the parts of history "written by the victor". The Tullys saw the writing on the wall with Tris V though. In political circles it would be considered great foresight what they did. The Tullys could not exist on an island supporting Tris V surrounded by Andals, Westermen and the Reach. May as well take a long walk off a short pier at that point. They did the same with Aegon. Self-preservation is the only way to survive long term in TWoIaF. I get the political part, but morally, it was Frey before the Frey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fossoway Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I get the political part, but morally, it was Frey before the Frey. Frey were moved by greed and vengeance. Tully were moved by political cunning. As simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 Frey were moved by greed and vengeance. Tully were moved by political cunning. As simple as that. Isn't that a pretty way of saying they knew Vance would give them more and didn't want to go done with the ship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSovereignGrave Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Isn't that a pretty way of saying they knew Vance would give them more and didn't want to go done with the ship? Or they wanted to make sure their House survived. The Andal Kings could be pretty brutal to those who stood against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fossoway Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Isn't that a pretty way of saying they knew Vance would give them more and didn't want to go done with the ship? Actually no. These are different things. Take Roose for instance: he switched sides whe he saw Robb´s cause was lost. The Frey only did that when they knew no harm could be done to them, and were moved out of anger. Remember Walder has been looked down upon all his life. And the Frey too. When I think about the Andals, Starcraft´s zergs come to mind. They just came wave after wave. You could beat them 99 times and still they would come back. Tully might just wanted some peace in a good political position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fossoway Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Now, I wonder why the Blackwoods were driven out of the North by the Starks and to this day still be good friends with them. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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