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  1. Please note the bolded in points 2 & 4 https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeusExMachina&ved=0ahUKEwiU_uWxlPPVAhWo7IMKHTeoD3IQFghUMAM&usg=AFQjCNENanKSiiXz3axVJ0USmoSaXStKng
  2. Wrong, Danny was not in an unresolvable situation, she could have simply not walked into the fire. She also had premonitions telling her that she would be fine. You really don't have a clue what your talking about.
  3. I'm not picking and choosing, I already told you that I agree with the interpretation of "new" that Dolorous Gabe provided. I'll ask for the third time, where in the definition does it support what you claim? It doesn't, that's why you're ignoring the request, and resorting to ad hominem attacks. Yes, I'm so broken up over here about your ignorant, selective argument. I'm almost in tears. oh, poor ol' sensitive me. Oh, I know what it means. You would be right if we were discussing the original, archaic meaning. You do realize that in language, words and terms tend to evolve, and take on broader meanings over time? In modern language, the use of deus ex machina is not bound to the criteria that you propose. I've already addressed this, but you're to arrogant to actually read and acknowledge the points that someone is addressing you with. And you're to busy trying to belittle others for criticizing a show that you have a differing opinion of, and apparently, are too sensitive to accept the fact that these people don't like, and criticize something that you do like. If you provide something to back up your claim, I'll gladly admit that I'm wrong, but so far, all you've done is state that something is so, because you say it is. Sorry, but I'm not convinced by that. Believe me, I'm not too proud to admit when I'm wrong, and in fact, will admit right now, that I'm am probably one of the least educated members of this forum in the fields that are largely discussed here. If someone provides a legitimate argument against what I believe, I will use it as a means to learn and better my knowledge.
  4. Too bad that's not how I defined Benjin's case.
  5. Sure pal, and maybe you should stop telling me what I'm doing. It's quite arrogant, and completely false. And I'm so sorry for questioning the all knowing Lancerman, who cant back up his argument with anything but, because I said so.
  6. @Ashes Of Westeros I just noticed that when I quoted @lancerman it inserted your name into the quote box. The forum must be acting up again.
  7. Yes, and Cercei also sent him a letter commanding him to return to KL.
  8. Really, so Tywin had no way of knowing that KL needed his support, or where it was?
  9. Right, I'm using what's stated in the definition to define the phrase, your the one making shit up and claiming that what you say is the true definition. Again, point to where the definition says , "Deus ex machina is literally meant to invoke a god mechanism that is completely inserted into the story without any way to know it exists." Get over yourself, you don't get to dictate what something means.
  10. What the hell are you talking about? Are you Lancerman? And I wasn't complaining about that. Try paying attention, this isn't Got, where you need to actively not pay attention for anything to make sense.
  11. Try reading my post again. That's not what I said. You conveniently left out the relevant portion of my comment. Lakes that do not freeze solid in a region of year round subarctic temperatures did not exist in the world of GoT until they were needed to save the protagonist from an unresolvable situation. As for Benjin, I agree with @Dolorous Gabe's interpretation. The definition does not indicate what you claim to be the meaning of new. Please point to where it says, "Deus ex machina is literally meant to invoke a god mechanism that is completely inserted into the story without any way to know it exists." All it say is "some new event, character, ability or object." As I said, he was newly introduced into the scene/ episode/season unexpectedly, and from out of nowhere. And you'll notice that it says "The term has evolved to mean..." Your literal translation and interpretation is not valid when discussing a deus ex machina as it is used in modern times.
  12. No it doesn't. It is a new revelation that ice does not freeze solid in sub arctic temperatures. It is also an object that was introduced just in the nick of time to save Jon and company. If in a prior episode or scene, they had shown the group traversing an area with lakes all around, covered with thin ice, you would have a case. Same with benjin, he was newly introduced to the scene, episode, and even season, just for the purpose of unexpectedly and implausibly showing up to save Jon from an unresolvable situation. Now if they had shown Benjin in a previous scene or episode in the same vicinity, or perhaps having a vision of Jon and company on their quest, then again, you might have a case. You are ignoring the entire definition, and focusing on, and blowing way out of proportion and context, one single word of the definition.
  13. @lancerman is wrong, those are both cases of deux ex machina. The fact that Benjin has no way of knowing that Jon is there, and in trouble, and just happens to show up at the right place and time to save him is a Deus ex machina. The fact that there just happens to be a lake with an island, right at the spot and time that the heroes need it to be to avoid certain death, with implausibly thin ice, is a deux ex machina. Deus ex machina (Latin: [ˈdeʊs ɛks ˈmaː.kʰɪ.naː]: /ˈdeɪ.əs ɛks ˈmɑːkiːnə/ or /ˈdiːəsɛks ˈmækɪnə/;[1] plural: dei ex machina) is a Latin calque from Greek ἀπὸ μηχανῆς θεός (apò mēkhanês theós), meaning 'god from the machine'.[2] The term has evolved to mean a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly resolved by the inspired and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability or object. Its function can be to resolve an otherwise irresolvable plot situation, to surprise the audience, to bring the tale to a happy ending, or act as a comedic device.
  14. I think the term your looking for is devil's advocate.
  15. And the ice situated in the freezing cold north conveniently breaking just after the m7 passed by and were about to be swarmed by an army of the undead. ...not that that should've worked as a Deus ex machina, as we later in the episode find out that wights in fact can scuba dive.