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Well the problem with this argument is that Got is an adaption of my favorite story of all time. If I didn't have a strong emotional connection to the source material, I wouldn't still watch it. In your analogy, broccoli would be my favorite food, it's just that d$d are terrible chefs, and keep ruining something that I do love.

I find this line of advise very useful for posters such as yourself as well.

Well I do agree that in the long list of major problems I find with the show, this is a relatively minor one in comparison.

To be fair to GRRM. Although, and George has admitted as such, the books don't pay meticulous detail to distances and travel times, they are fairly consistent, and are not blatantly ignored like in the show. ASOIAF may have some errors or minor discrepancies, but Got purposely ignores these details and entails extreme discrepancies in the time line. d$d show a willful disregard for the time line in order to force scenes that they think would be cool and bad ass, IMHO, to the detriment of the story being told.

Right, but that's the whole point. There is no regard or consistency in the details at all. Just one of the many factors that influence my decision to give a low rating. And it's not about delaying a story to fit a timeline. It's about planning ahead and writing a good story that doesn't conflict with the time line just for the purpose of checking off plot points without telling the story of how these moments came to be. That's the difference between being a good writer and producing scenes just for spectacle.

Although yours is contrary to my own, I would argue that your opinion caries an equal weight as everybody else's. Welcome to the forum.

I apologize, I did not mean to accuse you specifically of using this as a straw man argument, as you were only stated your views on the matter. I was merely trying to point out that this often is used in this manner.

See, I don't understand this argument. It's not about actually showing the travel, but having distances traveled being consistent with the passage of time that has occurred. If the writers wanted to have someone travel from Westeros to Slavers bay, they should have planned their story better and had them leaving on this journey several episodes earlier, allowing for at least a relatively plausible amount of time to have passed. They would not have to be featured in the subsequent episodes from their departure until they arrived at their destination. Frankly, this defense is an all to common straw man argument used to dismiss a valid criticism of the show.

Well a theory is not show canon, it's just trying to honey pot the ridiculousness that this show gets away with. It would also be inconsistent with what was already established in the show, as Jaime's journey from the Rivelands to Kingslanding took a whole season, but now it's suddenly possible to travel the entire planet in less than one episode. I'm sorry but this is such a drastic inconsistency that it is impossible to maintain suspension of disbelief for me when details that are this obvious are blatantly ignored.

It's one thing to gloss over the time it would travel from Castle Black to Winterfell, which is roughly a months long journey. But to travel from the Iron Islands to slavers bay is a significantly longer trip. This would be at least the equivalent of sailing from New York, all the way around North America to LA, and then heading west, all the way across the Pacific ocean to Asia. It's preposterous to think that Theon and Yara could have made this Journey, even using the most generous gauge of how much time has actually passed. I'm only guessing, but I would imagine that this trip should have taken at least a year.

If you are genuinely interested in an answer to that question, you are welcome to read a post of mine, about the twelfth one down in my history that fully explains why I still watch the show. It's the one in the Criticize thread that starts with "Ughhh";

On the contrary, I could be very forgiving of a lot of flaws in a show if I felt the the people making the show had the slightest interest in at least attempting to write a cohesive story, instead of throwing all logic and rules of good story telling out the window in the name of cheap and shocking spectacle. I can't really fault d$d for this approach though, as the results of this poll proves, their tactics do work.

Well, I would rather give an hour of gospel singing a 10, than to give this episode above a 1.

Sorry, I'm not going to give some points to something that I found nonsensical, manipulative, appalling, and offensive no matter how it was filmed. I could say to all the people who voted a 10...Are you trolling or what? At least take off some points for the obviously blatant flaws throughout the entire episode, but it is their right to vote how they want.

And your only on the second episode...brace yourself my friend, you'll be worn right through soon enough.

So that scene accomplished absolutely nothing and was a big waste of screen time, other than showing that Tyrion's wisdom and wit is enticing enough to tame a couple of ferocious man eating dragons.

They are taking a nap at the foot of Tyrion's bed. they will show up when their alarm clock goes off, at plot o'clock.

I suggest reading some of the 600 plus posts in the criticize without repercussions thread that have accumulated in one day.

What does this even mean? You do realize that "You need the bad pussy" is a quote of d$d's dialogue?

Nice

So irrelevant.

No, what the others enjoy is cheap sensationalist spectacle, not story telling. There is no story being told anymore, it's just jumping from one shocking scene to another by any logic defying means necessary.

Your free to do as you please, but at least my vote is an honest opinion reflecting the quality of the show, not some attempt to tip the balance of a meaningless poll in my favor.

No, I don't. No, I didn't I don't. Again, no. That's why the examples you've provided are not some of my favorite stories and I don't consider them to be brilliantly written literature. I do have this expectation of Got. They have shown in the first season that they were capable of making a pragmatic adaption of ASOIAF, but have since lost interest in doing so. d$d pander to the lowest common denominater, and have no competence in telling a coherent, intelligent story. It's one thing to have to rely on suspension of disbelief occasionally, but two or three times a scene is unacceptable.

Great points I don't agree with downplaying Sansa's brutal experience, as I am fortunate enough to have never experienced such horrible atrocities, and can't even begin to imagine what it would be like to go through something like that. And let's not forget that d$d didn't find it vile enough to have her brutally raped, but also felt it necessary to have Ramsey mutilate her as well. But yeah, the way they portray Jon and Sansa's mental state after all that they have been through is ludicrous. The only time Sansa shows any distress about her ordeal is in one random scene with LF, which was solely done with the intent to emotionally manipulate the audience, and had no baring on character consistency or proper story telling. But Jon, he's been through an awful fucking lot of insane bullshit. And fuck, eight episodes in and I can't recall a single consequence of Jon actually fucking dying. That's right, he was literally dead, and came back to life and the absolute only thing that has happened to him as a result is he reverted back to the same sulky teenager he was before he came to the Wall.